2019 NBA draft part deux

[Slim Tubby]

Clarke has no skill, if you think he’s a sure thing @ 11 you’re a moron. Literally all the ppl he’s compared to we’re diamond in the rough 2nd round picks that usually wouldn’t work out 97% of the time; now you want to waste a lotto on that?

I'm sick of your crap on this board and your insulting of fellow Wolves fans. Your behavior and grammar is that of a bratty 10 year old. If you can't debate and discuss different ideas with the rest of the board in a civil and respectful way then I'd encourage you to make yourself invisible, grab some tissues and lube, and hide out in your parents' basement.


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[Slim Tubby]

People only think clarke can come in and play right away because he’s freaking old compared to the other guys in the draft lol

IMO that's the complete opposite. He has the least upside, but the most ready now player to contribute based on the guys that are in our range. Doumbouya has the most upside based on his age and where his skill set is as a 6'9 guy.

Clarke's position is still unknown in the NBA unless he plays 3 and small ball 4. Also, Sekou is almost 5 years younger than Clarke but already at least 15 lbs heavier

People with any intelligence know he can come in and play right away because he was one of the two best players in college ball last year. Incredible defender, excellent rebounder, and very efficient on offense at medium high usage with a nice jump shot. Nothing not to like unless you get all bent out of shape about him not being long enough or a 3 point shooter.

I'm sold on Clarke after being skeptical at first. His offensive game reminds me of a more athletic Taj Gibson for lack of a better comparison. His defense is where he will contribute right away. Denver fans seem to be begging for Clarke on the General Boards.


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[GeekFreak]

I'm not sure why everyone's getting out their tissues and lube over Clarke? Yeah he's like Taj Gibson .....if you cut off 7 inches of Taj's arms.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Only way Taj and Clarke are similar is in that neither is a stretch 4. They don't play alike.

[Crazy-Canuck]

People only think clarke can come in and play right away because he’s freaking old compared to the other guys in the draft lol

People with any intelligence know he can come in and play right away because he was one of the two best players in college ball last year. Incredible defender, excellent rebounder, and very efficient on offense at medium high usage with a nice jump shot. Nothing not to like unless you get all bent out of shape about him not being long enough or a 3 point shooter.

I'm sold on Clarke after being skeptical at first. His offensive game reminds me of a more athletic Taj Gibson for lack of a better comparison. His defense is where he will contribute right away. Denver fans seem to be begging for Clarke on the General Boards.


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Its because you absolutely need a guy like that to pair with jokic. They have milsap, but he's getting up in years. The same argument for pairing Clarke and jokic applies to kat as well.

[Nick K]

Truly in depth article on Brandon Clarke by Cole Zwicker at thestepien. Includes both the pretty and the ugly bits. Summary is that to the right team ( he is context dependent) he has the potential to be the second best player in the class.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/13/uniqueness-brandon-clarke/

That is a very intensive evaluation and very favorable to Clarke. I'm a fan of being an actual good ball player over measurables so I like Clarke very much. He also has tremendous measurables in athleticism. His measurables in length and bulk are what his naysayers stand on.

Size wise I have my concerns rebounding the ball. He has a SF body, and while the NBA is playing more and more wings at the 4, sometimes even at the 5, would be much more easy to project him as PF if he had 3 or 4 more inches in wingpsan. But I will say that instinct wise he is a sure thing, and the combination of defensive awareness and transition offense is really strong. People is comparing Doumbouya to Siakam, and whike Siakam has better lenght, the most similar player to him in this draft class is Clarke due to his motor and athletic threats IMO.

He's a classic tweener without the wingspan to make it. I hate to be harsh but Clarke can run and jump with elite athleticism but can't make a free throw, or shoot the ball with his T-Rex arms. His greatest measurable is his bust potential. No way he takes what he has and succeeds in the NBA with what he has now and he's 23 frickin years old!! Late developer? He simply won't be able to do with the men in the NBA what he does with the boys in college.

There is a small chance he's really great. That's it. I could be wrong but he's not a gamble I want to take. He's total fools gold.

At #11 we should get a safe pick that will be a super solid rotation player, a future starter. NAW is that guy. He's far better than the masses give him credit for. I'd like to trade up for Coby White. No way Chicago lets him go at #6 or 7.

People love Sekou but I like Chuma Okeke even with the knee injury. Sekou scares me too. I'm tired of gambling on draft day and ending up a loser. That is the MN Timberwolves with few exceptions.

[Klomp]

People get so caught up in the wingspan and standing reach measurements, but don't forget about the jumping ability when it comes to Clarke.

Clarke has a standing reach of 8'6" (102") but a max vert of 40.5" (total: 142.5"). Is that really worse than say Taj Gibson, who measured a standing reach of 9'1" (109") but a max vert of only 30" (total: 139")?

I think he actually somewhat comps in measurables and play style to Dante Cunningham. 8'10.5" (106.5") standing reach and 35" max vert (total: 141.5"), 6'8" and 227 lbs for Cunningham as a SF/PF. DC has been a valuable role player on good teams, and has played 10 years and started nearly 200 games. I wouldn't be upset with that as a return.

[Neeva]

Endin up with cunningham with one of our last lotto picks in the kat era would be depressing as hell

People get so caught up in the wingspan and standing reach measurements, but don't forget about the jumping ability when it comes to Clarke.

Clarke has a standing reach of 8'6" (102") but a max vert of 40.5" (total: 142.5"). Is that really worse than say Taj Gibson, who measured a standing reach of 9'1" (109") but a max vert of only 30" (total: 139")?

I think he actually somewhat comps in measurables and play style to Dante Cunningham. 8'10.5" (106.5") standing reach and 35" max vert (total: 141.5"), 6'8" and 227 lbs for Cunningham as a SF/PF. DC has been a valuable role player on good teams, and has played 10 years and started nearly 200 games. I wouldn't be upset with that as a return.

[KGdaBom]

Only way Taj and Clarke are similar is in that neither is a stretch 4. They don't play alike.

That is why he said more athletic Taj.

[KGdaBom]

Endin up with cunningham with one of our last lotto picks in the kat era would be depressing as hell

People get so caught up in the wingspan and standing reach measurements, but don't forget about the jumping ability when it comes to Clarke.

Clarke has a standing reach of 8'6" (102") but a max vert of 40.5" (total: 142.5"). Is that really worse than say Taj Gibson, who measured a standing reach of 9'1" (109") but a max vert of only 30" (total: 139")?

I think he actually somewhat comps in measurables and play style to Dante Cunningham. 8'10.5" (106.5") standing reach and 35" max vert (total: 141.5"), 6'8" and 227 lbs for Cunningham as a SF/PF. DC has been a valuable role player on good teams, and has played 10 years and started nearly 200 games. I wouldn't be upset with that as a return.

Think Cedric Ceballos with much better D.

[KGdaBom]

That is a very intensive evaluation and very favorable to Clarke. I'm a fan of being an actual good ball player over measurables so I like Clarke very much. He also has tremendous measurables in athleticism. His measurables in length and bulk are what his naysayers stand on.

Size wise I have my concerns rebounding the ball. He has a SF body, and while the NBA is playing more and more wings at the 4, sometimes even at the 5, would be much more easy to project him as PF if he had 3 or 4 more inches in wingpsan. But I will say that instinct wise he is a sure thing, and the combination of defensive awareness and transition offense is really strong. People is comparing Doumbouya to Siakam, and whike Siakam has better lenght, the most similar player to him in this draft class is Clarke due to his motor and athletic threats IMO.

He's a classic tweener without the wingspan to make it. I hate to be harsh but Clarke can run and jump with elite athleticism but can't make a free throw, or shoot the ball with his T-Rex arms. His greatest measurable is his bust potential. No way he takes what he has and succeeds in the NBA with what he has now and he's 23 frickin years old!! Late developer? He simply won't be able to do with the men in the NBA what he does with the boys in college.

There is a small chance he's really great. That's it. I could be wrong but he's not a gamble I want to take. He's total fools gold.

At #11 we should get a safe pick that will be a super solid rotation player, a future starter. NAW is that guy. He's far better than the masses give him credit for. I'd like to trade up for Coby White. No way Chicago lets him go at #6 or 7.

People love Sekou but I like Chuma Okeke even with the knee injury. Sekou scares me too. I'm tired of gambling on draft day and ending up a loser. That is the MN Timberwolves with few exceptions.

Defense almost always translates from college to NBA. Clarke is about as safe a pick as you can find. His shooting touch from the rim to 15 feet is sensational. Those T Rex arms didn't stop him from being about a tie with Zion as the best player in college.

[KGdaBom]

Clarke has no skill, if you think he’s a sure thing @ 11 you’re a moron. Literally all the ppl he’s compared to we’re diamond in the rough 2nd round picks that usually wouldn’t work out 97% of the time; now you want to waste a lotto on that?

Wesley it seems like you are getting upset now. To me you are not looking at Clarke rationally at all. Having a combined 6 steals/blocks per game is an incredible skill. Shooting with the amazing touch he has out to 15 feet is an incredible skill. Jumping the way he does and timing his jumps perfectly for lobs, put back dunks, and blocked shots is an incredible skill. He shot 2 point jumpers at 52%. You know how few players can do that? How can he do all that and you say he has no skill?

[wesleyt95]

Clarke has no skill, if you think he’s a sure thing @ 11 you’re a moron. Literally all the ppl he’s compared to we’re diamond in the rough 2nd round picks that usually wouldn’t work out 97% of the time; now you want to waste a lotto on that?

Wesley it seems like you are getting upset now. To me you are not looking at Clarke rationally at all. Having a combined 6 steals/blocks per game is an incredible skill. Shooting with the amazing touch he has out to 15 feet is an incredible skill. Jumping the way he does and timing his jumps perfectly for lobs, put back dunks, and blocked shots is an incredible skill. He shot 2 point jumpers at 52%. You know how few players can do that? How can he do all that and you say he has no skill?

Steals and blocks are more hustle than skill, his size won’t translate to the next level around the rim on offense or defense... he wasn’t going up against guys like Towns, Gobert, Embiid Jokic etc

[Klomp]

... he wasn’t going up against guys like Towns, Gobert, Embiid Jokic etc

Nobody in college was. Why is Clarke the only player in the entire draft that you hold that against?

[wesleyt95]

... he wasn’t going up against guys like Towns, Gobert, Embiid Jokic etc

Nobody in college was. Why is Clarke the only player in the entire draft that you hold that against?

Because every other prospect we’re considering is a threat from all 3 levels

[Klomp]

... he wasn’t going up against guys like Towns, Gobert, Embiid Jokic etc

Nobody in college was. Why is Clarke the only player in the entire draft that you hold that against?

Because every other prospect we’re considering is a threat from all 3 levels

Nassir Little, who shot 26.9% from 3-point range, is a threat from all three levels? I didn't even pick another prospect you hate either, this is someone you argued a few pages back that we should draft.

[Neeva]

clarkes stats as an 18 year old in a weak conference were?

Nobody in college was. Why is Clarke the only player in the entire draft that you hold that against?

Because every other prospect we’re considering is a threat from all 3 levels

Nassir Little, who shot 26.9% from 3-point range, is a threat from all three levels? I didn't even pick another prospect you hate either, this is someone you argued a few pages back that we should draft.

[SO_MONEY]

Nobody in college was. Why is Clarke the only player in the entire draft that you hold that against?

Because every other prospect we’re considering is a threat from all 3 levels

Nassir Little, who shot 26.9% from 3-point range, is a threat from all three levels? I didn't even pick another prospect you hate either, this is someone you argued a few pages back that we should draft.

Little is likely the only player worth taking at 11 who will still be there. Anyone else is a player you trade down to draft...guys like Clarke. And it is worth stating scouts are impressed with Little's shooting and in workouts he has dispelled concerns, if rumors are to be believed.

[wesleyt95]

Nobody in college was. Why is Clarke the only player in the entire draft that you hold that against?

Because every other prospect we’re considering is a threat from all 3 levels

Nassir Little, who shot 26.9% from 3-point range, is a threat from all three levels? I didn't even pick another prospect you hate either, this is someone you argued a few pages back that we should draft.

Yeah and Towns put up 10 ppg & shot 25% from 3 at Kentucky so what are you saying? Little has been showing his shot during workouts and I’m not concerned

[Klomp]

Little has been showing his shot during workouts and I’m not concerned

And I can say the same thing about Clarke.