2019 Draft Discussion

[JMAC3]

If we are trading up then I hope it’s for Culver. He has the same body as JLamb, but will be a way better defender. Offensively I think this guy is a worker and has what it takes to be really really good.

In order for him to fall- draft has to go like this:

Zion-Morant-Barrett
Garland to Lakers
Hunter to Lakers
White to Sun
And then we trade with Chicago for Culver.


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[Lwcasu]

Does anyone see Brandon Clarke as a young Dennis Rodman?

[Lwcasu]

Little off topic but draft related in general. The Raptors are the first team ever to win a championship without a lotto pick on their roster.

[SWedd523]

Does anyone see Brandon Clarke as a young Dennis Rodman?

Not even remotely

[Lwcasu]

Does anyone see Brandon Clarke as a young Dennis Rodman?

Not even remotely

Rodman had a 40 + inch vertical and was practically the same size (longer wingspan) as Brandon Clarke. Both are limited offensively, but Rodman wasn’t terrible early in his career. Clarke has a nice spin move back to the basket.

Rodman was probably a better on the ball defender and Clarke a better off the ball defender. Neither were/are jump shooters. Both bring a certain level of intensity. Rodman developed a very deep understanding of how to get in someone’s head. I’d say both had/have great instincts. Rodman had solid bbq IQ. I’m not sure of Clarke’s BB IQ yet. Rodman did all the little things that I don’t see Brandon Clarke doing yet, like diving in the crowd. Both generat(ed) most of their offense in transition.

Saying not remotely is disingenuous because they do share some obvious overlapping traits. I’ll agree they’re different players though, but heard the comparison and thought it at least warranted debate.

[SWedd523]

So they're similar because they're both athletic post players stuck in a wing's body. That definitely doesn't encompass about 5,000 other guys who have been in the league.

Rodman is a historic level rebounder and defender. Probably one of the more intelligent, tenacious, and fiery players ever on that side of the floor. He's a dude who guarded guys from MJ to Shaq. The dude averaged 26 points and 16 rebounds per game in his three years in college. He was a 2x DPOY, 2x All-NBA selection, 8x All-Defense selection, 2x All-Star, led the league in rebounding 7x, led the league in offensive rebounds 6x, and will likely be enshrined into the HOF.

It's both disrespectful to Rodman and unfair to Clarke to call him a young Rodman.

[Lwcasu]

So they're similar because they're both athletic post players stuck in a wing's body. That definitely doesn't encompass about 5,000 other guys who have been in the league.

Rodman is a historic level rebounder and defender. Probably one of the more intelligent, tenacious, and fiery players ever on that side of the floor. He's a dude who guarded guys from MJ to Shaq. The dude averaged 26 points and 16 rebounds per game in his three years in college. He was a 2x DPOY, 2x All-NBA selection, 8x All-Defense selection, 2x All-Star, led the league in rebounding 7x, led the league in offensive rebounds 6x, and will likely be enshrined into the HOF.

It's both disrespectful to Rodman and unfair to Clarke to call him a young Rodman.

You lost me comparing Rodman’s college stats. He played for Southeastern Oklahoma. That’s part of your argument? Lol. No two players are identical. Clarke hasnt had a chance in the league so all the All-NBA, All-Star selections etc., are mute. Im saying a lot of Clarke’s game is in the same realm as Rodman. Transition player, outstanding defense, undersized but overtly athletic, both have high motors and high levels of intensity.

[yosemiteben]

I don't know how I feel about Clarke, but I do think the fact that he is only 6'8" but averaged over 3 blocks per game in 28 mpg is extremely impressive.

[SWedd523]

And Clarke spent his first two seasons at San Jose State lol

A team that won 4 games his second year there and hasn't won 20 games since the 1949-50 season lol

Yeah they're similar players. The same way Steve Nash and I are similar

[Lwcasu]

And Clarke spent his first two seasons at San Jose State lol

A team that won 4 games his second year there and hasn't won 20 games since the 1949-50 season lol

Yeah they're similar players. The same way Steve Nash and I are similar

You forgot a 1. They won 14. Not that it matters because Clarke transferred to a big time program and put up better stats...

Your whole argument is ostentatious without any objective comparison at the same point in their careers. You bring up irrelevant awards that aren’t apt because Clarke hasn’t played in the NBA yet, and fail to actually compare a young Rodman to a young Clarke.

That being said, I just saw Brandon Clarke shoot a jump shot while he was at San Jose and it was actually uglier than MKG... didn’t see him shoot at Gonzaga but hope he fixed that.

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[amcoolio]

I really like PJ Washington and I think that's who they take if they don't trade up/he's still there at 12

[yosemiteben]

And Clarke spent his first two seasons at San Jose State lol

Doesn't him putting up elite defensive stats at an elite program kind of invalidate that argument?

[Braggins]

I've cooled off a bit on Romeo Langford. I still like him as a value prospect but NAW has moved above him as my top wing prospect in the 12-25 range.

I'm warming up more to Grant Williams and still really like Goga. I like PJ Washington too but he seems a lot less likely to be available in the late 1st. Grant in the in the late 1st seems better value than PJ at 12-14.

I'm still on the trade back and or/consolidate future 2nds plan and the three guys I want are NAW + Goga + Grant Williams. I think Boston at 14/20/22 could be the ideal trade partner. Try to trade a package centered around 12 for 14 + 20 or 22 and then use some other assets (2020 CLE 2nd for example) to move back into the early 2nd or late 1st.


I really, really, don't like either of the Gonazaga prospects.

Kemba/Monk/Graham
Bacon/NAW
Miles/Batum
Marv/MKG/Grant
Cody/Frank/Goga/Biz

I like the idea of loading up on young talent and using next season as a development year where they don't necessarily try to go all in on a deep playoff run immediately, but rather try to be competitive and make the playoffs, which shouldn't be difficult as a low seed, while transitioning to a youth movement and setting up to be a real threat after next season when Marv/MKG/Batum/Cody start to come off the books. Even if you don't like the specific young players I like you could use the same plan and swap out NAW/Goga/Williams for whatever players you do like. I think the general idea is still good.

[Braggins]

And Clarke spent his first two seasons at San Jose State lol

Doesn't him putting up elite defensive stats at an elite program kind of invalidate that argument?

I feel like a 23 year old version of Miles Bridges would also look like a god tier defender playing in the WCC.

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[yosemiteben]

And Clarke spent his first two seasons at San Jose State lol

Doesn't him putting up elite defensive stats at an elite program kind of invalidate that argument?

I feel like a 23 year old version of Miles Bridges would also look like a god tier defender playing in the WCC.

That's a fair point. I'm not super knowledgable about college ball anymore, but I'm sure it's true that Gonzaga got a little stat padding help being in that conference.