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[Saberestar]

Really he only counts about $800K against the cap because if you renounce his rights needs to be replaced on the roster with a minimum contract player which is $800K of cap space. Not worth renouncing in my opinion.

The problem would be the next few years. His contract after next season can be a relatively bad contract.

Imagine that he gets from us a contract around $18M / 3 years...yeah, a realistic contract. I wouldn't be comfortable with that contract just because he only counts $800K against the cap this next season...life continues after that year.

I wouldn't give him near that. Maybe more like $7/2 years or perhaps more than half that for just 1 year.

Oh yeah, in that case I would sign him too. But I think he is gonna get a bigger contract.

[bwgood77]

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

Garbage? Lol....Warren doesn't exactly have great percieved value around the league, Also doesn't look to be figuring into the team's long term plans either. And with all due respect, Hunter is honestly what we hope that Warren could someday become. A defensive wing ( 3,4) that csn hit threes. Hunter is Warren now, But younger, cheaper and actually would be a great defender.

And with Clarke, we would actually have a genuine weakside shotblocking 4 that can cover Aytons' deficiencies. Again, adding those two would give up incredible defense and versatility at the 2-4. We'd have 2 ELITE perimeter defenders in Bridges and Hunter. And a potentially Elite rim protector next to Ayton.

Exactly how is it that in trading a player who is oft injured and has relatively low percieved value around the league for a wing player who is younger, cheaper, plays much better defense, has a championship pedigree, and averaged over 40% 3 point shooting equate to garbage???

It's become quite trendy.

Also, it's become trendy because outside of our core players ( Booker/Ayton/ Bridges/ and Oubre) None of which will be traded obviously, He's our only AVAILABLE asset without negative value ( Jackson). Which again is why you are hearing about him being involved in trade packages.

As much as everyone hates the idea of bringing in more rookies, this is a perfect example of why it's important to add low cost talent through the draft. Because we need to replenish our asset pool. And when we do this, Then we won't have to be forced to make decisions regarding productive veteran's such as Warren, because we'll actually have other available options.

Yeah, but you don't get responses to your proposals for more picks because Jones has made it clear he doesn't want to rely on rookies to be contributors in year one. He is highly unlikely to bring in more than our first and second round picks, if he even keeps both of those.

[Saberestar]

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On Monday, The Athletic reported Warren, Jackson and the No. 6 overall pick were on the trading block, which isn't surprising, however, NBA sources told The Republic the two Suns and their first-round pick weren't available.

Warren and Jackson were in trade news before the Feb. 7 trade deadline, but NBA sources told The Republic at the time neither were on the block.

They weren't traded and remained with Phoenix the rest of the season.

[grumpysaddle]

Garbage? Lol....Warren doesn't exactly have great percieved value around the league, Also doesn't look to be figuring into the team's long term plans either. And with all due respect, Hunter is honestly what we hope that Warren could someday become. A defensive wing ( 3,4) that csn hit threes. Hunter is Warren now, But younger, cheaper and actually would be a great defender.

And with Clarke, we would actually have a genuine weakside shotblocking 4 that can cover Aytons' deficiencies. Again, adding those two would give up incredible defense and versatility at the 2-4. We'd have 2 ELITE perimeter defenders in Bridges and Hunter. And a potentially Elite rim protector next to Ayton.

Exactly how is it that in trading a player who is oft injured and has relatively low percieved value around the league for a wing player who is younger, cheaper, plays much better defense, has a championship pedigree, and averaged over 40% 3 point shooting equate to garbage???

It's become quite trendy.

Also, it's become trendy because outside of our core players ( Booker/Ayton/ Bridges/ and Oubre) None of which will be traded obviously, He's our only AVAILABLE asset without negative value ( Jackson). Which again is why you are hearing about him being involved in trade packages.

As much as everyone hates the idea of bringing in more rookies, this is a perfect example of why it's important to add low cost talent through the draft. Because we need to replenish our asset pool. And when we do this, Then we won't have to be forced to make decisions regarding productive veteran's such as Warren, because we'll actually have other available options.

Yeah, but you don't get responses to your proposals for more picks because Jones has made it clear he doesn't want to rely on rookies to be contributors in year one. He is highly unlikely to bring in more than our first and second round picks, if he even keeps both of those.

They're also always low picks in a crappy draft year. No thanks.

[bwgood77]

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LOL, fun times.

[Sunsdeuce]

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On Monday, The Athletic reported Warren, Jackson and the No. 6 overall pick were on the trading block, which isn't surprising, however, NBA sources told The Republic the two Suns and their first-round pick weren't available.

Warren and Jackson were in trade news before the Feb. 7 trade deadline, but NBA sources told The Republic at the time neither were on the block.

They weren't traded and remained with Phoenix the rest of the season.

Duane Rankin is trash. Like the worst writer Azcentral has ever employed.

[Ghost of Kleine]

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

It's become quite trendy.

Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala

Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas

Honestly, it's not just a cash dump, as the returning value is additionally in us getting the 9th pick. The reality, whether people accept it or not is that the front office plans to move Warren and Jackson obviously.As for his value, If you guys just enquire around, You'll find that warren's value amongst those outside this fanbase is not that great. Don't believe me, just ask?

We don't have nearly enough value in our current assets to trade for Beal without giving up Bridges/ Warren/ and a ton of picks. Which is why I included Warren for the 9th pick and the additional cap space that the trade offers.

Ball isn't an option. If the Pels trade for Beal, it's going to have Ball going to Washington. Otherwise Griffin will play him alongside of Holiday. Who also isn't getting moved, as Griffin has himself mentioned consistently.

I've asked for anyone to offer better trade options without involving Warren to improve our roster, I'm fine with being wrong, just show me how? But have yet to hear anyone's answer. Also if there's a way to improve our roster whilst still keeping Warren, show me please? I understand that he's highly valued here. Again, warren is currently our only available trade chip with value, Hence his constant trade inclusions.

As I propose often, If we were just willing to add additional talent ( assets) through the draft, Then perhaps we could afford to withhold Warren from being included in trades. But as it currently stands, we don't have such additional assets to offer in his stead. That's just the reality of the situation.

I'm just being a realist, I said a while back that he'd likely be moved, due to Oubres' emergence, Bridges being a core player as well as the need for balancing the team. All the reports that are coming out pretty much substantiate the front offices interest in this.

However unpleasant this reality may be for some to digest, it's going to happen. So at some point it makes sense to accept it.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

guys, would phoenix be interested in expiring contract as part of the deal for tj warren

i really think blazers could go after him (if he really is on the block)

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[TeamTragic]

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Love how our front office has been trolling

[bwgood77]

It's become quite trendy.

Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala

Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas

Honestly, it's not just a cash dump, as the returning value is additionally in us getting the 9th pick. The reality, whether people accept it is that the front office plans to move Warren and Jackson obviously. But if you enquire around, Warren's value amongst those outside this fanbase is not that great. Don't believe me, just ask?

We don't have nearly enough value in our current assets to trade for Beal without giving up Bridges/ Warren/ and a ton of picks. Ball isn't an option. If the Pels trade for Beal, it's going to have Ball going to Washington. Otherwise Griffin will play him alongside of Holiday. Who also isn't getting moved.

I've asked for anyone to offer better trade options without involving Warren to improve our roster. But have yet to hear anyone's answer. Also if there's a way to improve our roster whilst still keeping Warren, show me please? I understand that he's highly valued here.

But I'm just being a realist, I said a while back that he'd likely be moved, due to Oubres' emergence, Bridges being a core player as well as the need for balancing the team. All the reports that are coming out pretty much substantiate the front offices interest in this.

However unpleasant this reality may be for some to digest, it's going to happen. So at some point it makes sense to accept it.

Sure there is a good chance it happens. But EVERYTHING you read is speculation. Of course it makes logical sense that with Bridges here and if they are keeping Oubre, that JJ and/or TJ might be available if we can address other areas of need. But the front office themselves have made it abundantly clear (no speculation) that they want players that can play now. So trading TJ for a mid or late first rounder doesn't make sense unless they have some FA already lined up to sign who is an upgrade for him, and then that would happen after the draft anyway, so these picks will already have been made. TJ does address a need too, our need for 3 pt shooting, so moving him out makes us even worse in an area we already league worst.

Shams has reported that we have talked with others about those players and the 6 pick...his sources are almost suredly from the other teams. Stuff like that could also mean a team called about one of our players, we said no thanks on their proposed deal, and that other team leaked THAT discussion to Shams, one in where we turned down a proposed deal from a team.

[BobbieL]

It's become quite trendy.

Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala

Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas

Honestly, it's not just a cash dump, as the returning value is additionally in us getting the 9th pick. The reality, whether people accept it is that the front office plans to move Warren and Jackson obviously. But if you enquire around, Warren's value amongst those outside this fanbase is not that great. Don't believe me, just ask?

We don't have nearly enough value in our current assets to trade for Beal without giving up Bridges/ Warren/ and a ton of picks. Ball isn't an option. If the Pels trade for Beal, it's going to have Ball going to Washington. Otherwise Griffin will play him alongside of Holiday. Who also isn't getting moved.

I've asked for anyone to offer better trade options without involving Warren to improve our roster. But have yet to hear anyone's answer. Also if there's a way to improve our roster whilst still keeping Warren, show me please? I understand that he's highly valued here.

But I'm just being a realist, I said a while back that he'd likely be moved, due to Oubres' emergence, Bridges being a core player as well as the need for balancing the team. All the reports that are coming out pretty much substantiate the front offices interest in this.

However unpleasant this reality may be for some to digest, it's going to happen. So at some point it makes sense to accept it.

I understood the trades completely. Just like what BWG said - I would rather do these trades if a deal were happening and not 7-10 days before free agency and than strike out in free agency. Warren is a good player in the NBA. Josh - well, maybe he will be but I know Warren can bring value with his ability to score.

I too had trouble coming up with trades for Warren.

[bwgood77]

guys, would phoenix be interested in expiring contract as part of the deal for tj warren

i really think blazers could go after him (if he really is on the block)

Who? Probably not, but if so, only if the player is useful. They would likely want cap space now.

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[darealjuice]

Lol I give up with these rumors

[oddity]

guys, would phoenix be interested in expiring contract as part of the deal for tj warren

i really think blazers could go after him (if he really is on the block)

TJ would be a good fit for the Blazers, but you guys don't have too many assets we could use.

[WeekapaugGroove]

guys, would phoenix be interested in expiring contract as part of the deal for tj warren

i really think blazers could go after him (if he really is on the block)

TJ would be a good fit for the Blazers, but you guys don't have too many assets we could use.

I'd be down for an Aminu sign and trade. Obviously Aminu would have to want to come here.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Lol I give up with these rumors

I'm always a little torn this time of year. Like my logical brain knows that it's prime lying season and like 95% of what we hear right now is complete BS. But it's also fun to come here and speculate when little rumors drop

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Garbage? Lol....Warren doesn't exactly have great percieved value around the league, Also doesn't look to be figuring into the team's long term plans either. And with all due respect, Hunter is honestly what we hope that Warren could someday become. A defensive wing ( 3,4) that csn hit threes. Hunter is Warren now, But younger, cheaper and actually would be a great defender.

And with Clarke, we would actually have a genuine weakside shotblocking 4 that can cover Aytons' deficiencies. Again, adding those two would give up incredible defense and versatility at the 2-4. We'd have 2 ELITE perimeter defenders in Bridges and Hunter. And a potentially Elite rim protector next to Ayton.

Exactly how is it that in trading a player who is oft injured and has relatively low percieved value around the league for a wing player who is younger, cheaper, plays much better defense, has a championship pedigree, and averaged over 40% 3 point shooting equate to garbage???

It's become quite trendy.

Also, it's become trendy because outside of our core players ( Booker/Ayton/ Bridges/ and Oubre) None of which will be traded obviously, He's our only AVAILABLE asset without negative value ( Jackson). Which again is why you are hearing about him being involved in trade packages.

As much as everyone hates the idea of bringing in more rookies, this is a perfect example of why it's important to add low cost talent through the draft. Because we need to replenish our asset pool. And when we do this, Then we won't have to be forced to make decisions regarding productive veteran's such as Warren, because we'll actually have other available options.

Yeah, but you don't get responses to your proposals for more picks because Jones has made it clear he doesn't want to rely on rookies to be contributors in year one. He is highly unlikely to bring in more than our first and second round picks, if he even keeps both of those.

Yes, I understand that he said that. However, as has been stated before, it takes someone being willing to trade with us for that to happen. And if it doesn't, then what? How then do we improve our roster? How do we replenish our assets for future trades and roster improvements without anyone being willing to add additional talent through the draft, and also being unwilling to trade any available players with value on our roster.

I get it man, we've been so very bad for so long, that any player showing a reasonable modicum of production on our roster is now as a result of our dismal showing this last 10 years, going to be overvalued and coveted due to our fears of never being able to be relevant again. But does everyone realize that If we had that added talent depth from the draft, We could then afford to be picky, and not have to include fan favorites such as Warren in order to offer value in trades?

So yes, Jones has said that he doesn't want to add more young players. And that's fine. But with respect to that and our current situation in terms of draw( appeal ) and diminutive cap space, what's our realistic alternative for improvement? Who can we outbid? Wjat veterans players of any value can we expect to secure without including Warren?

My overall point is clear. At some point you have to replenish your tradable assets, so you have alternatives to potentially trading the Warren's on your team. The draft is easily the most cost effective way to accomplish this. Again, IF anyone can show me any trade whatsoever that allows us to improve our roster reasonably while keeping Warren, I'll agree wholeheartedly. Anyone, just prove me wrong please.......I'll wait patiently.

[Ghost of Kleine]

My gut hopes we have a deal for holiday with warren/Jackson/6. And the rumor is us checking if anyone has a better offer.

That would be awesome for sure man. However, I'm pretty certain that Griffin fully intends to hold onto Holiday and put him with either Ball or ultimately beside Beal( A dream scenario for Griffin honestly)!

If we helped to add some assets, perhaps we maybe could sneak either the 9th pick or maybe Bryant if we're lucky?

Maybe we could flip Warren / Jackson and the Milwaukee pick to the Pels. Then the Pels could toss a package of Ball/ Ingram/ Warren/ the 4th pick, the Milwaukee pick and a future Lakers first for Beal. We in turn get the 9th pick. Then at 6- We take Hunter. At 9- we take Clarke.

Then we trade Johnson and a future lottery protected first to Memphis for Tony Allen's 18 million contract ( ***Only 2 million guaranteed). We now have an additional 17 million in cap space to add to our 10 million. Subtracting the 9 million for the 6 and the 9th picks, and we still have around 18-20 million in cap space to address our point guard needs. Maybe sign Beverly and Santoransky? Or Beverly and McConnell.

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

No, these are just actual realistic examples of ways that the front office might entertain adding cap space and assets, given the current value of our limited tradable assets. If you have alternatives to share, I'd love to have you share them.