2019 Draft Discussion

[driveandkick]

I don't think we'll be picking #12 Thursday night. If we do I say it's Hayes or Bol, just a wild prediction.

Here's another question: sometimes we take a player we've barely even been linked to. Last year we talked about Miles Bridges as a prospect, but come draft day I don't remember anyone predicting that he was going to be the choice. Do you think we could draft a player at 12 that we're not even talking about much right now. If so, who could it be? I'll say Tyler Herro.

[Rich4114]

No more short wingspans for frontcourt defenders. Out on Clarke.

Samesies. Also no more "great motor and defense but broken jumper" players.

[Rich4114]

I don't think we'll be picking #12 Thursday night. If we do I say it's Hayes or Bol, just a wild prediction.

Here's another question: sometimes we take a player we've barely even been linked to. Last year we talked about Miles Bridges as a prospect, but come draft day I don't remember anyone predicting that he was going to be the choice. Do you think we could draft a player at 12 that we're not even talking about much right now. If so, who could it be? I'll say Tyler Herro.

I thought I remember Miles being linked to us the year before when he pulled out of the draft as well as last year.

[Lwcasu]

I don't think we'll be picking #12 Thursday night. If we do I say it's Hayes or Bol, just a wild prediction.

Here's another question: sometimes we take a player we've barely even been linked to. Last year we talked about Miles Bridges as a prospect, but come draft day I don't remember anyone predicting that he was going to be the choice. Do you think we could draft a player at 12 that we're not even talking about much right now. If so, who could it be? I'll say Tyler Herro.

I thought I remember Miles being linked to us the year before when he pulled out of the draft as well as last year.

He was. I think close to the draft it seemed like Knox (had that workout with Bacon) became more connected, but the fans seemed to really want SGA.

Then we had the draft night fall of Porter, we passed, took SGA, the fans were happy and traded him for Bridges who was kind of polarizing on the board. Seemed like half loved him and half didn’t like the pick.

[Lwcasu]

I don't think we'll be picking #12 Thursday night. If we do I say it's Hayes or Bol, just a wild prediction.

Here's another question: sometimes we take a player we've barely even been linked to. Last year we talked about Miles Bridges as a prospect, but come draft day I don't remember anyone predicting that he was going to be the choice. Do you think we could draft a player at 12 that we're not even talking about much right now. If so, who could it be? I'll say Tyler Herro.

He was discussed. It was pretty obvious we were going SGA or one of the three SFs (Knox or the Bridges). No one really saw Porter dropping that far.

I just don’t see Herro. But that being said this draft is very wide open. Could be someone who drops, Washington, Langford, Clarke, Hayes, Bol Bol, Fernando, Little, NAW, or traded. Looking at the roster center makes sense, but I think everyone is pretty much on board they’d rather have the best player over fit. Definitely wide open this year.

[amcoolio]

Washington has all-star potential. Has the Kawai length, the solid 3 point stroke and he connects from 3. Also has post moves. He'll be picked 11th, no question.

[Lwcasu]

Washington has all-star potential. Has the Kawai length, the solid 3 point stroke and he connects from 3. Also has post moves. He'll be picked 11th, no question.

He has a really nice hook too. He’s probably pulling away as my favorite with Clarke and Bol Bol falling. Not the super sexy pick but probably had a solid all star ceiling.

Lol had to edit my post because of your response at the end he’ll be picked 11. HAHA :/. Probably

[LofJ]

I really, really like Nicolas Claxton. He is nimble and good in space for a big. If he can put on some weight he has good rim protecting and floor stretching potential.

If the team trades back I hope Mitch will target him. He's been moving up draft boards though, so he'll likely be gone by the mid 20s.

[_tijo_]

Just read Coby White's piece on the Player's Tribune. I didn't need to be crying in the middle of the day.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/coby-white-nba-draft

I hope the Hornets somehow trade up for him, or he somehow falls to us. And I'm a State fan.

[cornchip]

If we keep the pick either NAW or Little.

A trade is looking less likely imo. Doesn't seem like anyone is too enamored with the prospects available there and free agency isn't looking as volatile as it was when it seemed like a bunch of teams could use expirings.

[hotrod]

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/13/uniqueness-brandon-clarke/

I’m sorry, but I really like Clarke. I’ve been wondering why so many fans on here and twitter seem to dislike him and so many analytics guys like him. I keep hearing no reach, no shot, limited offense, too short, etc... So I decided to do some of my own research, which means reading others research and decide himself. After watching all the YouTube videos I could find on the guy and reading several articles, the above link was the best one I found. Really good stuff.

[Snidely FC]

Draft week is here, who do you guys think the team will end up taking?

I think we're going to draft Nassir Little at 12 and then trade up from 36 to take a big like Claxton or Kabengele.

Mind you, these are not the guys I want the team to take, but the ones I think they won't be able to resist:

#12 Rui Hachimura
I am worried this guy is like catnip to the Hornets. He's "most NBA ready," read "older" (22). Is a scorer, but averaged only 1 three point shot attempt per game, a non-physical slightly undersized PF who will get bullied by larger NBA players, is a poor defender and passer, yet who the team will view as the future at stretch 4. A high character winner. Sound familiar (Zeller, Kaminsky)? Someone who is a fan of Rui please fill me in on why I should be excited?

#36 Bruno Fernando
Claxton or Kabengele would be great! But if you think the Hornets are going to draft a sexy high-ceiling modern Center you are not looking at the evidence. Who is the only player who worked out for us twice? Yep, in fact I heard Bruno Fernando never left town between workouts (I made that part up). If Bruno is off the board it'll be workout sidekick Daniel Gafford. Mark it down.

#52 Cody Martin
a good two way player from nearby Mocksville NC ...good size, plus defender, excellent playmaker, I like everything about him except of course he can't shoot 3s, which makes him CHA's quintessential choice for SG

[TheKingofSting]

I don't think we'll be picking #12 Thursday night. If we do I say it's Hayes or Bol, just a wild prediction.

Here's another question: sometimes we take a player we've barely even been linked to. Last year we talked about Miles Bridges as a prospect, but come draft day I don't remember anyone predicting that he was going to be the choice. Do you think we could draft a player at 12 that we're not even talking about much right now. If so, who could it be? I'll say Tyler Herro.

Kevin Porter Jr.


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[DY_nasty]

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and can we not ride off HoF player comparisons? realistically, Bol Bol is a mentally tougher skal labissiere type of prospect - and that kid is 3 years away while the Kings definitely have zero problems drafting at his position year after year as well

First Clarke is a young Dennis Rodman and now Bol Bol has shades of Durant

Just

You’re basically trolling me at this point. You put zero actual effort in your response post besides saying one line sentences. You should be warned by a moderator.

I mean it’s one thing to disagree it’s another thing to not back anything up and you’re the one to respond first to every single one of my posts. You have zero respect for other posters too. I’ve seen your post making fun of players names too. You’re a joke and ad 0% to board. The negativity is strong.

if your only frames of comparison are hall of fame players then are you even trying?

bol bol has more in common with mullens than durant

[vexco]

If we stick with our current picks then I'd be okay with Washington or Clarke at 12. I'd like to see a player like Bazley at 36 but I doubt that happens.

[Lwcasu]

First Clarke is a young Dennis Rodman and now Bol Bol has shades of Durant

Just

You’re basically trolling me at this point. You put zero actual effort in your response post besides saying one line sentences. You should be warned by a moderator.

I mean it’s one thing to disagree it’s another thing to not back anything up and you’re the one to respond first to every single one of my posts. You have zero respect for other posters too. I’ve seen your post making fun of players names too. You’re a joke and ad 0% to board. The negativity is strong.

if your only frames of comparison are hall of fame players then are you even trying?

bol bol has more in common with mullens than durant

Seriously Mullen’s than Durant? Care to provide some actual analysis and video background. You’re trolling too. A troll is someone who’s trying to start crap. You’re not backing it up. Back it up. I’ll defend myself all day. At least I provide actual substance in my responses.

They have near identical frames. They both move similarly with the ball. Granted Bol Bol is slower. They both have range. They both have + dimensions.

And for the love of god. Do people not have reading comprehension. I specifically said in multiple posts young Bol Bol to young Durant. So the whole HOF crap is out the window.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2018/11/26/bol-bol-is-an-intriguing-prospect-but-nba-personnel-have-few-comparisons-for-him/amp/

Oh look. Poor mans Kevin Durant. Don’t see anything about Mullins.

[DY_nasty]

You’re basically trolling me at this point. You put zero actual effort in your response post besides saying one line sentences. You should be warned by a moderator.

I mean it’s one thing to disagree it’s another thing to not back anything up and you’re the one to respond first to every single one of my posts. You have zero respect for other posters too. I’ve seen your post making fun of players names too. You’re a joke and ad 0% to board. The negativity is strong.

if your only frames of comparison are hall of fame players then are you even trying?

bol bol has more in common with mullens than durant

Seriously Mullen’s than Durant? Care to provide some actual analysis and video background. You’re trolling too. A troll is someone who’s trying to start crap. You’re not backing it up. Back it up. I’ll defend myself all day. At least I provide actual substance in my responses.

They have near identical frames. They both move similarly with the ball. Granted Bol Bol is slower. They both have range. They both have + dimensions.

And for the love of god. Do people not have reading comprehension. I specifically said in multiple posts young Bol Bol to young Durant. So the whole HOF crap is out the window.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2018/11/26/bol-bol-is-an-intriguing-prospect-but-nba-personnel-have-few-comparisons-for-him/amp/

Oh look. Poor mans Kevin Durant. Don’t see anything about Mullins.

Byron Mullens wasn't some bum that just showed up on our team - he was the #1 rated HS prospect in the country.

He's had the tapes to justify all of that as well lol.

Watch on YouTube

and he's a bum in russia somewhere

There are plenty of bigs that have shown off that same sort of fantasy skill set that never seems to translate. Bol Bol has more in common with Skal, Mullens, etc - jumping straight to arguably the greatest scorer in the league is not just a wholly ridiculous comparison, its straight up lazy. There's NO ONE else to come to mind? cmon you can't expect people to take that kind of stuff serious then get ultra defensive about it.

and you can't expect sports writing outliers from Forbes (its not their specialty at all - may as well go to Best Buy for legal advice or head to a grocery store for basketball shoes) of all places to do anything more than write up anything more than easy to read click bait as they're trying to grow their brand

[Lwcasu]

if your only frames of comparison are hall of fame players then are you even trying?

bol bol has more in common with mullens than durant

Seriously Mullen’s than Durant? Care to provide some actual analysis and video background. You’re trolling too. A troll is someone who’s trying to start crap. You’re not backing it up. Back it up. I’ll defend myself all day. At least I provide actual substance in my responses.

They have near identical frames. They both move similarly with the ball. Granted Bol Bol is slower. They both have range. They both have + dimensions.

And for the love of god. Do people not have reading comprehension. I specifically said in multiple posts young Bol Bol to young Durant. So the whole HOF crap is out the window.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2018/11/26/bol-bol-is-an-intriguing-prospect-but-nba-personnel-have-few-comparisons-for-him/amp/

Oh look. Poor mans Kevin Durant. Don’t see anything about Mullins.

Byron Mullens wasn't some bum that just showed up on our team - he was the #1 rated HS prospect in the country.

He's had the tapes to justify all of that as well lol.

Watch on YouTube

and he's a bum in russia somewhere

There are plenty of bigs that have shown off that same sort of fantasy skill set that never seems to translate. Bol Bol has more in common with Skal, Mullens, etc - jumping straight to arguably the greatest scorer in the league is not just a wholly ridiculous comparison, its straight up lazy. There's NO ONE else to come to mind? cmon you can't expect people to take that kind of stuff serious then get ultra defensive about it.

and you can't expect sports writing outliers from Forbes (its not their specialty at all - may as well go to Best Buy for legal advice or head to a grocery store for basketball shoes) of all places to do anything more than write up anything more than easy to read click bait as they're trying to grow their brand

Well at least you put some thought in your response. I still disagree. First. I’m not comparing players that have a HOF outcome, but the beginning version of that. So please drop that narrative. Young Rodman was a lot different than peak Rodman, just as young Durant was a lot different than peak Durant.

I was very clear in what I said and I was misrepresented through various responses. I’m sorry but if you cherry pick an argument to fit your narrative that’s misrepresentation. If you one line someone consistently who does provide actually examples then you’re trolling. It’s cut, clear, and paste. So sorry if I got a little defensive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/bol-bol-is-almost-here-1830177757/amp

Oh look Deadspin has a comparison to Durant too. Actually if you google search you’ll find plenty. Actually you’ll find pages. Imagine that?

The problem with your whole response is you didn’t actually argue the point once. Just like the other guy who tried to before. Your argument is framed around Byron Mullens and the legitimacy of a source, but none of Bol Bols weaknesses, skills, or actual competitive counter arguments. You just called me lazy but you actually are the epitome of that word.

[JMAC3]

I haven’t read everything from this feud you guys are having, but a few notes.

Bol Bol isn’t even close to Durant, KD is way mode fluid with and without the basketball. He shoots the ball off the dribble and can defend the perimeter.

Bol Bol is slower and his handles are probably worse then Porzingis. He was a catch and shoot three point threat, but he isn’t putting the ball down and cooking anybody off the bounce. None of his threes in college are him shooting off dribble after isolation.

I’ve seen many a high school highlight video of a near 7 footer handle the ball “like KD” and it never ever ever translates.

Go ahead.... look up Noah Vonleh high school highlights, Quincey Miller and the latest one Makur Maker...

I’m sorry but watching him score over 6-7 centers on eastern Washington, Green Bay and Texas southern doesn’t do it for me.

Most importantly factor in the fact he is injury prone, people question his love for the game and will to get better. He doesn’t need the money, his dad was in NBA, so what drives him??? He doesn’t need to buy his momma a house.

He could work out to some degree, but I’m letting someone else eat all that risk... it’s just not worth it to have an anorexic Brook Lopez.


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[Lwcasu]

I haven’t read everything from this feud you guys are having, but a few notes.

Bol Bol isn’t even close to Durant, KD is way mode fluid with and without the basketball. He shoots the ball off the dribble and can defend the perimeter.

Bol Bol is slower and his handles are probably worse then Porzingis. He was a catch and shoot three point threat, but he isn’t putting the ball down and cooking anybody off the bounce. None of his threes in college are him shooting off dribble after isolation.

I’ve seen many a high school highlight video of a near 7 footer handle the ball “like KD” and it never ever ever translates.

Go ahead.... look up Noah Vonleh high school highlights, Quincey Miller and the latest one Makur Maker...

I’m sorry but watching him score over 6-7 centers on eastern Washington, Green Bay and Texas southern doesn’t do it for me.

Most importantly factor in the fact he is injury prone, people question his love for the game and will to get better. He doesn’t need the money, his dad was in NBA, so what drives him??? He doesn’t need to buy his momma a house.

He could work out to some degree, but I’m letting someone else eat all that risk... it’s just not worth it to have an anorexic Brook Lopez.


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See I at least I can respect this. No bashing, thoughtful response. Even if I disagree. That’s the great thing about being fans of this game. We can hold opinions without the one liners with constructive counter arguments.