pelifan wrote:how much cap did NO open up? seems to me if they let everyone walk they should have in the range of 25 million
They’ll be about $18m under the cap after this deal if they renounce everyone.
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pelifan wrote:how much cap did NO open up? seems to me if they let everyone walk they should have in the range of 25 million
Scoot McGroot wrote:pelifan wrote:how much cap did NO open up? seems to me if they let everyone walk they should have in the range of 25 million
They’ll be about $18m under the cap after this deal if they renounce everyone.
Yeah, that was 100% Ramona playing the expectations game.retrobro90 wrote:
FWIW Moore saying just one additional swap. 7 straight years of picks/swaps is insanity.
pelifan wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:pelifan wrote:how much cap did NO open up? seems to me if they let everyone walk they should have in the range of 25 million
They’ll be about $18m under the cap after this deal if they renounce everyone.
that include Randle opting out?
VCfor3 wrote:Would Kuzma for Bogdan Bogdanovic+Bjelica work for both teams? Wagner and Isaac can be added on the Lakers side but how far off is that deal? Feels light for SAC but don't know what all else is really available for LAL to add until we see what their pick situation looks like.
SAC gets even more cap space and can go hard in FA while getting a younger piece in Kuzma to fit with their core. They can also take on an expiring contract for assets.
LAL breaks Kuzma into two pieces. They then can throw their remaining cap space at Beverly and use the Room Exception on Justin Holiday or a center or something. Beverly/Bogdan/LBJ/Bjelica/AD with Holiday (or Bogdan if Holiday starts) off the bench isn't terrible if they can't get a max FA.
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Max guy should know where he going by July 6.
If they use up the space, they have to sign the draft pick to match salaries and then wait 30 says, so August, before New Orleans could execute the deal. That might not be ok with them, and likely has already been decided between the two teams. I would think New Orleans would like to move on, and if they keep 4, introduce the new pick at a presser and have him play summer league and such.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86
Does this not apply? Doesn't seem like they need 4 salary to make it work. All the players minus Kuzma not including 4 salary is roughly 22.9.
Cap wise. Renounce all FAs and be 400k short of Kemba max. Kemba can be short or you can break the AD trade in two parts. Send 4 for cap space to Pels . Sign Kemba then send the rest of the players and picks for AD.
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Three firsts is a lot. Especially given LBJ's age and AD's injury history. Obviously, Ingram's health will play a huge part in how this ultimately pans out for the Pelicans.
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Really only two future firsts. I assume 2020 , 2022. Number 4 pick for this draft was found money.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
GimmeDat wrote:Pelicans absolutely smashed this.
Scoot McGroot wrote:Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
If they use up the space, they have to sign the draft pick to match salaries and then wait 30 says, so August, before New Orleans could execute the deal. That might not be ok with them, and likely has already been decided between the two teams. I would think New Orleans would like to move on, and if they keep 4, introduce the new pick at a presser and have him play summer league and such.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86
Does this not apply? Doesn't seem like they need 4 salary to make it work. All the players minus Kuzma not including 4 salary is roughly 22.9.
Cap wise. Renounce all FAs and be 400k short of Kemba max. Kemba can be short or you can break the AD trade in two parts. Send 4 for cap space to Pels . Sign Kemba then send the rest of the players and picks for AD.
If you're saying to have LA trade Lonzo, Ingram, Hart, Wagner, and Bonga for AD to match salaries without having to include the salary of the #4 pick, it doesn't match up. If they do it before July 1, LA would have to send out $20.267m to take in AD, and that package only combines for $17.636m. If they do it on July 1 with the new salaries, LA would have to send out $21.594m to absorb AD, and that package of players only combines for $21.399m.
If they want to go back to negotiations, and include Wagner, Bonga, and get Jemerrio Jones to alter his contract to have $200k guarantee, then, salary wise, it would work on July 1 (Jemerrio Jones is eligible to be traded on July 1). But, that's a different deal. If LA wants to just throw them in, I guess New Orleans would take them for free? I imagine they wouldn't give back any 1sts though. And, that would mean that Jemerrio Jones is the lynchpin, and would have veto power, over making this deal setup work. Which is crazy. And also, in your setup, LA would have to waive Jemerrio Jones 1st to clear enough space to offer someone $32.5m, which would still be a hare under the full max of $32.7m on a $109m cap.
zimpy27 wrote:GimmeDat wrote:Pelicans absolutely smashed this.
Lakers: AD
Pelicans: Ingram, Ball, Hart, pick 4 2019, pick 20-25 2021, pick 20-25 2023, pick swap 2025
It's a fair deal, Pels got more than I thought they would. I imagine the deal gets official after July 30, that makes the deal sensible for the Lakers, obviously, they had to pay for that stipulation so that they could get a max FA on top.
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:Wasabi_Johnson wrote:http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86
Does this not apply? Doesn't seem like they need 4 salary to make it work. All the players minus Kuzma not including 4 salary is roughly 22.9.
Cap wise. Renounce all FAs and be 400k short of Kemba max. Kemba can be short or you can break the AD trade in two parts. Send 4 for cap space to Pels . Sign Kemba then send the rest of the players and picks for AD.
If you're saying to have LA trade Lonzo, Ingram, Hart, Wagner, and Bonga for AD to match salaries without having to include the salary of the #4 pick, it doesn't match up. If they do it before July 1, LA would have to send out $20.267m to take in AD, and that package only combines for $17.636m. If they do it on July 1 with the new salaries, LA would have to send out $21.594m to absorb AD, and that package of players only combines for $21.399m.
If they want to go back to negotiations, and include Wagner, Bonga, and get Jemerrio Jones to alter his contract to have $200k guarantee, then, salary wise, it would work on July 1 (Jemerrio Jones is eligible to be traded on July 1). But, that's a different deal. If LA wants to just throw them in, I guess New Orleans would take them for free? I imagine they wouldn't give back any 1sts though. And, that would mean that Jemerrio Jones is the lynchpin, and would have veto power, over making this deal setup work. Which is crazy. And also, in your setup, LA would have to waive Jemerrio Jones 1st to clear enough space to offer someone $32.5m, which would still be a hare under the full max of $32.7m on a $109m cap.
It was reported that the trade cant be official before July 6. There isn't a July first scenario.
Wasabi_Johnson wrote: NO doesn't have to take Wagner and bonga. Any team can take them. They just need to be outgoing on the laker side.
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Being a hair short of the max is assuming Lakers sign 4. From my understanding , they don't have to sign the pick if they not going to use it to count against cap. If they don't have to sign him they would be a hair short.
If that's not true and pick 4 counts against their cap regardless. They can trade pick 4 separately to NO to generate the shortfall with a cap hold to sign the max. Then
pelifan wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:pelifan wrote:how much cap did NO open up? seems to me if they let everyone walk they should have in the range of 25 million
They’ll be about $18m under the cap after this deal if they renounce everyone.
that include Randle opting out?
Scoot McGroot wrote:Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
If you're saying to have LA trade Lonzo, Ingram, Hart, Wagner, and Bonga for AD to match salaries without having to include the salary of the #4 pick, it doesn't match up. If they do it before July 1, LA would have to send out $20.267m to take in AD, and that package only combines for $17.636m. If they do it on July 1 with the new salaries, LA would have to send out $21.594m to absorb AD, and that package of players only combines for $21.399m.
If they want to go back to negotiations, and include Wagner, Bonga, and get Jemerrio Jones to alter his contract to have $200k guarantee, then, salary wise, it would work on July 1 (Jemerrio Jones is eligible to be traded on July 1). But, that's a different deal. If LA wants to just throw them in, I guess New Orleans would take them for free? I imagine they wouldn't give back any 1sts though. And, that would mean that Jemerrio Jones is the lynchpin, and would have veto power, over making this deal setup work. Which is crazy. And also, in your setup, LA would have to waive Jemerrio Jones 1st to clear enough space to offer someone $32.5m, which would still be a hare under the full max of $32.7m on a $109m cap.
It was reported that the trade cant be official before July 6. There isn't a July first scenario.
July 1st just means new salaries and league year rolls over. In this case, July 1st and July 6th are the same thing, in terms of meaning. 2019/20 salaries versue 2018/19 salaries is what was meant.Wasabi_Johnson wrote: NO doesn't have to take Wagner and bonga. Any team can take them. They just need to be outgoing on the laker side.
That's fine. They can go anywhere, but LA would still have to send out more salary, to anywhere, in order to send enough to absorb AD in a simultaneous, salary matching trade. That's why I mentioned Jemerrio Jones, but that presents some small issues the other way, too, as they need to waive him to get as close as possible to a full max salary too.Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Being a hair short of the max is assuming Lakers sign 4. From my understanding , they don't have to sign the pick if they not going to use it to count against cap. If they don't have to sign him they would be a hair short.
If that's not true and pick 4 counts against their cap regardless. They can trade pick 4 separately to NO to generate the shortfall with a cap hold to sign the max. Then
Being a hair short didn't mean signing 4. If they sign the 4th pick and then wait the 30 days to July 31st, they'll be fine no matter what. But NO would have to be ok with that, too. And yes, the cap hold for the 4th pick is the same to LA, signed or unsigned. Signed or unsigned just affects when the salary can be used in a simultaneous trade and when a trade restriction on the player drafted 4th would kick in.
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