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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#1621 » by Roddy » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:25 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Give me Bol Bol. Jersey sales in the Philippines will go through the roof. If we are taking big swings looking for All-stars at 14, I think he's got the highest upside. HIs defense on the pick and roll will suck, but if we figured out a way to hide IT, then I have faith that Brad can hide Bol Bol.


Brad is a coach not a magician.

He can hide a 5'8 midget, not sure about a 7'3 guy :tooth
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Post#1622 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:31 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Give me Bol Bol. Jersey sales in the Philippines will go through the roof. If we are taking big swings looking for All-stars at 14, I think he's got the highest upside. HIs defense on the pick and roll will suck, but if we figured out a way to hide IT, then I have faith that Brad can hide Bol Bol.


Brad is a coach not a magician.

He can hide a 5'8 midget, not sure about a 7'3 guy :tooth


That is fair. I'd also like to add that I'm also concerned about his foot. Foot injuries have been scaring me since 1987.
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Post#1623 » by Smog » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:51 pm

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I never heard of Lecque until 10 minutes ago but watching that effortless 43 inch vertical and realizing he is a 19 yo HS grad.....sign me up. Russell Westbrook lite right there. If you can get talent like that at 51 .... no brainer.


Lecque won’t last to 51 anymore. You might have to take him in the first. People should probably be prepared for that.

Lecque is exactly the sort of player people have knocked Ainge for not taking in the past. He’s a high-upside lottery ticket, not a gritty overachiever whose value is tied up in defensive effort. Like a lot of Ainge projects, however, he’s a draft prospect whose value is being suppressed by poor shooting results, and Ainge has actually done well with a lot of those picks, even the ones who never learned to shoot - think Rondo, but also Avery Bradley or Tony Allen or even Jaylen Brown.

If people are going to hammer Ainge for not taking someone like Giannis, they shouldn’t complain about Lecque if he’s the pick. This is another kid who’s far away but has unique physical gifts.


Well, the problem is he's 6-2, not 6-6 or 6-7.


He’s 6’2.5” without shoes, and has a 6’8.5” wingspan, which is pretty good for a point guard. He’s an inch taller and has three more inches of wingspan for instance than Jaylen Hands, the last “baby Westbrook.” What sets him apart is the burst and the 43” vertical. I’m not even sold on drafting the kid, but he’s clearly the high-ceiling high-risk type that some on here have clamored for the Cs to take more chances on.
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Post#1624 » by Roddy » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:16 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Give me Bol Bol. Jersey sales in the Philippines will go through the roof. If we are taking big swings looking for All-stars at 14, I think he's got the highest upside. HIs defense on the pick and roll will suck, but if we figured out a way to hide IT, then I have faith that Brad can hide Bol Bol.


Brad is a coach not a magician.

He can hide a 5'8 midget, not sure about a 7'3 guy :tooth


That is fair. I'd also like to add that I'm also concerned about his foot. Foot injuries have been scaring me since 1987.


I like Bol Bol but even if he is available, my favorite big guy is Clarke.

Bruno Fernando could be a nice surprise but I wouldnt take him before #22.

# 14 Clarke
# 20 Herro
# 22 Carsen Edwards
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Post#1625 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
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Brad is a coach not a magician.

He can hide a 5'8 midget, not sure about a 7'3 guy :tooth


That is fair. I'd also like to add that I'm also concerned about his foot. Foot injuries have been scaring me since 1987.


I like Bol Bol but even if he is available, my favorite big guy is Clarke.

Bruno Fernando could be a nice surprise but I wouldnt take him before #22.

# 14 Clarke
# 20 Herro
# 22 Carsen Edwards


I only like Bol Bol because his name translates to a term in Tagalog (Filipino language) meaning pubic hair. If I show up wearing a Bol Bol Celtics jersey to a family party, it is going to be hilarious. I don't really know much else about anyone in this draft. :lol:
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Post#1626 » by BillessuR6 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:42 pm

Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...
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Post#1627 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:46 pm

thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


Or because someone is willing to be stashed!
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Post#1628 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:59 pm

thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


If we end up with more James Young or Yabusele types, something tells me people will be similarly displeased.

You draft guys that are at the intersection of high ceiling and likelihood to hit that ceiling in your system. Otherwise youre just wasting picks.
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Post#1629 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:00 pm

thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


If we're going after upside Sekou Doumbouya is our guy. Youngest player in the draft, imo has the 2nd highest upside sans Zion.
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Post#1630 » by BillessuR6 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:07 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


If we end up with more James Young or Yabusele types, something tells me people will be similarly displeased.

You draft guys that are at the intersection of high ceiling and likelihood to hit that ceiling in your system. Otherwise youre just wasting picks.


Well, I knew when we drafted Yabusele we waisted a pick. I saw him a few times in Europe and I knew he will not be an NBA player...the reason behind it (save cap space for Durant) was terrible, IMO. We could have easily traded out or pick the best prospect available and see what happens in FA.

And I knew when we drafted Olynky we waisted a pick...if you draft Olynyk when you are contending it makes sense if you are rebuilding it does not make sense...

We have three picks...we will not contend next year...and if we draft guys who will be decent role players down the road it just does not help us enough...
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Post#1631 » by Half-Full » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:18 pm

Roddy wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Roddy wrote:
Brad is a coach not a magician.

He can hide a 5'8 midget, not sure about a 7'3 guy :tooth


That is fair. I'd also like to add that I'm also concerned about his foot. Foot injuries have been scaring me since 1987.


I like Bol Bol but even if he is available, my favorite big guy is Clarke.

Bruno Fernando could be a nice surprise but I wouldnt take him before #22.

# 14 Clarke
# 20 Herro
# 22 Carsen Edwards


I would be very pleased with this draft. Unlikely to happen, though, as Clarke will not be available at 14, and Herro likely won't be there at 20. If we could trade up to get Clarke (package #14 and #20?), and draft Carsen Edwards at #22, that would be nice.
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Post#1632 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:21 pm

thebirdman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


If we end up with more James Young or Yabusele types, something tells me people will be similarly displeased.

You draft guys that are at the intersection of high ceiling and likelihood to hit that ceiling in your system. Otherwise youre just wasting picks.


Well, I knew when we drafted Yabusele we waisted a pick. I saw him a few times in Europe and I knew he will not be an NBA player...the reason behind it (save cap space for Durant) was terrible, IMO. We could have easily traded out or pick the best prospect available and see what happens in FA.

And I knew when we drafted Olynky we waisted a pick...if you draft Olynyk when you are contending it makes sense if you are rebuilding it does not make sense...

We have three picks...we will not contend next year...and if we draft guys who will be decent role players down the road it just does not help us enough...


I guess my point overall is that I’d rather take a guy who I know will be an NBA player that has a real good chance to be a 8 year starter [like Nickeil Alexander-Walker] than a guy like Kevin Porter Jr, who theoretically has the most upside by is just not going to ever reach it.
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Post#1633 » by sully00 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:53 pm

thebirdman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


If we end up with more James Young or Yabusele types, something tells me people will be similarly displeased.

You draft guys that are at the intersection of high ceiling and likelihood to hit that ceiling in your system. Otherwise youre just wasting picks.


Well, I knew when we drafted Yabusele we waisted a pick. I saw him a few times in Europe and I knew he will not be an NBA player...the reason behind it (save cap space for Durant) was terrible, IMO. We could have easily traded out or pick the best prospect available and see what happens in FA.

And I knew when we drafted Olynky we waisted a pick...if you draft Olynyk when you are contending it makes sense if you are rebuilding it does not make sense...

We have three picks...we will not contend next year...and if we draft guys who will be decent role players down the road it just does not help us enough...


No drafting a player who had to be rostered that season would have been wasting a pick because we would have had to release a guaranteed contract. It was not about cap space it was about roster spots.

There is no reason to approach next season as if you aren't contending. Hayward another year out from his injury Tatum and Brown another year closer to their prime. This negative outlook is just weakness honestly. Its whining that we didn't get a super team screw that.

You look for the homerun at 14 for sure. I would go with a big because it looks like the value but you want the guy their that you thought that has more talent than his draft slot. I would go safe at 20 get someone who can contribute I just really want Cam Johnson out of UNC so he fits that description. I then would reach for the best PG available (barring a run).
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Post#1634 » by sam_I_am » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:09 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Yeah, that's not good...

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Before we call Toronto’s management geniuses, it should be noted that Toronto picked Jakob Poetl 18 spots ahead of Paskal.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#1635 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:10 pm

Every team is looking for the home run. That's why Marc Gasol was drafted at #48 and Nikola Jokic at pick #41. Sometimes one finds homeruns in the strangest places, even Yale.
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Post#1636 » by sam_I_am » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:12 pm

sully00 wrote:
thebirdman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
If we end up with more James Young or Yabusele types, something tells me people will be similarly displeased.

You draft guys that are at the intersection of high ceiling and likelihood to hit that ceiling in your system. Otherwise youre just wasting picks.


Well, I knew when we drafted Yabusele we waisted a pick. I saw him a few times in Europe and I knew he will not be an NBA player...the reason behind it (save cap space for Durant) was terrible, IMO. We could have easily traded out or pick the best prospect available and see what happens in FA.

And I knew when we drafted Olynky we waisted a pick...if you draft Olynyk when you are contending it makes sense if you are rebuilding it does not make sense...

We have three picks...we will not contend next year...and if we draft guys who will be decent role players down the road it just does not help us enough...


No drafting a player who had to be rostered that season would have been wasting a pick because we would have had to release a guaranteed contract. It was not about cap space it was about roster spots.

There is no reason to approach next season as if you aren't contending. Hayward another year out from his injury Tatum and Brown another year closer to their prime. This negative outlook is just weakness honestly. Its whining that we didn't get a super team screw that.

You look for the homerun at 14 for sure. I would go with a big because it looks like the value but you want the guy their that you thought that has more talent than his draft slot. I would go safe at 20 get someone who can contribute I just really want Cam Johnson out of UNC so he fits that description. I then would reach for the best PG available (barring a run).


We should package picks to trade with Atlanta. Give all 3 for their #8 and #35 or #41 or 14/20 for 10/41. Or maybe even 20, 22 and 51 for 17 and 35.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#1637 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:18 pm

So if we move up to #8, who are we taking? I don't see this as a draft to move up, because the player you get at #8 is going to be pretty much the same as the player you get with #14. It's a flat draft. I predict that there will be sliders galore. Reddish will probably slide, also Hayes.
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Post#1638 » by m haynes » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:19 pm

Some of the comments here laughable or if you were the owner extremely upsetting. Picked Yogi for cap space really ! DA fired.
Pick a kid at 20 that 6'2" has a 43 V. That is a complete reach. DA fired. Take Williams last year and still looking for a big this year. DA fired. Lets take players the DA likes and keeps his favorites! Can you say Leonard, DA Fired. I'm sick to death with upside and defense when its comes to players DA management team likes. Marcus Banks, TR, James Young, Fab Melo, Williams . Stop taking players that have no game but plenty of imaginary upside. you reach you take a chance on guy that have game with flaws you can work with, Glen Davis and Jared Sullinger. Greek Freak wasn't upside fantasy he had the one thing that should be ask 1st. Does he know the game. When DA took Melo I threw up. DA fired. I sit on the couch and watch games even I knew he stunk and I bet everyone of you did too!!!!!!!!
I am at the end of the line with waiting. Whats the new plan NOW. FIRE DA.

PS Edwards can shoot lights out, Knows how to play the game. but we want to take a chance maybe, slight chance, hoping we find the next wonder kid, not.

Brads offense shoot threes and than shoot threes for his backup offense shoot threes. What does Edward do better than most shoooooooottttttt threeeeessasss !!!!!!
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Post#1639 » by brackdan70 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:20 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Please draft for upside! Just do not draft "safe"...if we end up with Olynyk type picks it will not get us anywhere…

We need to hit on one of the picks and draft a future all-star...chanches are not great but its time we really nail one...


If we're going after upside Sekou Doumbouya is our guy. Youngest player in the draft, imo has the 2nd highest upside sans Zion.


Would love Sekou. We would have to trade up to at least 9 to get him though I think.
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Post#1640 » by brackdan70 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:23 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:So if we move up to #8, who are we taking? I don't see this as a draft to move up, because the player you get at #8 is going to be pretty much the same as the player you get with #14. It's a flat draft. I predict that there will be sliders galore. Reddish will probably slide, also Hayes.

Sekou is the one guy I would move up for....and that’s a gamble in its own right. High risk high reward.
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