Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2

[Edug27]

Like you said we'll find out soon enough. That said, now I think Danny would be a fool to promise Terry anything because he doesn't have to. Terry has no leverage. If he ends up playing better, he plays better but his resigning shouldn't signal anything else. He was the only player on the team last year with a negative plus/minus rating. He was bad at basketball last year.

I don't think he'll promise anything. I just think it's common knowledge that Rozier is better suited for the starting PG role.. and will be resigned with intentions of making him that.

Not sure why it would be common knowledge. Terry is a lot like Kyrie. He does a lot of the things Kyrie does. He's just a s**tload worse at doing them. All the problems people blames Kyrie for will be revisited with Terry if he remains the starter for long periods of time.

Disagree. Per usual.

Also - Kyrie shouldn't be blamed for anything this season other than his moody personality and lack of accountability. But in regards to his on court play - Give me a break. Fans just complaining to complain.

[Tyakack]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

Yes, brad does well with teams that have no chance at winning a title. For whatever that's worth. I don't think it's worth much, personally.

[MagicBagley18]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

absolutely brad thrives in that style of team...and yes we can win 45-50 games but in terms of beating the top teams in the league we aren't going to be able to beat top end talent. in many ways it very similar to the IT teams. we can play smart physical hard nosed ball but then when we make it to the elite teams we will get smacked.

whether its in the ECF or finals.

I mean what teams are considered top teams right now? Bucks need middleton lopez brogdon back ( don't have money for all 3 ). Leonard is 50/50 IMO with the raptors. 76ers may lose butler and Harris. I understand kyrie is who he is but i don't think he fit brads system. With the uncertainty of so many top FA the east could very well be wide open.

bucks just smoked us and will bring back middleton and giannis will get better....rockets will still be good and the lakers will be real good also.

i have no interest in getting smacked around in the finals or ecf like we used to with those IT teams

[Darth Celtic]

One guy I would love to get is patrick beverly. Idk numbers wise if it could work, but id love him on this team

We could offer 9M MLE.

[RajonsGotARondo]

One guy I would love to get is patrick beverly. Idk numbers wise if it could work, but id love him on this team

We could offer 9M MLE.

What’s everyone’s opinion on PB? What do you think he’ll be seeking money wise? I really think he’d be a great fit.

[SmartWentCrazy]

[Charania] Davis had no interest in playing a single game for Boston……Still, the Celtics engaged with New Orleans over the course of the past week. They were open to discussing Jayson Tatum and the future Memphis first-round pick but not in the same offer, sources said.

Apparently he told the same to Brooklyn. He must really not like Kyrie either

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't think he'll promise anything. I just think it's common knowledge that Rozier is better suited for the starting PG role.. and will be resigned with intentions of making him that.

Not sure why it would be common knowledge. Terry is a lot like Kyrie. He does a lot of the things Kyrie does. He's just a s**tload worse at doing them. All the problems people blames Kyrie for will be revisited with Terry if he remains the starter for long periods of time.

Disagree. Per usual.

Also - Kyrie shouldn't be blamed for anything this season other than his moody personality and lack of accountability. But in regards to his on court play - Give me a break. Fans just complaining to complain.

Check my tape man. I had no issues with Kyrie's play all year. You're barking up the wrong tree. I wanted to keep Kyrie. I'm just saying that Terry is the generic version of Kyrie. You're certainly not gonna get an All-NBA season out of Terry Rozier. You will get a front row seat for a player that played selfish basketball last year whether you want to admit that or not.

And just so we're clear, you disagree that Terry won't be blamed for jacking up shots when Tatum calls for the ball?

[gocelts]

No pressure on the Nets. They've been bad for so long that the expectation won't be to win a ring for at least 2 seasons.

[GotDaSauce]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

absolutely brad thrives in that style of team...and yes we can win 45-50 games but in terms of beating the top teams in the league we aren't going to be able to beat top end talent. in many ways it very similar to the IT teams. we can play smart physical hard nosed ball but then when we make it to the elite teams we will get smacked.

whether its in the ECF or finals.

Basically Utah East! I'll pass on that! We need to get another star in here in the next two years to play with Tatum.

[Edug27]

Not sure why it would be common knowledge. Terry is a lot like Kyrie. He does a lot of the things Kyrie does. He's just a s**tload worse at doing them. All the problems people blames Kyrie for will be revisited with Terry if he remains the starter for long periods of time.

Disagree. Per usual.

Also - Kyrie shouldn't be blamed for anything this season other than his moody personality and lack of accountability. But in regards to his on court play - Give me a break. Fans just complaining to complain.

Check my tape man. I had no issues with Kyrie's play all year. You're barking up the wrong tree. I wanted to keep Kyrie. I'm just saying that Terry is the generic version of Kyrie. You're certainly not gonna get an All-NBA season out of Terry Rozier. You will get a front row seat for a player that played selfish basketball last year whether you want to admit that or not.

Never said you had issues. I'm replying to your "all the problems people blame Kyrie for..." comment. I'm replying to those "people".

I just have higher expectations for Terry next season than you do. He doesn't need to be All NBA... or even an All Star. He just needs to be a good starting point guard for the Boston Celtics.... as Kyrie was last season. I expect Terry to blossom. I expect him to buy into his role and I expect the entire mood of the team to be better post Kyrie.

[SmartWentCrazy]

No pressure on the Nets. They've been bad for so long that the expectation won't be to win a ring for at least 2 seasons.

Lol, sure. The Nets made the playoffs and just signed at least one max player— the NY Media will 100% declare this season ‘ECFs or bust’.

[MagicBagley18]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

absolutely brad thrives in that style of team...and yes we can win 45-50 games but in terms of beating the top teams in the league we aren't going to be able to beat top end talent. in many ways it very similar to the IT teams. we can play smart physical hard nosed ball but then when we make it to the elite teams we will get smacked.

whether its in the ECF or finals.

Basically Utah East! I'll pass on that! We need to get another star in here in the next two years to play with Tatum.

build around tatum let him become a star....no huge domino's are falling in the nba for awhile and if they did now with many of our assets used it will cost us gutting the roster. stay patient let tatum thrive. it's time to focus on the longer term

[StojkoVrankovic]

No pressure on the Nets. They've been bad for so long that the expectation won't be to win a ring for at least 2 seasons.

Lol, sure. The Nets made the playoffs and just signed at least one max player— the NY Media will 100% declare this season ‘ECFs or bust’.

It will take at least a season for the media and everyone else to remember there is a team in Brooklyn

[Disinformation]

Moving company at kyries house in weston,Ma moving all his stuff to NY

Still trying to figure out how the nets situation will be different than what he had here.

Well for this year anyway until he plays with KD.

I honestly think Kyrie cares more about his entertainment career and working on his brand than he does about winning a title at this point. I think after the past two years he realizes it takes more than talent to be "the man" on a contender and he's not interested in doing the work.

[Darth Celtic]

Well, somebody brought up something I wasn't thinking of because I was fully on the build with the youth strat now as trading for all stars over the last 3 years has failed terribly. Danny could never get the right 3 together due to Haywards injury and Kyrie not wanting to see if he comes back 100% ever.

If we are going to continue what he's been doing, and build value with the picks and young players, we would need salary for trade.

horford at 20m a year is easily moved. We need to keep Morris/Rozier and sign a full MLE guy for 2-3 year deals, 4 for Terry so we can do it without trading JT/JB and Smart all included. So rozier 4 year 50m, Morris 2 year 30m, and Full MLE for 2 years 9.4m a year.

That will make it easier next trade deadline when someone shakes loose.

So i've flip flopped on Morris now. He shouldn't stay to help us win 2 more games, he should stay to be traded next year on an expiring deal.

[bucknersrevenge]

Disagree. Per usual.

Also - Kyrie shouldn't be blamed for anything this season other than his moody personality and lack of accountability. But in regards to his on court play - Give me a break. Fans just complaining to complain.

Check my tape man. I had no issues with Kyrie's play all year. You're barking up the wrong tree. I wanted to keep Kyrie. I'm just saying that Terry is the generic version of Kyrie. You're certainly not gonna get an All-NBA season out of Terry Rozier. You will get a front row seat for a player that played selfish basketball last year whether you want to admit that or not.

Never said you had issues. I'm replying to your "all the problems people blame Kyrie for..." comment. I'm replying to those "people".

I just have higher expectations for Terry next season than you do. He doesn't need to be All NBA... or even an All Star. He just needs to be a good starting point guard for the Boston Celtics.... as Kyrie was last season. I expect Terry to blossom. I expect him to buy into his role and I expect the entire mood of the team to be better post Kyrie.

Don't know if I agree but I do respect the opinion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[jfs1000d]

I'd resign Al, 3/70, match Rozier on anything under 12 million. Similar offer for Morris.

Bring back nearly the same team + draft picks and laugh once it wins more games than the Lakers and whatever team Kyrie picks.

I'd also keep an eye out for Blake Griffin at the deadline. Brown + Rozier at around 12-14 million a year, Yabu and the 14th pick after we sign him should get us close ish salary wise.

Smart, Hayward, Tatum, Griffin and Horford would be nice.

You know the Celtics are in a bad spot when the denial of such fans is causing them to make such statements as implying that we will be better than the Lakers with LeBron and Anthony Davis

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It’s just the denial phase. Acceptance is the next phase and once we do that everything will get better. Celtics fans 2 most hated things 1) lakers 2) Lebron and now they are combined but not the clown show we thought but legit contenders and it pisses everyone off (including myself). Sucks to watch our rivals become contenders and better than us by almost doing virtually everything wrong.

Long term the Celtics will be fine. I’ve rooted for them in much darker days like we all have and we will all do again but there’s no doubt this is just the nightmare scenario for us. We have no defined path, lost our best asset for nothing and our best free agent signing ever has been decimated by injury and we are hoping and praying he comes back CLOSE to pre-Injury form and no real flexibility moving forward.

We have tatum Which is a better start to a rebuild than most rebuilds begin with (which is the way I’d lean but don’t think management will) and the Memphis pick so in The end I have confidence in ownership and management to get it right but IMO the next few years will be tough if we don’t pick a defined path and try to stray the middle.

still trust in ainge but I can understand those tho are doubting him now and I understand the anger some have here.

Denying what?

Lakers are title contenders for the next 2 years. We aren’t.

We were title contenders this year. We internally exploded and had a disastrous year. Everything that could have went wrong, did. Starts with Kyrie, which made it impossible to get AD.

But, the team is going to very good next year. Not great, but I think on the level of the Pacers. I think we won’t be as good as Bucks and 76ers, clearly.

Kawahi is gone, so we will be on the level of Pacers, Raptors (siakim, Lowry, ibaka decent), and maybe nets if they add to Kyrie. If they don’t, Nets will be 8th seed level.

We are still better than Charlotte, pistons etc. in my opinion.



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[Edug27]

Check my tape man. I had no issues with Kyrie's play all year. You're barking up the wrong tree. I wanted to keep Kyrie. I'm just saying that Terry is the generic version of Kyrie. You're certainly not gonna get an All-NBA season out of Terry Rozier. You will get a front row seat for a player that played selfish basketball last year whether you want to admit that or not.

Never said you had issues. I'm replying to your "all the problems people blame Kyrie for..." comment. I'm replying to those "people".

I just have higher expectations for Terry next season than you do. He doesn't need to be All NBA... or even an All Star. He just needs to be a good starting point guard for the Boston Celtics.... as Kyrie was last season. I expect Terry to blossom. I expect him to buy into his role and I expect the entire mood of the team to be better post Kyrie.

Don't know if I agree but I do respect the opinion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Now... I never said the team would be better, lol. I just think the mood will improve, and our young dudes will have a better chance to develop.

[MaxwellSmart]

Leonard should stay with the Raps.

[taj2133]

According to Shams Charania of The Athletic, Kyrie Irving will meet with Celtics officials soon to discuss his future.
Shams adds that a meeting could take place prior to Thursday's draft as the Celtics seek some clarity ahead of his free agency. Brooklyn is still the favorite to sign Irving and Sam Amick of The Athletic reported that the Lakers are still "in play," so it's no surprise that the Celtics aren't optimistic about their chances of keeping the superstar PG.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball