Future Free Agent Thread

[KqWIN]

If we're taking Tjones at face value, the Nets have Kyrie secured. With their second max, they are likely going for KD and if he says no they have Harris ready to sign. If Harris signs, Russell will have to be renounced. If Harris does not sign, the Jazz are said to be his next priority.

We're going to get our shot if Tjones is right.

I think this changes with the KD injury.

I don't think it changes, I just think it furthers the likelihood that Harris is the Net's second max and Russell becomes an UFA.

[KqWIN]

I'm having a hard time reconciling Harris or Love versus Mirotic. They are all very similar on the box score on a per minute basis. Mirotic is a +/- god, Love is also very good, and Harris is not as good as you would expect. Perhaps this has to do with the fact that Mirotic gets yanked whenever a disadvantageous matchup occurs...but I'm still not sure how much better, if at all, Love and Harris are than him.

[Luigi]

If we're taking Tjones at face value, the Nets have Kyrie secured. With their second max, they are likely going for KD and if he says no they have Harris ready to sign. If Harris signs, Russell will have to be renounced. If Harris does not sign, the Jazz are said to be his next priority.

We're going to get our shot if Tjones is right.

I think this changes with the KD injury.

I don't think it changes, I just think it furthers the likelihood that Harris is the Net's second max and Russell becomes an UFA.

I think it changes the probabilities a ton, based on a few interdependencies.

Before, we had some probability of Irving and Durant to the Nets, and then we have a shot at Harris or Russell. Backup was Irving and Harris to the Nets, and we have a shot at Russell. But surely the Nets were much more likely go go for the Durant option than the Harris one. Now, we start at the second option and lose the first entirely. I think that changes the probability space a lot.

Plus, in the new probability space, Irving might rather go to the Lakers. So our second pickings from the Nets are significantly less likely than they used to be.

[KqWIN]

I think this changes with the KD injury.

I don't think it changes, I just think it furthers the likelihood that Harris is the Net's second max and Russell becomes an UFA.

I think it changes the probabilities a ton, based on a few interdependencies.

Before, we had some probability of Irving and Durant to the Nets, and then we have a shot at Harris or Russell. Backup was Irving and Harris to the Nets, and we have a shot at Russell. But surely the Nets were much more likely go go for the Durant option than the Harris one. Now, we start at the second option and lose the first entirely. I think that changes the probability space a lot.

Plus, in the new probability space, Irving might rather go to the Lakers. So our second pickings from the Nets are significantly less likely than they used to be.

Yeah, like I said, I think this increases the chances that Harris is the Net's second max. Kyrie switching stances is interesting, but he seems locked in on BKN.

[KqWIN]

Russell is the opposite of a +/- god (+/- devil?).

18/19 pure RAPM - 199/503
16/19 multiyear pure RAPM - 576/744

nbashotcharts.com/rapm

Not good Bob...

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'm having a hard time reconciling Harris or Love versus Mirotic. They are all very similar on the box score on a per minute basis. Mirotic is a +/- god, Love is also very good, and Harris is not as good as you would expect. Perhaps this has to do with the fact that Mirotic gets yanked whenever a disadvantageous matchup occurs...but I'm still not sure how much better, if at all, Love and Harris are than him.

Just going off of the numbers, Tobias is not worth twice as much as Mirotic. While Tobias isn't a great defender either (probably somewhat better in space but worse in the paint), he does have more playmaking ability than Mirotic, IMO. However, you have to wonder with the system the Jazz have how much of a difference it would make as creating and making open outside shots is the bread and butter of it.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Russell is the opposite of a +/- god (+/- devil?).

18/19 pure RAPM - 199/503
16/19 multiyear pure RAPM - 576/744

nbashotcharts.com/rapm

Not good Bob...

With DLo, I think that the focus is on sharing the offensive load with DM, and hoping that Gobert's presence and perhaps some added motivation will make up for his past defensive deficiencies.

[KqWIN]

What surprises me with Tobias is that he isn't as high volume as you would think. Only 23% usage, about the same as Rubio. He would make everyone's life easier with spacing, being a threat, and not turning it over as much...but he's not reducing Donovan's load. He'll still have to have super usage and play a ton on the ball.

He's closer to a more efficient Jae Crowder than a Gordon Hayward, secondary playmaker type.

[KqWIN]

Gobert, Mitchell, and Ingles are core. Those three we can count on, or should I say we should count on. The other two players need to be +usage players. Even if you add a super usage guy like Russell, you're still going to want to add another +usage guy if you plan on competing with the best. There's just not going to be a lot of shots coming from Ingles and Gobert.

[Luigi]

Irving to the Nets seems like 100% now.

His new agent is ROC Nation Sports, owned by Jay Z.

Read on Twitter

Edit: wait, Jay Z sold ROC Nation... but there are a lot of Nets ties.

It does seem to mean Irving is gone from Boston 100%

[SoCalJazzFan]

Know who else ROC represents? KD.

[Luigi]

Know who else ROC represents? KD.

Maybe the little bros in big markets are finally taking over. Durant and Irving to Brooklyn, and Kawhi and Butler go to the Clippers.
Davis to Lakers. Walker to Knicks.

[Daddy 801]

What surprises me with Tobias is that he isn't as high volume as you would think. Only 23% usage, about the same as Rubio. He would make everyone's life easier with spacing, being a threat, and not turning it over as much...but he's not reducing Donovan's load. He'll still have to have super usage and play a ton on the ball.

He's closer to a more efficient Jae Crowder than a Gordon Hayward, secondary playmaker type.

The question is if he can handle a higher usage rate. His ability to run the pick and roll mixed with Quins system makes me think he could easily handle a higher rate. In fact I think that should be the major thing DL tells Harris. I think he had a legitimate chance of becoming an AllStar if he is on the Jazz.

[Luigi]

What surprises me with Tobias is that he isn't as high volume as you would think. Only 23% usage, about the same as Rubio. He would make everyone's life easier with spacing, being a threat, and not turning it over as much...but he's not reducing Donovan's load. He'll still have to have super usage and play a ton on the ball.

He's closer to a more efficient Jae Crowder than a Gordon Hayward, secondary playmaker type.

The question is if he can handle a higher usage rate. His ability to run the pick and roll mixed with Quins system makes me think he could easily handle a higher rate. In fact I think that should be the major thing DL tells Harris. I think he had a legitimate chance of becoming an AllStar if he is on the Jazz.

I agree with the usage % point. But unless we can get 3 all stars (probably be a top 2 team in the West), I don't think he's making the all star team. Or else he beats out Mitchell. But I think he's probably getting rest that weekend.

[Daddy 801]

I wish VanVleet was a free agent. Love his style of play. Hadn’t watched the Raps much this season until the finals and his play has been really good. If the Raps have to clear space I hope DL is on top of that.

[pickIBL]

Hubie brown gave van vleet the mvp. He was a big damn deal in that series for sure.

As for the Jazz they need that secondary scorer which is probably a PG or wing. I had been saying the only reason GS isnt unstoppable is the injury risk their players carry. And the long term injuries have piled up.

If the jazz can make a move this is their best chance to get out of the west.

[stitches]

Hubie brown gave van vleet the mvp. He was a big damn deal in that series for sure.

As for the Jazz they need that secondary scorer which is probably a PG or wing. I had been saying the only reason GS isnt unstoppable is the injury risk their players carry. And the long term injuries have piled up.

If the jazz can make a move this is their best chance to get out of the west.

PICKIBL!! Welcome back! Where have you been? Hope all is well with you...

also... you should drop some info in the draft prospects thread on the Euro prospects... Cheers.

[KqWIN]

What surprises me with Tobias is that he isn't as high volume as you would think. Only 23% usage, about the same as Rubio. He would make everyone's life easier with spacing, being a threat, and not turning it over as much...but he's not reducing Donovan's load. He'll still have to have super usage and play a ton on the ball.

He's closer to a more efficient Jae Crowder than a Gordon Hayward, secondary playmaker type.

The question is if he can handle a higher usage rate. His ability to run the pick and roll mixed with Quins system makes me think he could easily handle a higher rate. In fact I think that should be the major thing DL tells Harris. I think he had a legitimate chance of becoming an AllStar if he is on the Jazz.

I agree with the usage % point. But unless we can get 3 all stars (probably be a top 2 team in the West), I don't think he's making the all star team. Or else he beats out Mitchell. But I think he's probably getting rest that weekend.

IF Tobias signs here, he's going to need to scale up his usage in a big way. And maybe that's the selling point to him. We're going to put the ball in your hands and you're going shoot more than ever before.

I just think Tobias is overrated as an offensive player for what his body of work is. He was marginalized in Philly, but it's not like he was playing with superstars in LAC. Lou and Gallo were more important offensive players. Harrell arguably as well. He did not play like an all star and I'm not sure I would even call him a boarderline all star. Maybe in the East.

[Daddy 801]

The question is if he can handle a higher usage rate. His ability to run the pick and roll mixed with Quins system makes me think he could easily handle a higher rate. In fact I think that should be the major thing DL tells Harris. I think he had a legitimate chance of becoming an AllStar if he is on the Jazz.

I agree with the usage % point. But unless we can get 3 all stars (probably be a top 2 team in the West), I don't think he's making the all star team. Or else he beats out Mitchell. But I think he's probably getting rest that weekend.

IF Tobias signs here, he's going to need to scale up his usage in a big way. And maybe that's the selling point to him. We're going to put the ball in your hands and you're going shoot more than ever before.

I just think Tobias is overrated as an offensive player for what his body of work is. He was marginalized in Philly, but it's not like he was playing with superstars in LAC. Lou and Gallo were more important offensive players. Harrell arguably as well. He did not play like an all star and I'm not sure I would even call him a boarderline all star. Maybe in the East.

Is there a free agent (or Mike Conley) who you think would be a better offensive player the Jazz can sign?

[Luigi]

Is there a free agent (or Mike Conley) who you think would be a better offensive player the Jazz can sign?

For my money, it's Russell, Harris, Conley, Walker, in no particular order. We gotta make one of them happen.