2019 NBA draft

[brackdan70]

Yeah, that's not good...

Read on Twitter

Before we call Toronto’s management geniuses, it should be noted that Toronto picked Jakob Poetl 18 spots ahead of Paskal.

Also folks need to remember why the Cs picked guys they could stash and traded away the two second rounders (which became the 20th pick this year)

Horford and Durant was a real possibility that year....remember?

[m haynes]

So if we move up to #8, who are we taking? I don't see this as a draft to move up, because the player you get at #8 is going to be pretty much the same as the player you get with #14. It's a flat draft. I predict that there will be sliders galore. Reddish will probably slide, also Hayes.

Sekou is the one guy I would move up for....and that’s a gamble in its own right. High risk high reward.

1st question I ask, can he play the game.

[watsonthedragon]

What do you guys think are the odds we make all 3 picks? Furthermore, what's more likely, trading for future picks, or for players?

[scootch]

I like Goga (and it seems he may be available to us at 14), but I don't know if the projected construction of our roster over the next few years warrants taking a big that slow. Herro, too, seems like he can develop into a great shooter, but his physical limitations (baby T-rex) arms seem to make him more of a role-player. So tough out there at 14.

I would love either at 20 or 22, but I am just unsure of who merits the actual lottery selection. Everyone has warts, and in this draft especially, I have a hard time seeing realizable ceilings. Lottery picks are lottery tickets. I know it sounds crazy, but I think I would probably prefer Porter Jr. to either just because he COULD be elite.

[Curmudgeon]

Doumbouya is the youngest player in the draft. He has the stroke and the athleticism, but will have to learn the rest of basketball. If he slips to 14 I'm taking him, then stashing him for a year. But the chance of his sliding that far is very small.

Me, I'm keeping all 4 picks. I've got my list of guys and I think I'm going to get at least three of them. In order, they are:
With 14, 20, 22:
1. Goga Just a good euro center with an inside game and decent range. Good passer too.
2. Kabengele High upside, also has range. Mutumbo's nephew
3. Thubulle- Best defender in the draft. No close second
4. Samanic-- Most mocks have him too low. He went to Chicago and showed what he could do. 6-11, shoots, defends.
5. Windler-- Indiana kid. Left handed Hayward, but a better shooter than Hayward was in college.

I might take a flyer on someone like Jalen Leque if he impressed me in workouts, but probably not. If he's there at #51, sure. I might also take a flyer on Kevin Porter. "Kevin, why were you suspended for 10 games at USC?" I'd need a satisfactory answer before drafting him. Bol Bol is too much of an injury risk for me. The more he bulks up, the more likely it is that he will reinjure the foot (or injure the other one).

With 51 I'm also looking at:

1. Miye Oni- very underrated. Has every skill
2. Alen Smailagic- One of the best bigs in the D-league
3. Dedrik Lawson-- Went for 19-10 at Kansas as an undersized center. Lost 25 lbs after transferring from Memphis.
4. John Konchar-- Slow, can't jump, short wingspan. But he had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 200 steals in his career. No NCAA player has ever done that before. Excellent defender and very good in the pick and roll.

[sportfan6197]

Doumbouya is the youngest player in the draft. He has the stroke and the athleticism, but will have to learn the rest of basketball. If he slips to 14 I'm taking him, then stashing him for a year. But the chance of his sliding that far is very small.

Me, I'm keeping all 4 picks. I've got my list of guys and I think I'm going to get at least three of them. In order, they are:
With 14, 20, 22:
1. Goga Just a good euro center with an inside game and decent range. Good passer too.
2. Kabengele High upside, also has range. Mutumbo's nephew
3. Thubulle- Best defender in the draft. No close second
4. Samanic-- Most mocks have him too low. He went to Chicago and showed what he could do. 6-11, shoots, defends.
5. Windler-- Indiana kid. Left handed Hayward, but a better shooter than Hayward was in college.

I might take a flyer on someone like Jalen Leque if he impressed me in workouts, but probably not. If he's there at #51, sure. I might also take a flyer on Kevin Porter. "Kevin, why were you suspended for 10 games at USC?" I'd need a satisfactory answer before drafting him. Bol Bol is too much of an injury risk for me. The more he bulks up, the more likely it is that he will reinjure the foot (or injure the other one).

With 51 I'm also looking at:

1. Miye Oni- very underrated. Has every skill
2. Alen Smailagic- One of the best bigs in the D-league
3. Dedrik Lawson-- Went for 19-10 at Kansas as an undersized center. Lost 25 lbs after transferring from Memphis.
4. John Konchar-- Slow, can't jump, short wingspan. But he had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 200 steals in his career. No NCAA player has ever done that before. Excellent defender and very good in the pick and roll.

Yikes. This might be the absolute worst case scenario from Thursday's draft. I hate all of it

We need to go for ONE high upside player, and frankly other than maybe Kabengele i don't see it. Limited offensive upside here apart from the two kids that will be terrible defensively (Goga, Windler), and Thybulle is anemic offensively.

Frankly i wont care too much about 20/22, and Kabengele is a guy i want,Goga at 14 is just such an uninspiring pick and it doesn't get any better after 20 here

[sportfan6197]

I like Goga (and it seems he may be available to us at 14), but I don't know if the projected construction of our roster over the next few years warrants taking a big that slow. Herro, too, seems like he can develop into a great shooter, but his physical limitations (baby T-rex) arms seem to make him more of a role-player. So tough out there at 14.

I would love either at 20 or 22, but I am just unsure of who merits the actual lottery selection. Everyone has warts, and in this draft especially, I have a hard time seeing realizable ceilings. Lottery picks are lottery tickets. I know it sounds crazy, but I think I would probably prefer Porter Jr. to either just because he COULD be elite.

You're not crazy, if anything the overwhelming opinion by people is that Porter has more upside than those two. Langford as well.

Much rather take those guys at 14 and then do whatever at 20.22

[threrf23]

Doumbouya is the youngest player in the draft. He has the stroke and the athleticism, but will have to learn the rest of basketball. If he slips to 14 I'm taking him, then stashing him for a year. But the chance of his sliding that far is very small.

He's like Bol Bol but much less skilled. His statistical production in France was at best comparable to guys like Damien Inglis and Yabu, didn't rebound as well as those guys. In the video I've seen he doesn't look overly smooth or natural, and to top things off we don't know his real age with any real certainty. I'd be pissed if we took him at 22.

If we are stashing someone - Okeke's our guy at 22 IMO.

Me, I'm keeping all 4 picks. I've got my list of guys and I think I'm going to get at least three of them. In order, they are:
With 14, 20, 22:
1. Goga Just a good euro center with an inside game and decent range. Good passer too.
2. Kabengele High upside, also has range. Mutumbo's nephew
3. Thubulle- Best defender in the draft. No close second
4. Samanic-- Most mocks have him too low. He went to Chicago and showed what he could do. 6-11, shoots, defends.
5. Windler-- Indiana kid. Left handed Hayward, but a better shooter than Hayward was in college.

I like Kabengele and to a lesser extent Goga, also Little, Grant Williams, Washington, Fernando - not as much as Keldon Johnson, and Bol Bol. I don't dislike those other guys per se, but I don't think they offer good relative value at 22.

I might take a flyer on someone like Jalen Leque if he impressed me in workouts, but probably not.

Guy was ranked 38th in his HS class as a 5th year senior with tremendous speed and athleticism. By all accounts his game is more style than substance and even those who speak him up seem to acknowledge that they think he is years away from being an NBA player. Good pick at 51 perhaps, but I'd be pissed if we took him at 22.

With 51 I'm also looking at:

Miye Oni- very underrated. Has every skill
2. Alen Smailagic- One of the best bigs in the D-league
3. Dedrik Lawson-- Went for 19-10 at Kansas as an undersized center. Lost 25 lbs after transferring from Memphis.
4. John Konchar-- Slow, can't jump, short wingspan. But he had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 200 steals in his career. No NCAA player has ever done that before. Excellent defender and very good in the pick and roll.

I'm not sure if Oni has any glaring strengths, but he also has no glaring weaknesses, has played well since his freshman year and statistically and physically resembles a viable 3&D guy. His floor is probably something like James Ennis. I like him better than a few of the guys expected to go in the lottery.

Lawson seems too skilled to stay on the board past 51. I presume there are reasons (beyond athleticism/quickness) that nobody seems to care about him, and going back to his freshman year, he shoots a lot for someone who isn't that efficient. But in college he's been an excellent rebounder for his size and athleticism, and that is usually a good sign. As with Oni, his freshman year stats mean more to me than his junior year stats, and they were solid. In terms of combine results, he seems comparable to Reggie Evans and Sully, which suggests he should be able to fill at least some role in the NBA.

[Curmudgeon]

Doumbouya is the youngest player in the draft. He has the stroke and the athleticism, but will have to learn the rest of basketball. If he slips to 14 I'm taking him, then stashing him for a year. But the chance of his sliding that far is very small.

Me, I'm keeping all 4 picks. I've got my list of guys and I think I'm going to get at least three of them. In order, they are:
With 14, 20, 22:
1. Goga Just a good euro center with an inside game and decent range. Good passer too.
2. Kabengele High upside, also has range. Mutumbo's nephew
3. Thubulle- Best defender in the draft. No close second
4. Samanic-- Most mocks have him too low. He went to Chicago and showed what he could do. 6-11, shoots, defends.
5. Windler-- Indiana kid. Left handed Hayward, but a better shooter than Hayward was in college.

I might take a flyer on someone like Jalen Leque if he impressed me in workouts, but probably not. If he's there at #51, sure. I might also take a flyer on Kevin Porter. "Kevin, why were you suspended for 10 games at USC?" I'd need a satisfactory answer before drafting him. Bol Bol is too much of an injury risk for me. The more he bulks up, the more likely it is that he will reinjure the foot (or injure the other one).

With 51 I'm also looking at:

1. Miye Oni- very underrated. Has every skill
2. Alen Smailagic- One of the best bigs in the D-league
3. Dedrik Lawson-- Went for 19-10 at Kansas as an undersized center. Lost 25 lbs after transferring from Memphis.
4. John Konchar-- Slow, can't jump, short wingspan. But he had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 200 steals in his career. No NCAA player has ever done that before. Excellent defender and very good in the pick and roll.

Yikes. This might be the absolute worst case scenario from Thursday's draft. I hate all of it

Well, every one of my first six is going to be a good NBA player. Book it, Dano.

A guy like Reddish, who was the gamma dog on a Duke team that couldn't even make the elite 8, has no interest for me. There are whisperings (from Fran Fraschilla and others) that he doesn't really love the game. I feel the same way about some of the Kentucky guys.

[Curmudgeon]

[

Lawson seems too skilled to stay on the board past 51. I presume there are reasons (beyond athleticism/quickness) that nobody seems to care about him, and going back to his freshman year, he shoots a lot for someone who isn't that efficient. But in college he's been an excellent rebounder for his size and athleticism, and that is usually a good sign.

Lawson went to the combine after his freshman year at Memphis and was terrible. He weighed over 250. He left Memphis (along with half the team) after they hired Tubby Smith in 2017, and transferred to Kansas, where he got himself into shape. He played at 230 last year and as you say he was productive.

[scootch]

With Lecque's second workout, it looks like we'll be giving him our second if he's there, right? We have a history with second workouts.

If that's the case, I would love for us to take some shots at high upside players throughout the entire draft. For me, that means KPJ and Kabengele. That might even allow us to trade 14 for an affordable veteran to add depth to our team. Horford (if he resigns for the 3/$60 that's floating around), Timelord, Baynes, and Kabengele are such a dynamic mix of different types of bigs. KPJ, for all his character "concerns," seems like a good kid who struggled making a few immature decisions. From everything I read and see on him, people seem to believe that he's not going to be an issue if he has the right structure around him.

[taj2133]

Read on Twitter

[FutureIsGreen]

After a few weeks I still want Kabengele, Shittu, and Guy. Media changes nothing for me. Lol

[Darth Celtic]

Doumbouya is the youngest player in the draft. He has the stroke and the athleticism, but will have to learn the rest of basketball. If he slips to 14 I'm taking him, then stashing him for a year. But the chance of his sliding that far is very small.

Me, I'm keeping all 4 picks. I've got my list of guys and I think I'm going to get at least three of them. In order, they are:
With 14, 20, 22:
1. Goga Just a good euro center with an inside game and decent range. Good passer too.
2. Kabengele High upside, also has range. Mutumbo's nephew
3. Thubulle- Best defender in the draft. No close second
4. Samanic-- Most mocks have him too low. He went to Chicago and showed what he could do. 6-11, shoots, defends.
5. Windler-- Indiana kid. Left handed Hayward, but a better shooter than Hayward was in college.

I might take a flyer on someone like Jalen Leque if he impressed me in workouts, but probably not. If he's there at #51, sure. I might also take a flyer on Kevin Porter. "Kevin, why were you suspended for 10 games at USC?" I'd need a satisfactory answer before drafting him. Bol Bol is too much of an injury risk for me. The more he bulks up, the more likely it is that he will reinjure the foot (or injure the other one).

With 51 I'm also looking at:

1. Miye Oni- very underrated. Has every skill
2. Alen Smailagic- One of the best bigs in the D-league
3. Dedrik Lawson-- Went for 19-10 at Kansas as an undersized center. Lost 25 lbs after transferring from Memphis.
4. John Konchar-- Slow, can't jump, short wingspan. But he had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 200 steals in his career. No NCAA player has ever done that before. Excellent defender and very good in the pick and roll.

Yikes. This might be the absolute worst case scenario from Thursday's draft. I hate all of it

Well, every one of my first six is going to be a good NBA player. Book it, Dano.

A guy like Reddish, who was the gamma dog on a Duke team that couldn't even make the elite 8, has no interest for me. There are whisperings (from Fran Fraschilla and others) that he doesn't really love the game. I feel the same way about some of the Kentucky guys.

You do this every year. Some list of college guys who will be good nba players, and 3 years later, I still haven't heard of the guys. They were good college players who were good in college but just don't have it for the NBA for 1 flaw or another. I don't see much different than this list than all the others.

Now, i'm no draft expert, but I think the draft sites who do it for a living have a slightly better opinion on player rankings in the draft.

I would be ok with Goga at 14 or 20.

[watsonthedragon]

How high do you guys think we could trade up with all 3 of our FRPs?

[Darth Celtic]

How high do you guys think we could trade up with all 3 of our FRPs?

Lots of rumors about moving up, but in this years draft, all I ask is "but why?".

Nobody 4-14 really moves the needle of have to trade up for.

[Curmudgeon]

Now, i'm no draft expert, but I think the draft sites who do it for a living have a slightly better opinion on player rankings in the draft.

Nah, they are lemmings. The first half dozen picks tend to be ranked correctly. After that, the number of misses goes up exponentially.

I guess wrong quite a bit, but so do the majority of NBA GMs. I don't see the private workouts or interviews. If I did, I could do better.

At the end of the day Windler, Thybulle and Samanic will be better than many of the guys drafted ahead of them. Windler (outside shooting) and Thybulle (steals, perimeter defense) have one outstanding NBA skill. Samanic is a prototypical stretch 4 who was arguably the best player at the Chicago combine. He was the only Euro there and outplayed everyone at his position.

Let me add that Thybulle's shooting numbers were very close to Smart's in Smart's last year at OK State, except that Thbulle was 8%% from the line against 71% for Smart. Smart's offensive usage was higher, that's all.

Last year I was high on Kurucs. Brunson, and Khyri Thomas. I was right on the first two, and the jury is out on Thomas.

[Celts17Pride]

Read on Twitter

If the Celtics stay at 14 I'm expecting them to draft Tyler Herro. Celtics need shooting now that Irving is probably gone especially for the 2nd unit.

[big-shot-ROB]

Kabengele is really limited. I'd draft Fernando before as he projects to develop a nice outside shot given the flashes and FT% and on top of that brings you glass dominance and competent passing.

I want Ainge to take Doumbouya at 14 is he's there, even if it comes to the expense of losing Herro. Langford should be considered if he's there at 20 too.

When I say value is quite equal between 5 and 25 I say it in a negative way. I could certainly see all picks 10-20 bring nothing to the league much like 2016. Windler, Kabengele, KPJ, Walker, Samanic don't move the needle at all for me. If when 14 arrives Fernando, Herro, Thybulle and Langford are not there, trade back or out automatically.

[Roddy]

Kabengele is really limited. I'd draft Fernando before as he projects to develop a nice outside shot given the flashes and FT% and on top of that brings you glass dominance and competent passing.

I want Ainge to take Doumbouya at 14 is he's there, even if it comes to the expense of losing Herro. Langford should be considered if he's there at 20 too.

I saw Doumbouya played in France a lot, I just see him as a good role player, nothing more. People want to draft him and hope they have the next Giannis or Siakam because he is long and athletic like them...To me he is close to OG Anunoby.

If when 14 arrives Fernando, Herro, Thybulle and Langford are not there, trade back or out automatically.

No love for Bitadze ? We could stash him.