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Re: Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread 

Post#101 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:50 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote: Contrary to Begley’s claim, they won’t renounce DLo for Kyrie only.


They might if Kyrie says I'm not coming to share with Russell. Which knowing Kyrie is a real possibility.

I’m pretty sure that if Kyrie gave that sort of ultimatum, Marks would cut off talks. He’s not going to allow Kyrie to dictate moves, exhibit power and undermine culture before he’s signed.

Marks would sell out for Kawhi or a healthy KD. Not for Kyrie.


yeah im not at all buying that Marks would choose Russell over Kyrie. In fact I feel really confident he wouldn't.

It's all theoretical at the moment, but Russell simply isn't good enough to just say nah to a player like Kyrie. Especially since it would effect how future free agents view them.
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Post#102 » by TheNetsFan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:36 pm

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They might if Kyrie says I'm not coming to share with Russell. Which knowing Kyrie is a real possibility.

I’m pretty sure that if Kyrie gave that sort of ultimatum, Marks would cut off talks. He’s not going to allow Kyrie to dictate moves, exhibit power and undermine culture before he’s signed.

Marks would sell out for Kawhi or a healthy KD. Not for Kyrie.


yeah im not at all buying that Marks would choose Russell over Kyrie. In fact I feel really confident he wouldn't.

It's all theoretical at the moment, but Russell simply isn't good enough to just say nah to a player like Kyrie. Especially since it would effect how future free agents view them.

But Kyrie is not good enough to allow to dictate roster decisions. It’s a moot point, because I doubt Kyrie would insist on pushing DLo out without a 2nd star willing to come.
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Re: Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread 

Post#103 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:32 pm

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They might if Kyrie says I'm not coming to share with Russell. Which knowing Kyrie is a real possibility.

I’m pretty sure that if Kyrie gave that sort of ultimatum, Marks would cut off talks. He’s not going to allow Kyrie to dictate moves, exhibit power and undermine culture before he’s signed.

Marks would sell out for Kawhi or a healthy KD. Not for Kyrie.


yeah im not at all buying that Marks would choose Russell over Kyrie. In fact I feel really confident he wouldn't.

It's all theoretical at the moment, but Russell simply isn't good enough to just say nah to a player like Kyrie. Especially since it would effect how future free agents view them.


Both guys are essentially 30% or more usage rate type players. That’s just real hard to integrate, and I’m not really sure that Kyrie would work to make that happen with a DLo vs a Durant or even a Tobias or Butler.
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Post#104 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:34 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:I’m pretty sure that if Kyrie gave that sort of ultimatum, Marks would cut off talks. He’s not going to allow Kyrie to dictate moves, exhibit power and undermine culture before he’s signed.

Marks would sell out for Kawhi or a healthy KD. Not for Kyrie.


yeah im not at all buying that Marks would choose Russell over Kyrie. In fact I feel really confident he wouldn't.

It's all theoretical at the moment, but Russell simply isn't good enough to just say nah to a player like Kyrie. Especially since it would effect how future free agents view them.


Both guys are essentially 30% or more usage rate type players. That’s just real hard to integrate, and I’m not really sure that Kyrie would work to make that happen with a DLo vs a Durant or even a Tobias or Butler.


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Post#106 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:27 pm

Sounding more and more like Irving is still going to Brooklyn and Russell is gone regardless. Also, sounds like KD could still be a possibility as well.

Also in there is Pacers rumored interest in D.Lo. per Begley who first reported that D.Lo is likely gone.

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Post#107 » by codydaze » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:26 pm

Doesn't look like we'll be throwing money at Vuc, I'm holding out hope we go after Dedmon.

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Post#108 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:37 pm

Irving alone isn't going to begin that Nets team anywhere. They should stay the course with DLo unless inking Irving greatly increases their chance at KD.
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Post#110 » by pacers33granger » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:40 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Irving alone isn't going to begin that Nets team anywhere. They should stay the course with DLo unless inking Irving greatly increases their chance at KD.


A maxed Russell is a questionable deal and may not have much, if any, positive value on the trade market. If he doesn't work with Kyrie (which is not farfetched in the least), then they've just saddled themselves with a contract that may be tough to move.

I personally still think they should keep Russell but the argument against it if Kyrie is coming makes sense.
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Post#111 » by Jon1798 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:41 pm

Jazz with Conley are going to be very tough to handle if that’s what happens.

I have zero feeling what Vuc’s market is going to look like.
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Post#112 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:47 pm

Conley to Utah makes so much sense and looks great on paper.
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Post#113 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:16 pm

Jon1798 wrote:Jazz with Conley are going to be very tough to handle if that’s what happens.

I have zero feeling what Vuc’s market is going to look like.


Vuc could hit on a team that misses on 1st 2nd options and decides to throw $ rather then spend on 2-3 guys for depth. Big Money to Vuc screams of desperate GM trying to save his job/show improvement/get into playoffs.
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Post#114 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:26 pm

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Jon1798 wrote:Jazz with Conley are going to be very tough to handle if that’s what happens.

I have zero feeling what Vuc’s market is going to look like.


Vuc could hit on a team that misses on 1st 2nd options and decides to throw $ rather then spend on 2-3 guys for depth. Big Money to Vuc screams of desperate GM trying to save his job/show improvement/get into playoffs.



I have no issue with a team throwing huge money at Vuc, if it’s for one or two years. A huge 4 year offer is probably what you’re describing; a GM trying to save his job.
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Post#115 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:38 pm

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Jon1798 wrote:Jazz with Conley are going to be very tough to handle if that’s what happens.

I have zero feeling what Vuc’s market is going to look like.


Vuc could hit on a team that misses on 1st 2nd options and decides to throw $ rather then spend on 2-3 guys for depth. Big Money to Vuc screams of desperate GM trying to save his job/show improvement/get into playoffs.



I have no issue with a team throwing huge money at Vuc, if it’s for one or two years. A huge 4 year offer is probably what you’re describing; a GM trying to save his job.


I don't see Vuc taking a 1or2 year deal unless it's from a contender. This is the dudes 1st chance to get paid and with all these teams having $$ someone is bound to offer something like 4 year 90-100M.
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Post#116 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
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Vuc could hit on a team that misses on 1st 2nd options and decides to throw $ rather then spend on 2-3 guys for depth. Big Money to Vuc screams of desperate GM trying to save his job/show improvement/get into playoffs.



I have no issue with a team throwing huge money at Vuc, if it’s for one or two years. A huge 4 year offer is probably what you’re describing; a GM trying to save his job.


I don't see Vuc taking a 1or2 year deal unless it's from a contender. This is the dudes 1st chance to get paid and with all these teams having $$ someone is bound to offer something like 4 year 90-100M.


I agree in theory. I just think that a huge one or two year offer may be close to what he'd make over 3 or even 4 years. I think teams would be willing to pay him more for a shorter term, to a large extent. Say, he could make 2/40 instead of 3/45.
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Post#117 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:44 pm

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I have no issue with a team throwing huge money at Vuc, if it’s for one or two years. A huge 4 year offer is probably what you’re describing; a GM trying to save his job.


I don't see Vuc taking a 1or2 year deal unless it's from a contender. This is the dudes 1st chance to get paid and with all these teams having $$ someone is bound to offer something like 4 year 90-100M.


I agree in theory. I just think that a huge one or two year offer may be close to what he'd make over 3 or even 4 years. I think teams would be willing to pay him more for a shorter term, to a large extent. Say, he could make 2/40 instead of 3/45.


That's where it would depend on who that 2/40 is coming from. Would he feel like he would finish those 2 years at said team or be traded if that 1st year doesn't work out.

Would 2 year 40 from Orlando be as attractive as 3 year 45 from any other team. If Bamba makes strides you're back on the block? Really wonder if Vuc would try to finesse a no trade clause into a contract with Orlando
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Post#118 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:55 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
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I don't see Vuc taking a 1or2 year deal unless it's from a contender. This is the dudes 1st chance to get paid and with all these teams having $$ someone is bound to offer something like 4 year 90-100M.


I agree in theory. I just think that a huge one or two year offer may be close to what he'd make over 3 or even 4 years. I think teams would be willing to pay him more for a shorter term, to a large extent. Say, he could make 2/40 instead of 3/45.


That's where it would depend on who that 2/40 is coming from. Would he feel like he would finish those 2 years at said team or be traded if that 1st year doesn't work out.

Would 2 year 40 from Orlando be as attractive as 3 year 45 from any other team. If Bamba makes strides you're back on the block? Really wonder if Vuc would try to finesse a no trade clause into a contract with Orlando


I think the 2/$40m would make more sense, as I imagine he'd bet pretty solidly on himself that he could make more than $5m in the first year of his next deal.

As for finessing a no-trade, I imagine Orlando would only offer that if they got a heckuva sweetheart deal themselves, and Vuc agreed to like a 4/32m or something.
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Post#119 » by tiderulz » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:58 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
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I don't see Vuc taking a 1or2 year deal unless it's from a contender. This is the dudes 1st chance to get paid and with all these teams having $$ someone is bound to offer something like 4 year 90-100M.


I agree in theory. I just think that a huge one or two year offer may be close to what he'd make over 3 or even 4 years. I think teams would be willing to pay him more for a shorter term, to a large extent. Say, he could make 2/40 instead of 3/45.


That's where it would depend on who that 2/40 is coming from. Would he feel like he would finish those 2 years at said team or be traded if that 1st year doesn't work out.

Would 2 year 40 from Orlando be as attractive as 3 year 45 from any other team. If Bamba makes strides you're back on the block? Really wonder if Vuc would try to finesse a no trade clause into a contract with Orlando

gotta beleive the ORlando one is. He could make only $10mil the next year and make more than that 3yr deal
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