2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[bwgood77]

Poll question for me goes

Ball
Beverly

Satoransky

Collison
Wright
Rubio
Jones

McConnell

I think that's about right. I might have Jones a couple spots higher. Satoransky long term might be better than Beverley, but Beverley would probably be higher impact this next year. So different reasoning for each.

I kind of find it improbably we end up with Ball or Satoransky since they would either need to be traded or not matched. Which brings us to Beverley and Collison. While I much prefer Beverley, I feel like if he can, he will try and stay in LA or a contender. But given all their young guards, it doesn't make sense for them to keep him if he wants more money. May depend on how they do in FA.

[bwgood77]

GS is going to be awful next year. They haven't had money to spend on anyone else. They're going to roll out Steph-McKinnie-Iggy-Draymond-Jones. That's rough. Klay, Cousins, Cook, and Bell are all UFA. They will have a little money without Durant and Klay on the books but you have to think they give Klay his $30M a year anyway and then that's a rap for their cap space.

Any lineup with Steph and Draymond will not be awful. Iggy still looked decent too. If they can keep Looney and one more shooter, they will be ok. But even without Klay they were hanging around in the finals. I think they'd still be in the lower tier playoff mix even without Klay and KD.

[bwgood77]

GS is going to be awful next year. They haven't had money to spend on anyone else. They're going to roll out Steph-McKinnie-Iggy-Draymond-Jones. That's rough. Klay, Cousins, Cook, and Bell are all UFA. They will have a little money without Durant and Klay on the books but you have to think they give Klay his $30M a year anyway and then that's a rap for their cap space.

2 Top Tier Free Agents that they would have loved to and done anything to try to keep are now going to miss what is most likely the entire season next year......and no one knows if they will ever be the players they once were when they do return from injury. So as GS, do you roll the dice and pay them....or even one of them, pretty much giving away $30M+ a season (for each) while they sit out the entire season, or do you not offer them a deal and be stuck with a shell of a former team......while also being known as the team who dropped a very loved player once they injured themselves and pretty much ruined the rest of their career trying to save the team from the brink of elimination?

YIKES!!!

BIG YIKES!!!

They are pretty screwed either way with whatever they do. I mean they almost HAVE TO let Klay and Durant walk in FA so they arnt saddled with one or both of the contracts while not knowing what the player will even look like when they return in the fall of 2020.

They should pay both. Definitely Klay. KD would still always be tradeable. Even if they renounce everyone including Livingston and McKinnie, let Klay and KD walk, they'd still only have $17 million in cap space. When you are THAT far over the cap, unless taxes are bothering you, you should keep everyone you think would have trade value.

[bwgood77]

Can't do 5 yr sign and trades anymore. There's no contractual advantage for the player or aquiring team in sign and trades in the new CBA, why you just don't see as many these days.

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True, and S&Ts have become more rare. The Top Tier players dont want 5 year deals anymore, they make more money with the 1+1 deals as they can get a higher dollar max deal every year instead of being on the 4th year of a deal which is paying them whatever the max was 4 years before when they signed the contract (Of course this excludes Supermax eligible players which is an entirely different scenario). Also with the short deals players have much more control of their situation (No trade clause or allow them to escape a sinking ship). Its usually the lesser players or injury risks or young guys that want the long term deals.

What would be a smart play is for the Sixers to go after Green, and if GS could get a S&T Tobias Harris (and a pick) it would probably be the smartest thing both teams and Harris could do.

That would be an excellent trade for both teams. Green on the Sixers would be an excellent fit. Warriors getting Harris would help for 2020/21 when Klay returns and even probably help the Warriors next year more than Green as he, Harris can score.

Millsap and Lowry got 90/3- is Green that amount of player?

Green would not fit the Sixers well. They already lack shooting. Draymond is a distributor, non shooter defensive guy like Simmons. There defense would be sick, but their spacing and offense would be pretty awful.

[bwgood77]

What do you guys even want in a PG?

I think

Pass First
Defensive minded is what we need.

I don't think scoring is my #1 concern for PG. If we don't have a PG who can set up Ayton. I think we failed moving forward.

I will still stand by Lonzo Ball . I hate his Dad but I think moving him out of the LA spotlight with Lebron. He will improve his shooting (yes FT shooting sucks) make him shoot 1000 balls a day over the summer. Develop his shot. If he had a shot he would be an all star in the future. I think he is better than any #6 we can get.

Defense, ability to hit the 3, and a good passer would be nice. But having a 3 ball would allow them to play on or off ball so when Book handled the ball the defenders don't sag off the PG to double Book. Ball was an ok 3 pt shooter last year despite the rep...about 33%...if he could up that a tad, that's fine.

[Wilber85]

What do you guys even want in a PG?

I think

Pass First
Defensive minded is what we need.

I don't think scoring is my #1 concern for PG. If we don't have a PG who can set up Ayton. I think we failed moving forward.

I will still stand by Lonzo Ball . I hate his Dad but I think moving him out of the LA spotlight with Lebron. He will improve his shooting (yes FT shooting sucks) make him shoot 1000 balls a day over the summer. Develop his shot. If he had a shot he would be an all star in the future. I think he is better than any #6 we can get.

Defense, ability to hit the 3, and a good passer would be nice. But having a 3 ball would allow them to play on or off ball so when Book handled the ball the defenders don't sag off the PG to double Book. Ball was an ok 3 pt shooter last year despite the rep...about 33%...if he could up that a tad, that's fine.

To be honest I want a PG. point book failed .

[bwgood77]

What do you guys even want in a PG?

I think

Pass First
Defensive minded is what we need.

I don't think scoring is my #1 concern for PG. If we don't have a PG who can set up Ayton. I think we failed moving forward.

I will still stand by Lonzo Ball . I hate his Dad but I think moving him out of the LA spotlight with Lebron. He will improve his shooting (yes FT shooting sucks) make him shoot 1000 balls a day over the summer. Develop his shot. If he had a shot he would be an all star in the future. I think he is better than any #6 we can get.

Defense, ability to hit the 3, and a good passer would be nice. But having a 3 ball would allow them to play on or off ball so when Book handled the ball the defenders don't sag off the PG to double Book. Ball was an ok 3 pt shooter last year despite the rep...about 33%...if he could up that a tad, that's fine.

To be honest I want a PG. point book failed .

Sure, most of us do. It's in his nature though. He will handle the ball a lot. He has high usage and can score efficiently, and has improved a lot as a distributor. But can't do it too much without other good options or he just gets trapped.

[Wilber85]

my question is what is beverly going to do that ball won't? Do you expect Beverly to make us a playoff team? I would go with youth in this case, and bring on Ball

[Wilber85]

Defense, ability to hit the 3, and a good passer would be nice. But having a 3 ball would allow them to play on or off ball so when Book handled the ball the defenders don't sag off the PG to double Book. Ball was an ok 3 pt shooter last year despite the rep...about 33%...if he could up that a tad, that's fine.

To be honest I want a PG. point book failed .

Sure, most of us do. It's in his nature though. He will handle the ball a lot. He has high usage and can score efficiently, and has improved a lot as a distributor. But can't do it too much without other good options or he just gets trapped.

he is also taking away from Ayton with the ball in his hand. Booker looks to score not help his teammates get better

[darealjuice]

To be honest I want a PG. point book failed .

Sure, most of us do. It's in his nature though. He will handle the ball a lot. He has high usage and can score efficiently, and has improved a lot as a distributor. But can't do it too much without other good options or he just gets trapped.

he is also taking away from Ayton with the ball in his hand. Booker looks to score not help his teammates get better

Lol

[carey]

he is also taking away from Ayton with the ball in his hand. Booker looks to score not help his teammates get better

This is just silly. Booker is a willing and capable passer. He'd have averaged nearly 10 assists if we had any shooting.

[LukasBMW]

We should get in on the AD sweepstakes.

GSW is down for at least a year, Houston has shown cracks, Denver is young and overrated, Portland is beatable.

Really my main concern is the Claw joining that scrappy Clippers team.

If the Claw stays east along with Kyrie, then the West looks open, ESPECIALLY when you factor in Booker/Oubre/Ayton improving.

If we can add AD and keep Booker/Oubre/Ayton, that's a solid core.

We should at least offer #6, TJ, our 2020 1st (top 4 protected,or it defaults to the Bucks pick), and filler.

Booker/AD/Ayton could be the next big 3. And if we keep Oubre and Bridges...wow.

[Flying Colors]

We should get in on the AD sweepstakes.

GSW is down for at least a year, Houston has shown cracks, Denver is young and overrated, Portland is beatable.

Really my main concern is the Claw joining that scrappy Clippers team.

If the Claw stays east along with Kyrie, then the West looks open, ESPECIALLY when you factor in Booker/Oubre/Ayton improving.

If we can add AD and keep Booker/Oubre/Ayton, that's a solid core.

We should at least offer #6, TJ, our 2020 1st (top 4 protected,or it defaults to the Bucks pick), and filler.

Booker/AD/Ayton could be the next big 3. And if we keep Oubre and Bridges...wow.

If thats all it took, then I’d make that deal for sure. I don’t mind that gamble at all. Even if AD left, If he helped get us a ring, I would not be angry

[WeekapaugGroove]

We should get in on the AD sweepstakes.

GSW is down for at least a year, Houston has shown cracks, Denver is young and overrated, Portland is beatable.

Really my main concern is the Claw joining that scrappy Clippers team.

If the Claw stays east along with Kyrie, then the West looks open, ESPECIALLY when you factor in Booker/Oubre/Ayton improving.

If we can add AD and keep Booker/Oubre/Ayton, that's a solid core.

We should at least offer #6, TJ, our 2020 1st (top 4 protected,or it defaults to the Bucks pick), and filler.

Booker/AD/Ayton could be the next big 3. And if we keep Oubre and Bridges...wow.

If thats all it took, then I’d make that deal for sure. I don’t mind that gamble at all. Even if AD left, If he helped get us a ring, I would not be angry

If that's all it took I'd do the deal and trade him a week later for more

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[Kerrsed]

What do you guys even want in a PG?

I think

Pass First
Defensive minded is what we need.

I don't think scoring is my #1 concern for PG. If we don't have a PG who can set up Ayton. I think we failed moving forward.

I will still stand by Lonzo Ball . I hate his Dad but I think moving him out of the LA spotlight with Lebron. He will improve his shooting (yes FT shooting sucks) make him shoot 1000 balls a day over the summer. Develop his shot. If he had a shot he would be an all star in the future. I think he is better than any #6 we can get.

Its hard.

I agree with the FO that a good combo guard is the way to go. Booker is too good to take the ball out of his hands all game. he is a SG that can average 7 assists a game if need be, but Bookers also smart and a lot of that come from him reading the situation and doing what he can with it, and for that he needs the ball. You take a guy like Ball or even Rubio and to a certain extent Simmons and the moment they dont have the ball in their hand they become pretty useless. Look how bad Ball looked when Lebron joined the team and he was controlling the ball around 50% of the time. Defenses would slack off Ball and were afforded the luxury of double teaming someone else. Simmons was major exposed this year because of the same thing. If you cant hit a shot then you cant be on the court.

So you grab a guy like PatBev. He can score if need be, he can hit the 3, and he can defend. The ball can be out his or Booker hands and they can still produce and not become just a useless player running around the court unguarded. If the player is a threat to hit a shot or score then he will always be guarded.

So grab a good combo guard that can defend, and honestly PatBev is the best available that can fill those roles. Now would he want to come here is an entirely different question.

[KLEON]

Can you imagine Booker and Klay playing on the same team,my God I wish it could happen

[WeekapaugGroove]

What do you guys even want in a PG?

I think

Pass First
Defensive minded is what we need.

I don't think scoring is my #1 concern for PG. If we don't have a PG who can set up Ayton. I think we failed moving forward.

I will still stand by Lonzo Ball . I hate his Dad but I think moving him out of the LA spotlight with Lebron. He will improve his shooting (yes FT shooting sucks) make him shoot 1000 balls a day over the summer. Develop his shot. If he had a shot he would be an all star in the future. I think he is better than any #6 we can get.

Its hard.

I agree with the FO that a good combo guard is the way to go. Booker is too good to take the ball out of his hands all game. he is a SG that can average 7 assists a game if need be, but Bookers also smart and a lot of that come from him reading the situation and doing what he can with it, and for that he needs the ball. You take a guy like Ball or even Rubio and to a certain extent Simmons and the moment they dont have the ball in their hand they become pretty useless. Look how bad Ball looked when Lebron joined the team and he was controlling the ball around 50% of the time. Defenses would slack off Ball and were afforded the luxury of double teaming someone else. Simmons was major exposed this year because of the same thing. If you cant hit a shot then you cant be on the court.

So you grab a guy like PatBev. He can score if need be, he can hit the 3, and he can defend. The ball can be out his or Booker hands and they can still produce and not become just a useless player running around the court unguarded. If the player is a threat to hit a shot or score then he will always be guarded.

So grab a good combo guard that can defend, and honestly PatBev is the best available that can fill those roles. Now would he want to come here is an entirely different question.

All true. I'd add it also would hurt Ayton to have a non shooter at the point. The guy guarding the PG can cheat down and double when Ayton gets the ball making his life harder.

Now I will say a lot of this is more of a problem in the playoffs than the regular season. In the playoffs you face good smart defenses who can really focus in on a weak spot over multiple games. Having any competent PG would help them win some more games so it's not the end of the world if they signed a stop gap non shooter just to get a little better.

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[BobbieL]

What do you guys even want in a PG?

I think

Pass First
Defensive minded is what we need.

I don't think scoring is my #1 concern for PG. If we don't have a PG who can set up Ayton. I think we failed moving forward.

I will still stand by Lonzo Ball . I hate his Dad but I think moving him out of the LA spotlight with Lebron. He will improve his shooting (yes FT shooting sucks) make him shoot 1000 balls a day over the summer. Develop his shot. If he had a shot he would be an all star in the future. I think he is better than any #6 we can get.

Its hard.

I agree with the FO that a good combo guard is the way to go. Booker is too good to take the ball out of his hands all game. he is a SG that can average 7 assists a game if need be, but Bookers also smart and a lot of that come from him reading the situation and doing what he can with it, and for that he needs the ball. You take a guy like Ball or even Rubio and to a certain extent Simmons and the moment they dont have the ball in their hand they become pretty useless. Look how bad Ball looked when Lebron joined the team and he was controlling the ball around 50% of the time. Defenses would slack off Ball and were afforded the luxury of double teaming someone else. Simmons was major exposed this year because of the same thing. If you cant hit a shot then you cant be on the court.

So you grab a guy like PatBev. He can score if need be, he can hit the 3, and he can defend. The ball can be out his or Booker hands and they can still produce and not become just a useless player running around the court unguarded. If the player is a threat to hit a shot or score then he will always be guarded.

So grab a good combo guard that can defend, and honestly PatBev is the best available that can fill those roles. Now would he want to come here is an entirely different question.

I forgot the amount but by NBA standards, PatBev has not made a lot of money. For instance, Lowry signed a 4/48 ETO 3 the same summer Bledsoe signed his 5/70 deal. Lowry opted out and signed a 100/3. So basically over 6 years, Lowry will have made 136

Pat Bev is not close to that in lifetime earnings. Heck this deal was 2/10 or so. So if the Suns offer a bit more - nothing crazy- he might be willing to go to Phoenix. And hopefully this wouldn't Tyson Chandler or Ariza all over again.


I like the idea of Ball still. Young guy - can grow with the players. Improve the shot a bit - wouldn't be the first player who needed that. But can defend and pass. Add a PF like Thad Young though Looney was playing well with the WArriors (so they probably overpay to keep him)

[Slim Charless]

He keeps referring to Toronto as “they”.

Yeah there's a lot of "them" and "the raptors", then he quickly corrects it to "us" lol

And if I am the RAptors - I really don't care if he leaves or not. He got thema title.

(granted, easy for me to say as a bystander but really - they got a championship - if he wants to leave - look at at that trophy and smile )

If he does leave we should make a play for Lowry. Championship pedegree and a professional player who does a lot of things right-things that a young team like ours could learn from. He could teach Okobo and Melton a thing or 2. Raps will probably wanna rebuild around Pasqual if Kawahi leaves so maybe Tyler Johnson, MIL pick and another pick maybe can get it done...?

[BobbieL]

Yeah there's a lot of "them" and "the raptors", then he quickly corrects it to "us" lol

And if I am the RAptors - I really don't care if he leaves or not. He got thema title.

(granted, easy for me to say as a bystander but really - they got a championship - if he wants to leave - look at at that trophy and smile )

If he does leave we should make a play for Lowry. Championship pedegree and a professional player who does a lot of things right-things that a young team like ours could learn from. He could teach Okobo and Melton a thing or 2. Raps will probably wanna rebuild around Pasqual if Kawahi leaves so maybe Tyler Johnson, MIL pick and another pick maybe can get it done...?

I did read an article, the guy from the Athletic who covers the Raptors and he did mention if Kawhi leaves - they may want to rebuild around FVV and Siakam. Knowing the Gasol and Ibaka would be FA in 2020 - get boat loads of cap space that summer Your trade - for cap would probably need to be Tyler Johnson, Okobo or Melton, Bucks pick and Josh. But the guy is a solid leader, tough little player. Like him a lot. Giving up Tyler though - but Lowry might be good for the Suns. Still prefer a scenario where the Suns keep Tyler or Warren - but understand - things need to happen/