2019 Draft Thread

[LuessiT]

I didn't say that was his ceiling, and if you're expecting something more than that in that range of the draft then you might come up empty. Most drafts don't have a Draymond Green or Nikola Jokic waiting in the 2nd round.

I'm not, but you said he's the biggest boom/bust guy and to me he's exactly the opposite. With his body type there is nothing holding him back from being at least an end of the bench contributer right from the getgo but also I don't think his ceiling is all that high since he lacks shot creating for himself and others. For example shooters that can create for themselves like Poole/Herro/Sirvydis/Wyndler/Johnson have significantly higher ceilings imo.

Don't think Herro is in our range but I also don't understand how any of the bolded guys will be able to create their own shot at the NBA-level. They're pure shooters off the catch. If Wyndler and Johnson could consistently create for themselves then they'd probably both be lottery picks.

Windler has at least shown glimpses of being able to create for himself off the dribble or with stepbacks https://youtu.be/0VspDO1zjXk?t=98

Sirvydis actually creates quite a bit of his own offense. He's got a legit handle and is very capable of shooting off very little separation.
https://youtu.be/RkeHVWHT4Zw?t=266

I'm not saying either players will necessarely become consistent shot creaters, but if they do their ceiling becomes much greater than Dort imo. That said especially Sirvydis has obstacles in his game (mostly strength/frame related) that might never let him reach the NBA floor. That is boom/bust to me. Dort will be able to step onto the NBA court right away.

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[lds102]

Is or can anyone out there put out a list/ survey of 10 or so players we may draft were we get 2 each select who we think may be the Bucks next draft pick & see who gets the most votes.

[LuessiT]

Is or can anyone out there put out a list/ survey of 10 or so players we may draft were we get 2 each select who we think may be the Bucks next draft pick & see who gets the most votes.

I'll start give a try based on what I've seen in this thread:

Okeke
Johnson
Gafford
Sirvydis
Windler
Bazley
Thybulle
Kabengele
Poole
THT
Jerome
Edwards
Samanic

[leroyjw10]

I realize this is mostly a puff piece, but I love that Jontay is modeling his game after guys like Jokic, Draymond and Marc Gasol. The injury history is scary, but dude just feels and plays like a winner. Him and Carsen Edwards are my clear cut top 2.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6/17/18681485/jontay-porter-nba-draft-mizzou-michael-porter

[machu46]

New DX mock out today:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26719722/nba-mock-draft-latest-intel-all-60-picks-2019

1. Pels - Zion
2. Grizz - Ja
3. Knicks - Barrett
4. Pels - Culver
5. Cavs - Garland
6. Suns - White
7. Bulls - Hunter
8. Hawks - Reddish
9. Wizards - Doumbouya
10. Hawks - Hayes
11. Wolves - Little
12. Hornets - Hachimura
13. Heat - PJ Washington
14. Celtics - Herro
15. Pistons - Langford
16. Magic - Alexander-Walker
17. Hawks - Clarke
18. Pacers - Keldon Johnson
19. Spurs - Goga
20. Celtics - Bol Bol
21. OKC - Cameron Johnson
22. Celtics - Kabengele
23. Jazz - Okpala
24. 76ers - Paschall
25. Blazers - Ty Jerome
26. Cavs - Samanic
27. Nets - Kevin Porter
28. Warriors - Thybulle
29. Spurs - Bazley
30. Bucks - Grant Williams: With frontcourt depth being a real question, it might make sense for the Bucks to add a player like Williams to the mix.

He has the type of feel, toughness, character and maturity on and off the court that could be attractive to this organization. Williams also has some untapped upside as a perimeter shooter, which Mike Budenholzer and his staff likely can uncover with their emphasis on spacing and player development.

Picks shortly after us:
Claxton
Dort
Okeke
Carsen Edwards
Horton-Tucker
Bruno
Windler

[Matches Malone]

I tried to put together a Top Ten Big Board for pick #30. It's such a crap shoot this late in the 1st round but this is what I came up with.

1. Cameron Johnson (Likely Gone)
2. Dylan Windler
3. Louis King
4. Luka Samanic
5. Chuma Okeke
6. Darius Bazley
7. Mfiondu Kabengele
8. Ty Jerome
9. Eric Paschall
10. Shamorie Ponds

Honorable mention: Johntay Porter - His skillset would be amazing in Bud's offense but 2 ACL tears in 6 months is a BIG red flag, imo. I usually don't mind an ACL tear (See Okeke) because it's becoming less damning, but 2 in that short of span might suggest a weaker knee.

[Badgerlander]

New DX mock out today:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26719722/nba-mock-draft-latest-intel-all-60-picks-2019

1. Pels - Zion
2. Grizz - Ja
3. Knicks - Barrett
4. Pels - Culver
5. Cavs - Garland
6. Suns - White
7. Bulls - Hunter
8. Hawks - Reddish
9. Wizards - Doumbouya
10. Hawks - Hayes
11. Wolves - Little
12. Hornets - Hachimura
13. Heat - PJ Washington
14. Celtics - Herro
15. Pistons - Langford
16. Magic - Alexander-Walker
17. Hawks - Clarke
18. Pacers - Keldon Johnson
19. Spurs - Goga
20. Celtics - Bol Bol
21. OKC - Cameron Johnson
22. Celtics - Kabengele
23. Jazz - Okpala
24. 76ers - Paschall
25. Blazers - Ty Jerome
26. Cavs - Samanic
27. Nets - Kevin Porter
28. Warriors - Thybulle
29. Spurs - Bazley
30. Bucks - Grant Williams: With frontcourt depth being a real question, it might make sense for the Bucks to add a player like Williams to the mix.

He has the type of feel, toughness, character and maturity on and off the court that could be attractive to this organization. Williams also has some untapped upside as a perimeter shooter, which Mike Budenholzer and his staff likely can uncover with their emphasis on spacing and player development.

Picks shortly after us:
Claxton
Dort
Okeke
Carsen Edwards
Horton-Tucker
Bruno
Windler

Grant is the Brogdon of this draft can’t see him falling to us, in fact Dx seems way off this year on a lot of guys

[emunney]

I will cop to loving Grant Williams AND being totally unsure of whether he can succeed in the NBA despite the success of guys like Tucker and Draymond.

[machu46]

I tried to put together a Top Ten Big Board for pick #30. It's such a crap shoot this late in the 1st round but this is what I came up with.

1. Cameron Johnson (Likely Gone)
2. Dylan Windler
3. Louis King
4. Luka Samanic
5. Chuma Okeke
6. Darius Bazley
7. Mfiondu Kabengele
8. Ty Jerome
9. Eric Paschall
10. Shamorie Ponds

Honorable mention: Johntay Porter - His skillset would be amazing in Bud's offense but 2 ACL tears in 6 months is a BIG red flag, imo. I usually don't mind an ACL tear (See Okeke) because it's becoming less damning, but 2 in that short of span might suggest a weaker knee.

My crack at a top 10, organized into three tiers (considering anyone #25 and lower on DX's mock as potential options):

1. Bruno Fernando
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2. Grant Williams
3. Ty Jerome
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4. Chuma Okeke
5. Shamorie Ponds
6. Dylan Windler
7. Luka Samanic
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8. Admiral Schofield
9. Carsen Edwards
10. Matisse Thybulle

Edit: Watched some more of Bruno Fernando this morning and I think I might be in love.

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Nice. I love the freakish athleticism even tho he's a poor shooter. I think if he can work on his shot selection it'll do wonders for him.

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[leroyjw10]

I will cop to loving Grant Williams AND being totally unsure of whether he can succeed in the NBA despite the success of guys like Tucker and Draymond.

I have a hard time determining what his path to playing time is on the Bucks. I don't know that he'll ever be anything more than a short PF, not unlike Tucker and Draymond. And considering we've already got a pretty good PF in place, plus a guy in DJ who looked good at times, and I don't know where or how Williams ever gets minutes.

I don't necessarily expect anybody at 30 to play this year, but I'd at least like to be able to project them into a regular role. I could see Jontay taking over for Brook in the near future, and I could see Carsen Edwards getting minutes as a bench scorer, and potentially even replacing Bledsoe within a few years. Don't see it with Williams.

[emunney]

I will cop to loving Grant Williams AND being totally unsure of whether he can succeed in the NBA despite the success of guys like Tucker and Draymond.

I have a hard time determining what his path to playing time is on the Bucks. I don't know that he'll ever be anything more than a short PF, not unlike Tucker and Draymond. And considering we've already got a pretty good PF in place, plus a guy in DJ who looked good at times, and I don't know where or how Williams ever gets minutes.

I don't necessarily expect anybody at 30 to play this year, but I'd at least like to be able to project them into a regular role. I could see Jontay taking over for Brook in the near future, and I could see Carsen Edwards getting minutes as a bench scorer, and potentially even replacing Bledsoe within a few years. Don't see it with Williams.

I think it's just way too early to worry about a path to playing time for any of these guys. In a nutshell, his path to playing time is that he's good enough that he forces his way onto the court, OR he's good enough that he gets minutes when an injury happens and he's too good to take off the court. I don't think this is different for anybody we might pick.

On top of that, the roster is very much unsettled right now, and on top of that, the roster 2-3-4 years out is never settled. Recall the players on our roster at the end of this season who played for us in Hammond's last year (2 seasons ago): Giannis, Brogdon, Middleton, Snell. That's it.

[emunney]

LOB had Zwicker on and he mentioned that he had heard a rumor that the Bucks are the team who promised Thybulle, but that he was questioning it based on his conversation with Eric and Frank.

[mattg]

I want to like grant Williams, but he doesn’t move well enough to have the switchability that guys like draymond and Tucker do IMO. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who’s gonna be able to carve out a role because of that.

Thybulle has insane block and steal rates, but whenever I see him on film I’m not impressed defensively. Think he’s overrated on that end even outside the context of the zone. Offensively he’s a nothing basically. Wouldn’t be super excited about the pick.

[LuessiT]

LOB had Zwicker on and he mentioned that he had heard a rumor that the Bucks are the team who promised Thybulle, but that he was questioning it based on his conversation with Eric and Frank.

Thanks the tidbit. Could be that we promised him and another team. I'm kinda back on the Poole train even though he's not even mocked on some outlets. He's going to be really good imo.

Edit: It's kinda obvious but if we promise prospects I'm sure they're willing to tank their draft slots to go to us. What a turnaround. Another guy I think we could have promised is Claxton. Stopped working out for teams except in the lottery and was gushing about Giannis in his interview at the combine.

[Badgerlander]

I will cop to loving Grant Williams AND being totally unsure of whether he can succeed in the NBA despite the success of guys like Tucker and Draymond.

He’s very Jared Dudley 2.0ish, going to have to transform his game and his body the same way to stick

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grant-williams-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jared-dudley-1.html

[Bucks4005]

Longtime lurker, but I don't see what peoples problem with Gafford is. I mean, physically he seems to have everything that a team would want in a C. I get that we need to have floor spacers on the floor with Giannis. But assuming we bring Lopez back, Ersan will also get minutes at the 4 and 5, I feel having diversity in our lineup would help a lot. Like, these past playoffs we were launching and missing 3s, but Gafford kinda fits in as a pick and roll threat. Do we have any bigs like that on our roster right now? Just because Gafford doesn't fit our system right now doesn't mean he is useless as a player, if Bud is as great a coach as we think he is, maybe he uses Gafford more with Bledsoe when Giannis is on the bench and open up some more pick and roll action. Right now though, I don't really think we have a big thats particularly good at the pick and roll though. That alone has value offensively in addressing a weakness if Gafford can provide good rebounding and defense as a rookie right away.

[LuessiT]

Longtime lurker, but I don't see what peoples problem with Gafford is. I mean, physically he seems to have everything that a team would want in a C. I get that we need to have floor spacers on the floor with Giannis. But assuming we bring Lopez back, Ersan will also get minutes at the 4 and 5, I feel having diversity in our lineup would help a lot. Like, these past playoffs we were launching and missing 3s, but Gafford kinda fits in as a pick and roll threat. Do we have any bigs like that on our roster right now? Just because Gafford doesn't fit our system right now doesn't mean he is useless as a player, if Bud is as great a coach as we think he is, maybe he uses Gafford more with Bledsoe when Giannis is on the bench and open up some more pick and roll action. Right now though, I don't really think we have a big thats particularly good at the pick and roll though. That alone has value offensively in addressing a weakness if Gafford can provide good rebounding and defense as a rookie right away.

The problem with Gafford is that there are plenty of FA PnR threats available for the minimum. I've been advocating for Cheick Diallo for quite a while. He went #33 in an arguably deeper draft in 2016 and improved every season claiming 29% of DRB with 64% TS. He's a pretty solid FT-shooter. And he's probably available for the minimum. So are plenty of others. So Gafford has to be significantly better than those guys (because you're using a draft pick to get him instead of signing a free agent). And what is his ceiling? DAJ if everything goes well? How much is he going to get? Honestly I wouldn't pay more than the tax-MLE for Jordan and if I'm drafting a guy and investing time developing him and his best outcome is some player worth the tax-MLE I'm doing something wrong.

When you draft a center these days he either needs to become a shooter, a playmaker, an elite offensive player or a game changer on the defensive end. I don't see an avenue for Gafford to become any of those.

Or look at a guy like Frank Kaminsky. Totally different skillset but after being drafted in the lottery in 2015 and shooting consistently for 4 years I'm not sure Charlotte will be offering the QO cause he'll just sign it. What he's going to go for? Is our roster spot really better filled with Gafford than with a guy that got drafted high, had 4 years in the league and fits our system well? I don't think so. You're better off drafting a random wing at our range cause the league needs more wings and any will do. But the market with centers is so oversaturated that unless you are exceptional, you're not worth anything. And Gafford is not exceptional. Just my opinion.