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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#21 » by shza » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:58 pm

Candoni wrote:Get ready for a 380 million dollar payroll with the repeat luxury tax penalty.

Light years?


^^^This dude's whole (all very recent) post history is nothing but trolling the Warriors ("Klay deserved to get his hamstring injury because he flopped"; "Hopefully no one will claim Curry is a top 10 player anymore"; "Cousins will be in China in 2 years"). No need to engage.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#22 » by xdrta+ » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 pm

lolathon234 wrote:So with both KD and Klay's injuries, assuming they're resigned, the Warriors should have $18.5 million in cap space as they'll be eligible for 2 Disabled Player Exemptions, each worth the MLE which is projected to be $9,246,000. They can use be used to sign free agents or in a trade as a salary filler


Exceptions can't be used as salary filler, if that's what you mean. And there's nothing automatic about the DPE, the team has to apply and qualify--don't know about KD, but I doubt NBA doctors would determine that Klay wouldn't be able to play before June 15.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#23 » by BayArea408415 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:38 pm

So, to tank or not to tank and try for a 6-8 seed? That is the question. Klay should be back right before the playoffs start but KD is unlikely. Really curious to see how this off-season goes. Should be interesting. Just want to see Klay inked ASAP and see where it goes from there.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#24 » by RussellandFlow » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:46 pm

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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#25 » by HiRez » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:05 am

Can we even afford the cap hit/tax for a high draft pick? Our #28 pick this year is $1.6M in the first year, the #6 pick this year is $4.8M (and I'm guessing higher next year).
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#26 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:07 am

Candoni wrote:Get ready for a 380 million dollar payroll with the repeat luxury tax penalty.

Light years?


can you walk us thru how you got that 380mil figure?
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#27 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:16 am

Let Boogie/Bell/Cook/McKinnie/Jerebko go

Livingston is retiring

Offer Klay/KD full 5 year max

resign Looney

assuming Klay/KD resign, we'd have

Steph
Evans
Iguodala
Draymond
Looney/Jones

with Klay/KD on rehab

how many exceptions do we get? we'd have the tax payer MLE...do we get any othjer injury exceptions? just brutal.

it's essentially a throwaway year with that roster...I still think Steph/Dray can get us to the POs but do we even want them expending that much energy?
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#28 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:04 am

clyde21 wrote:Let Boogie/Bell/Cook/McKinnie/Jerebko go

Livingston is retiring

Offer Klay/KD full 5 year max

resign Looney

assuming Klay/KD resign, we'd have

Steph
Evans
Iguodala
Draymond
Jones

with Klay/KD on rehab

how many exceptions do we get? we'd have the tax payer MLE...do we get any othjer injury exceptions? just brutal.

it's essentially a throwaway year with that roster...I still think Steph/Dray can get us to the POs but do we even want them expending that much energy?


They can apply for DPEs for the two injuries, they could probably get one for Durant, worth $9M, they can use to sign or trade for one player. Other than that it's all minimum salary exceptions.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#29 » by Candoni » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:22 am

clyde21 wrote:
Candoni wrote:Get ready for a 380 million dollar payroll with the repeat luxury tax penalty.

Light years?


can you walk us thru how you got that 380mil figure?



The NBA's salary cap will reportedly be set at $109 million for the 2019-20 season.
The luxury tax for that season will reportedly be set at $132 million.

Klay signs a 5 year 190 million deal -34 million first year
KD signs a 5 year 220 million deal -37 million first year
Curry is at 40
Team option on Livingston for 7.7
Dray at 18.5
Iggy at 17
Bring back Cousins at 6
Jerebko, Looney, Cook, Mckinnie, Evans, Bell Jones and a FRP, all for 18

That comes to 178.2 million for 15 players with a 46 million penalty



Amount over tax threshold Repeat offender
$4,999,999 or less x $2.50 12.5
$5 million to $9,999,999 x $2.75 13.25
$10 million to $14,999,999 x $3.50 17.5
$15 million to $19,999,999 x $4.25 21
20-25 x $4.75 23.75
25-30 x 5.25 26.25
30-35 x 5.75 28.75
35-40 x 6.25 31.25
40-45 x 6.75 33.75
45-46 x 7.25 7.25

That's a 210 million penalty
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178 million dollar salary

That adds up to 388 million

I rounded down to $380 million because I think they might not resign jerebko and I think a DPE cuts them a little slack.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#30 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 am

Candoni wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Candoni wrote:Get ready for a 380 million dollar payroll with the repeat luxury tax penalty.

Light years?


can you walk us thru how you got that 380mil figure?



The NBA's salary cap will reportedly be set at $109 million for the 2019-20 season. The NBA informed teams that the salary cap for the 2019-20 season will bet set at $109 million, according to The Athletic's Shams Charania. The luxury tax for that season will reportedly be set at $132 million.

Klay signs a 5 year 190 million deal -34 million first year
KD signs a 5 year 220 million deal -37 million first year
Curry is at 40
Team option on Livingston for 7.7
Dray at 18.5
Iggy at 17
Bring back Cousins at 6
Jerebko, Looney, Cook, Mckinnie, Evans, Bell Jones and a FRP, all for 18

That comes to 178.2 million for 15 players with a 46 million penalty



Amount over tax threshold Repeat offender
$4,999,999 or less x $2.50 12.5
$5 million to $9,999,999 x $2.75 13.25
$10 million to $14,999,999 x $3.50 17.5
$15 million to $19,999,999 x $4.25 21
20-25 x $4.75 23.75
25-30 x 5.25 26.25
30-35 x 5.75 28.75
35-40 x 6.25 31.25
40-45 x 6.75 33.75
45-46 x 7.25 7.25

That's a 210 million penalty
+
178 million dollar salary

That adds up to 388 million

I rounded down to $380 million because I think they might not resign jerebko and I think a DPE cuts them a little slack.


Livingston is retiring, so that 7.7mil drops to 2mil.

Boogie is not coming back, scrap that 6mil and give it to Looney instead most likely.

that gives us:

Steph - 40.2
KD - 37.8
Klay - 32.4
Dray - 18.5
Iggy - 17.1
Looney - 6.0
MLE - 5.6
Jones - 2.3
Evans - 1.9
FRP - 1.9
McKinnie - 1.5 (non guaranteed)

+2 min roster charges.

that gives a payroll of 163mil with a 109 tax charge.

= 272mil
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#31 » by marthafokker » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:29 am

Why pick up Livingston's option? Make no sense.

And drop every FA outside of Looney for college rookie as cheap pieces.

Chase Center rolling in money. One year hit for bad product.... Who cares. Those luxury boxes and PSL are paid for this salary math.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#32 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:46 am

Actually, the DPE boosts it up adding $9M to team salary. $380 is pretty close, this site projects about $340, bringing everyone back, waiving and stretching Livingston.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#33 » by Phase 3 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:57 am

I’d seriously consider what Livingston and/or Iguodala can fetch in a trade given their age and next season being a throwaway year.

Maybe check in on guys who are talented but their value is low right now....Andrew Wiggins, Gordon Hayward, ect.

Warriors could offer a team a way to get out of those contracts. Just a thought.

I’ve never wanted to trade Iguodala but it might be a good time to do so given next year being lost and the fact that Iguodala will be turning 37 the next time the Warriors are healthy enough to contend for a title(20-21).
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#34 » by floppymoose » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:02 am

Candoni wrote:Get ready for a 380 million dollar payroll with the repeat luxury tax penalty.
Light years?


I figured you'd pop in.

Candoni wrote:Klay sticking his leg out caused the contact and caused the injury.

Be aware you won't be able to spread falsehoods like the above one very long in this forum.
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Post#35 » by chef_martin » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:15 am

2019-2020 has to be seen as a developmental year for our young players. I'm not a huge fan of Jordan Bell, Damian Jones, Jacob Evans, or Alfonzo McKinnie but I think one of those 4 has to be a significant part of the playoff rotation (think Looney/West/prime Livingston) if we want to make a championship run in 2020-2021. I'd also try to take risks on some potential 3+D wings on the minimum like Davon Reed, Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja, or Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot because we really need competent wing depth. In regards to the 2019 1st round pick, I believe we can take a prospect who wouldn't have been a contributor to this team if we were fully healthy and give that player significant minutes to quicken their development time, so that he could be a contributor down the road.

I'd explore trading Iguodala for 3 reasons. He's likely to be a non-factor for this team in 2019-2020, and could theoretically be easily signed in 2020-2021 (at age 37) with tax-payer MLE. In addition, he would fetch a decently high price as a 1-year rental to a team like Portland who not only needs a elite level defender and solid shooter, but could also have a championship window in 2019-2020. Finally if Kevin Durant does re-sign, trading Iguodala straight into another team's cap space would save us $100+ million in combined salary/luxury taxes. On the other hand, if Kevin Durant does leave, trading Iguodala would put us below the luxury tax threshold and give us a breather from the repeater tax until 2021-2022.

As far as other moves go, we should try to waive and then re-sign Livingston on the minimum as an emergency backup depth piece and solid veteran presence on the team. I also believe that we should view next year's exceptions as trade assets. If the DPE does get approved, its still only a 1-year contract, but could be valuable as a trade piece near the deadline like Trevor Ariza was to the Suns. With the tax-payer MLE, we could do something similar or try for a 2 year contract with a potential playoff rotation piece.

The trade assets from the potential Iguodala trade and DPE trade should be more focused on getting value during the 2020-2021 season. For that reason, I'd rather us get a 2021 first round pick instead of a 2020 first round pick, since in 2020-2021 we could potentially make a trade deadline deal instead of picking a player who probably won't be a playoff contributor in the 2020 draft. I'd also be wary of taking on bad money beyond the 2019-2020 season, since we would be a luxury tax team and it would give us 1 less roster spot to work with.

Anyway those are my thoughts on this situation we find ourselves in. I'm still optimistic on being a contender in 2020-2021 and maybe beyond.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#36 » by chef_martin » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:43 am

I forgot to mention one thing. Everyone who plays next year needs to shoot the 3. That includes Draymond, Looney, Bell, Damian Jones, etc. We need to see if they can shoot, because that changes everything.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#37 » by jamesnamida » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:08 am

Didn’t bob say to iggy he will be back only if we win?
I love his D and passing/cutting, but he’s going to be even worse on offense next year.
Livingston definitely needs to retire. Love him but he has nothing left. His skill set is outdated.
I would honestly scour the G league to death for cheap guys who can shoot and defend with size while in the free agent market. Some youth is needed. Need one stretch five to add to the center position of looney and Jones.
McKinnie can come back if klay becomes his shooting coach all summer.

Pretty sure KD is gone and if he is, I said it before, dangle draymond to see if there’s a good deal.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#38 » by East Bay Sports » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:27 am

lolathon234 wrote:So with both KD and Klay's injuries, assuming they're resigned, the Warriors should have $18.5 million in cap space as they'll be eligible for 2 Disabled Player Exemptions, each worth the MLE which is projected to be $9,246,000. They can use be used to sign free agents or in a trade as a salary filler

We only get the player exemptions if they are disabled for the entire season. Likely for KD, but Klay could be back.
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Re: Official offseason, summer of 2019 

Post#39 » by DAWill1128 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:37 am

I wouldn't mind tanking, reason being we could get a stud and dominate the rest of the duration of KD and Klays deals.

If we got a quick guard they could really attack the paint and open up shots for our shooters, what Rondo did for the Celtics big 3.

Or even a good all around 3 and D wing to replace Iggy and take the tough assignments on defense.

If we make the playoffs and give it a shot in the playoffs without KD than that's great. If they lose then it's not a huge deal, we just draft in the lottery while having 4 all-stars.

Either way next year is a young player development year. We just have to have a good eye for guys with potential who haven't gotten a shot, what the Nets did.

I think we can setup nicely to ride out the next
5 years.
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Post#40 » by wco81 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:45 am

Problem with getting rid of Iggy and Livingston is that it just saves luxury tax money, not improve the team.

They won't easily find replacements who could play key minutes. Dumping salary is just part of a tank.

Even if the savings on their salaries could be rolled over into enough space, as soon as they sign Draymond, they won't have space again.

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