Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 I: Big decisions on the horizon

magicman112 · Post #1401 » by **magicman112** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:39 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Bobby Marks projects Vucevic’s salary at $24M/yr! (on sportscenter)

Better not be coming from us.... Kings or Clippers??

There's an article someone posted up there that said the Kings are unlikely to pursue Vuc.

drsd · Post #1402 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:39 pm

If Orlando signs Vučević to a 3-year 75M deal and Ross to a 4-year 40M deal, in 2020/21 the Magic will start with about 15M in cap room.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1403 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:46 pm

magicman112 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Bobby Marks projects Vucevic’s salary at $24M/yr! (on sportscenter)

Better not be coming from us.... Kings or Clippers??

There's an article someone posted up there that said the Kings are unlikely to pursue Vuc.

I'm going to believe Sam Amick who is as close to the Sac FO as anyone over what random NBC source has to say. Also have to believe anything between now and FA is complete smoke screens because having it leaked out does nothing but possibly drive the price up.

They absolutely have to get a C and could go Dedmon/Lopez route cheaper than Vuc and then get depth. Regardless Kings will be signing a C and Vuc will be on that list for sure.

MoMM · Post #1404 » by **MoMM** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:13 pm

drsd wrote:If Orlando signs Vučević to a 3-year 75M deal and Ross to a 4-year 40M deal, in 2020/21 the Magic will start with about 15M in cap room.

TRoss last contract was a 3-year 31.5M deal and he improved as player since, not sure if we can get him for something like 10M/year.

OrlandoNed · Post #1405 » by **OrlandoNed** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:22 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Disappearing act.......... Vs the Champs........ Hmmmm

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Wasn't as big of a problem for Gordon, who had better games than Vuc AND had to defend Kawhi. Just saying. Gordon looked like he belonged. Looked comfortable in these high-intensity games.

drsd · Post #1406 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:03 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

Gobert will be up for a super-max deal starting at 40M a year

The Jazz will need to commit 200M for a player that NOBODY sees as a top-5 player.

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j-ragg · Post #1407 » by **j-ragg** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:05 pm

Just because someone is eligible for the super max doesn’t mean they’ll get it. Gobert had to be taken off the floor at certain points in the playoffs. No way they even entertain giving him the supermax. The contract they give him still could be ugly, they seem to like him a lot.

drsd · Post #1408 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:21 pm

j-ragg wrote:Just because someone is eligible for the super max doesn’t mean they’ll get it. Gobert had to be taken off the floor at certain points in the playoffs. No way they even entertain giving him the supermax. The contract they give him still could be ugly, they seem to like him a lot.

And-1

Really: he will be sure to fetch a 5-year 150M deal as a floor. Ouch!

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KillMonger · Post #1409 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:37 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Disappearing act.......... Vs the Champs........ Hmmmm

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Wasn't as big of a problem for Gordon, who had better games than Vuc AND had to defend Kawhi. Just saying. Gordon looked like he belonged. Looked comfortable in these high-intensity games.

Well.... I could tell you why that is but I'm kinda busy now, it's not that hard to figure out why Vuc had a tougher time than Gordon.

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Blue_and_Whte · Post #1410 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:44 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Well don't leave me in suspense, how do you think we'll be more competitive without vuc? It's easy to say what you said and dip without explaining anything. How will it work, I'm curious?

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There is absolutely zero chance were more competitive without Vuc. None. Dude literally drug this sorry ass team through the mud into the POs.
If we lose both he and Ross with no plan to add talent, then we instantaneously become a basement dweller in rebuild mode again. To think otherwise is pure nonsense.

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And a Vucevic led offense has reached its peak last season after his disappearing act in the playoffs. A true magician for sure.

which is what you were hoping for so you could finally run your mouth like you are now. It changes absolutely nothing. We still don’t get to the POs without him or Ross. We ran into the eventual champs and he wasn’t the only center to under perform against a Gasol/Toronto defense. Vuc was never an elite talent, this team needed help.

Man Your Vuc hate must have been getting ready to boil over when he was kicking ass all season. I bet You couldn’t wait for him to hit a wall. Omg.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #1411 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:47 pm

Solid Snake wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Disappearing act.......... Vs the Champs........ Hmmmm

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Wasn't as big of a problem for Gordon, who had better games than Vuc AND had to defend Kawhi. Just saying. Gordon looked like he belonged. Looked comfortable in these high-intensity games.
Well.... I could tell you why that is but I'm kinda busy now, it's not that hard to figure out why Vuc had a tougher time than Gordon.

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Toronto knew we wouldn’t win with Gordon being our go to guy. They knew as Vuc goes the team goes so they focused on locking him up knowing nobody else had a chance in hell at beating them. Nobody gives a crap if AG puts up 20 or 25 points. He wasn’t their focus defensively.

VFX · Post #1412 » by **VFX** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:53 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:There is absolutely zero chance were more competitive without Vuc. None. Dude literally drug this sorry ass team through the mud into the POs.
If we lose both he and Ross with no plan to add talent, then we instantaneously become a basement dweller in rebuild mode again. To think otherwise is pure nonsense.

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And a Vucevic led offense has reached its peak last season after his disappearing act in the playoffs. A true magician for sure.
which is what you were hoping for so you could finally run your mouth like you are now. It changes absolutely nothing. We still don’t get to the POs without him or Ross. We ran into the eventual champs and he wasn’t the only center to under perform against a Gasol/Toronto defense. Vuc was never an elite talent, this team needed help.

Man Your Vuc hate must have been getting ready to boil over when he was kicking ass all season. I bet You couldn’t wait for him to hit a wall. Omg.

I have absolutely nothing against Vuc personally and what he’s done for Orlando up to this point. He did shrink in the biggest moment of his career this far. I will argue against keeping him on this roster however. He’s served his purpose and it’s time for WeHam to put their big boy pants on and build a real roster capable of true contention.

OrlandoNed · Post #1413 » by **OrlandoNed** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:58 pm

Solid Snake wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Disappearing act.......... Vs the Champs........ Hmmmm

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Wasn't as big of a problem for Gordon, who had better games than Vuc AND had to defend Kawhi. Just saying. Gordon looked like he belonged. Looked comfortable in these high-intensity games.
Well.... I could tell you why that is but I'm kinda busy now, it's not that hard to figure out why Vuc had a tougher time than Gordon.

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Ok, Gasol completely negated him and they threw an occasional double team at him. Who was Vuc guarding again? Oh yeah a 34 year old Gasol who was the 5th option starter on offense.

PrimeThyme · Post #1414 » by **PrimeThyme** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:08 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

3 year 75M is interesting for Vuc, think the bigger one is TRoss maybe taking a 1 year 14-15M deal which would have to come from a Playoff team maybe LA??

I just don't get this whole "they might not have a choice" narrative. We absolutely have a choice. Being a young developing team who just invested a top 6 draft pick into another center grants us that choice. I don't expect the FO to feel any pressure whatsoever to have to give Vuc a max based on what other teams are offering him. I think they offer him something in the 3 yr/20-22 million dollar range and he can take it or leave it.

KillMonger · Post #1415 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:19 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:Wasn't as big of a problem for Gordon, who had better games than Vuc AND had to defend Kawhi. Just saying. Gordon looked like he belonged. Looked comfortable in these high-intensity games.
Well.... I could tell you why that is but I'm kinda busy now, it's not that hard to figure out why Vuc had a tougher time than Gordon.

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Ok, Gasol completely negated him and they threw an occasional double team at him. Who was Vuc guarding again? Oh yeah a 34 year old Gasol who was the 5th option starter on offense.

Well you can say it matter of a fact like you are but what you said is facts. If the other players stepped up vuc wouldn't have had as much pressure on him. Also stop acting like gasol is chopped liver, he was defensive player of the year not too long ago that doesn't just leave you even at 34. He also played embiid tough too, he doesn't deserve to be undersold just to fit your argument. I've said my piece and I'm done debating I think where I stand is clear.

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OrlandO · Post #1416 » by **OrlandO** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:21 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

3 year 75M is interesting for Vuc, think the bigger one is TRoss maybe taking a 1 year 14-15M deal which would have to come from a Playoff team maybe LA??

I just don't get this whole "they might not have a choice" narrative. We absolutely have a choice. Being a young developing team who just invested a top 6 draft pick into another center grants us that choice. I don't expect the FO to feel any pressure whatsoever to have to give Vuc a max based on what other teams are offering him. I think they offer him something in the 3 yr/20-22 million dollar range and he can take it or leave it.

Considering the opening paragraph arguing to consider both present and future, maybe they meant no choice as in Vuc might choose to leave if another team like the Kings make a big offer. Which site put up this article anyway?

taj2133 · Post #1417 » by **taj2133** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:36 pm

Read on Twitter

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1418 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:38 pm

OrlandO wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

3 year 75M is interesting for Vuc, think the bigger one is TRoss maybe taking a 1 year 14-15M deal which would have to come from a Playoff team maybe LA??

I just don't get this whole "they might not have a choice" narrative. We absolutely have a choice. Being a young developing team who just invested a top 6 draft pick into another center grants us that choice. I don't expect the FO to feel any pressure whatsoever to have to give Vuc a max based on what other teams are offering him. I think they offer him something in the 3 yr/20-22 million dollar range and he can take it or leave it.

Considering the opening paragraph arguing to consider both present and future, maybe they meant no choice as in Vuc might choose to leave if another team like the Kings make a big offer. Which site put up this article anyway?

It's from Bobby Marks ESPN article a month or so ago.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1419 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:39 pm

taj2133 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I've got him going 14.. Boston can plug and play him off the bench and tell Rozier to f off.

taj2133 · Post #1420 » by **taj2133** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:41 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
taj2133 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I've got him going 14.. Boston can plug and play him off the bench and tell Rozier to f off.

I have you guys drafting keldon johnson at 16.

Should we resign Vuc/Ross