Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

[Jakeopp]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

Why would anyone trade Clint Capela for Scary Terry

[Celtics_Champs]

Alright come on come on. The season ended like 14 hours ago. Let’s get this new season moving, Griffen. Trade AD somewhere already.

[The Corey's]

If he **** around and waits too long then hes gonna bone him self like pop did with Leonard.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

The report is that we would've paid dearly in the form of Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart.

BTW, nobody ever blames Ainge for anything. No accountability whatsoever.

Hold yourself accountable first and try to at least understand why the move wasn't made (HINT: THIS WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT HIM).

That makes no sense. You could trade for AD without Brown and Smart.

Ok. So what are you giving up then? Assuming that we sent Brown and Smart away of course.

[Afam]

This thread is about to reach 100 pages. Unreal. That was quick.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

You might have enough wiggle room to keep Morris with Bird rights, maybe on a fat one year deal, give the 10 million a year MLE to Ricky Rubio, who’s being drastically underrated -

Rubio/Smart
Jaylen/rookie and/or vet minimum
Hayward/Tatum*
Horford/Morris
Capela/Baynes/Williams

*Tatum would be the sixth man, backing up the 2, 3 and 4 as the lead bench scorer..

[MagicBagley18]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

You might have enough wiggle room to keep Morris with Bird rights, maybe on a fat one year deal, give the 10 million a year MLE to Ricky Rubio, who’s being drastically underrated -

Rubio/Smart
Jaylen/rookie and/or vet minimum
Hayward/Tatum*
Horford/Morris
Capela/Baynes/Williams

*Tatum would be the sixth man, backing up the 2, 3 and 4 as the lead bench scorer..

good stuff with the cap as always man. if that is the scenario id rather strip it all down and build around tatum and brown and let gordo build his value up if possible and trade him. i have no interest being a perennial 6-8 seed.

[GoCeltics123]

We need a ddb post too. Need his insight into these negotiations.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Horford for Capela/Gordon also makes a lot of sense as a preemptive move if Al opts in or does a sign and trade.. Gordon is flawed but brings some scoring punch, fills in if Jaylen is traded in an AD deal..

maybe Kyrie, DAR, or MLE point guard/Rozier
Eric Gordon/Rozier x 2
Hayward/three-position sixth man Tatum
Davis/Morris
Capela/Baynes

[Afam]

Maybe the next AD thread can be only AD related news or at least most of it. If not the thread is going to reach 100 very quickly. Just a suggestion.

[sportfan6197]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

No chance for terry, but i think marcus morris and one of the earlier firsts is intruiging.

He very much fits the bill for what they're looking for. He can space the floor, defend multiple positons, and even create his own shot off busted plays by Harden/Paul.

Only problem is Houston severely lacks a center

I kept thinking of three team scenarios sending Morris to Houston, #14 and Bob Williams somewhere, and Capela to Boston. The third team sends a big man spacer to houston. Olynyk is an interesting fit but doesnt work salary wise unless they add gordon which wouldn't make sense.

Crowder, Ilyasova, Bertans?

Actually maybe Dwight Powell? Analytics are quite favorable so Morey would like it.

Powell, Morris to Houston for , Dallas gets another pick and Bob Williams, Boston gets Capela?

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

You might have enough wiggle room to keep Morris with Bird rights, maybe on a fat one year deal, give the 10 million a year MLE to Ricky Rubio, who’s being drastically underrated -

Rubio/Smart
Jaylen/rookie and/or vet minimum
Hayward/Tatum*
Horford/Morris
Capela/Baynes/Williams

*Tatum would be the sixth man, backing up the 2, 3 and 4 as the lead bench scorer..

good stuff with the cap as always man. if that is the scenario id rather strip it all down and build around tatum and brown and let gordo build his value up if possible and trade him. i have no interest being a perennial 6-8 seed.

Don’t quote me on the cap stuff, I ballpark the math.. that scenario needs Horford to sign for about 20 million, and I’m not one hundred percent sure we’d be far enough under the cap to pay Rozier’s raise without BYC issues. Or at least, we might need to renounce Morris, or trade Yabu’s money..

[soxfan2003]

Hold yourself accountable first and try to at least understand why the move wasn't made (HINT: THIS WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT HIM).

This is why I'm giving him a pass on that. However, if he passed on leonard just so he could get AD.......and then he doesn't get AD.........I mean.... He might deserve just a liiiiiiiiitle bit of criticism at that point.

But there are human beings involved. This is stupid. Leonard wasn't willing to make any kind of commitment to Boston long term or put them on his "list" and either is Davis. Kyrie wanted to come here and had two years on his deal and it looks like he is bolting. I am not saying you can't trade for a guy in that situation it just has a price like everything in life. The price I am willing to pay for one year of Anthony Davis is not Jayson Tatum bottom line.

The mistake Ainge made and should be criticized for his trading for Irving. He was wrong on his knee and his head and his fit with this team. He blew a lottery pick that could have been Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in the trade.

Hope for the best but plan for the worst. If you make the Davis trade it is with the expectation that he is in LAL, BRK, or NYK in a year, where are the Celts then? TOR made its deal because they will have to revamp their roster either way if Leonard stays they can stick with the veterans they have acquired if he leaves they will sell off and rebuild. Boston is already rebuilt you don't scrap it for a one flyer. It is lazy, stupid and foolish. We have just watched star after star scratch one year off their careers and contracts in this past week. Beyond that we have watched them pay little consequence financially for it happening. They are going to get 5 year max deals while they rehab. What makes it so Davis doesn't feel a little something in his knee that he needs to sit out for? Load management like 40 games worth.

I am not a huge Irving fan. But Irving has proven in the right circucmstance at least, he can be a key piece to a championship team.

The mistake Ainge made was trading for Irving with no real plans to "go for it" while Irving was on a relatively cheap contract.

Irving at an average of 38 million a year heading into his 30's is a meh to bad value/risk giving his injury concern/ability level and the expected cap.

Kyrie Irving these past two years was on a very good to excellent contract. Celtics didn't take advantage of it.

If I am Irving and I see Ainge/Wyc not going for it this year, I actually want to leave.

This whole notion that Ainge traded for Irving to wait for AD is just complete ******** as far as I am concern. It would also be incredibly stupid by Ainge since imagine if Cousins hadn't gotten hurt, maybe AD stays with Pelicans. AD was NOT a KG type situation where you 100% knew that going forward that his team would have to trade him or just accept losing. MN lost a bunch of picks from that Joe Smith fiasco.

Kyrie to possibly lure KD I can see but even that is questionable given the situation at the time.

I realize Hayward's injury derailed first season but this past year, why not go for it?

When fans criticized Ainge for not paying a high price for Jimmy Butler, I supported Ainge even though I like Butler as a player.

But at a certain point, you either need to
1) go for it.
2) take a step back to better position to go for it in the future.

Kyrie at 38 million on average a year is not a bargain at all.

I have said this before but teams usually win championships by having players collectively outproduce their contracts.

So, let's take a look at Toronto.
Lowry -- pretty much lived up to his expensive contract... +- he did very well this year.
Green -- at least lived up to his contract and good fit with team... Probably outplayed it by a modest amount.
Leonard -- probably played like a 45 million a year player... he was making 23 million
Siakam -- probably outproduced his rookie contract by 20+ million
Gasol -- not worth his expensive contract but still a legit 20+ million a year contributor...
VanVleet -- outproduced his contract...
Ibaka -- probably overpaid by 3-4 million....

So Raptors had a very high payroll combined with players outproducing their contracts by perhaps 30-35+ million. That is often a championship formula.....

Where the Celtics are hurt....Kyrie is probably overpaid by 3-4 million in a typical good season if Celtics sign him... AD won't wave his trade kicker to go to Boston so collective Irving and Davis probably only outproduce their contracts by a maximum of 15 million....

Hayward may produce at a 25 million dollar a year level next year but probably won't live up to his contract next year.
Horford looks to be a little overpaid for what he will deliver next year unless he redoes his deal.

Someone like Tatum is capable in right situation of outproducing his contract by 20 million next year and Smart can outproduce his deal by 6-7 in a good year but those players may be gone..... If Tatum stays, hard for Hayward to even produce as a 25 million a year player since Hayward's best position is SF. Same goes for Tatum.

I point this all out to say Ainge has a very narrow path to a championship next year. His best path may be trading Tatum, filler and not much else for AD and having Wyc extend financially. It is helped by Warriors injuries and Leonard possibly leaving....

But players like Yabs not looking like much really hurts big time right now. Williams may be good but still an unknown.

The championship with KG/PP/RA was also paved by not just KG/PP outproducing their deals but Perkins/Rondo as well. And Celtics spending a good deal of money.

Ainge has his work cut out for him if he want to go for banner #18 next year. It won't be easy and he may need to have a draft pick or two that Boston keeps to actually come through right away.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

No chance for terry, but i think marcus morris and one of the earlier firsts is intruiging.

He very much fits the bill for what they're looking for. He can space the floor, defend multiple positons, and even create his own shot off busted plays by Harden/Paul.

Only problem is Houston severely lacks a center

I kept thinking of three team scenarios sending Morris to Houston, #14 and Bob Williams somewhere, and Capela to Boston. The third team sends a big man spacer to houston. Olynyk is an interesting fit but doesnt work salary wise unless they add gordon which wouldn't make sense.

Crowder, Ilyasova, Bertans?

Actually maybe Dwight Powell? Analytics are quite favorable so Morey would like it.

Powell, Morris to Houston for , Dallas gets another pick and Bob Williams, Boston gets Capela?

Why no chance for Rozier?

It’s possible Houston thinks they can get bigs in free agency or a separate trade..

Powell opted out, it’d have to be a three-team double sign and trade deal..

[fallguy]

On my deathbed I am going to be either disgusted or curiously heartened at all the time I spent on this board talking to you people about trades and rumors that never came true.

[djFan71]

If Kyrie walks and Horford takes enough of a pay cut, we could have room to sign and trade Rozier to Houston for Capela.. not sure if we’d have to renounce Morris to do it, but 13-14 million for Rozier matches salary - or make it Rozier at 11 million and Theis at 3.. that screams Ainge/Morey trade to me and makes more sense than any of the other options, like Smart/Jaylen for Capela..

No chance for terry, but i think marcus morris and one of the earlier firsts is intruiging.

He very much fits the bill for what they're looking for. He can space the floor, defend multiple positons, and even create his own shot off busted plays by Harden/Paul.

Only problem is Houston severely lacks a center

I kept thinking of three team scenarios sending Morris to Houston, #14 and Bob Williams somewhere, and Capela to Boston. The third team sends a big man spacer to houston. Olynyk is an interesting fit but doesnt work salary wise unless they add gordon which wouldn't make sense.

Crowder, Ilyasova, Bertans?

Actually maybe Dwight Powell? Analytics are quite favorable so Morey would like it.

Powell, Morris to Houston for , Dallas gets another pick and Bob Williams, Boston gets Capela?

Was just about to post something very similar. Morris makes a lot more sense to me for HOU than Terry.
I've always liked Ilyasova @ $7M. With MIL needing to go deep tax to resign their guys, he could be available. Or, they keep him cheap and let someone else go.

[Bar Fight]

This thread is about to reach 100 pages. Unreal. That was quick.

I much preferred #7 if I'm being honest.

[FlatearthZorro]

Anything new?

[JR Hawks]

Hold yourself accountable first and try to at least understand why the move wasn't made (HINT: THIS WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT HIM).

That makes no sense. You could trade for AD without Brown and Smart.

Ok. So what are you giving up then? Assuming that we sent Brown and Smart away of course.

Tatum and salary (current or re-signed).