bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:BobbieL wrote:
Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala
Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas
Honestly, it's not just a cash dump, as the returning value is additionally in us getting the 9th pick. The reality, whether people accept it is that the front office plans to move Warren and Jackson obviously. But if you enquire around, Warren's value amongst those outside this fanbase is not that great. Don't believe me, just ask?
We don't have nearly enough value in our current assets to trade for Beal without giving up Bridges/ Warren/ and a ton of picks. Ball isn't an option. If the Pels trade for Beal, it's going to have Ball going to Washington. Otherwise Griffin will play him alongside of Holiday. Who also isn't getting moved.
I've asked for anyone to offer better trade options without involving Warren to improve our roster. But have yet to hear anyone's answer. Also if there's a way to improve our roster whilst still keeping Warren, show me please? I understand that he's highly valued here.
But I'm just being a realist, I said a while back that he'd likely be moved, due to Oubres' emergence, Bridges being a core player as well as the need for balancing the team. All the reports that are coming out pretty much substantiate the front offices interest in this.
However unpleasant this reality may be for some to digest, it's going to happen. So at some point it makes sense to accept it.
Sure there is a good chance it happens. But EVERYTHING you read is speculation. Of course it makes logical sense that with Bridges here and if they are keeping Oubre, that JJ and/or TJ might be available if we can address other areas of need. But the front office themselves have made it abundantly clear (no speculation) that they want players that can play now. So trading TJ for a mid or late first rounder doesn't make sense unless they have some FA already lined up to sign who is an upgrade for him, and then that would happen after the draft anyway, so these picks will already have been made. TJ does address a need too, our need for 3 pt shooting, so moving him out makes us even worse in an area we already league worst.
Shams has reported that we have talked with others about those players and the 6 pick...his sources are almost suredly from the other teams. Stuff like that could also mean a team called about one of our players, we said no thanks on their proposed deal, and that other team leaked THAT discussion to Shams, one in where we turned down a proposed deal from a team.
I understand what you're saying man, But if you're referring to the list of trade ideas that would allow us to add cap space, the premise was obviously in that the front office would have interest in moving one of Warren and/or Jackson for cap space. And yes, until any deal happens, it's merely nothing more than speculation.
Also, whilst I agree that it's true that the draft happens prior to free agency, That doesn't mean that teams couldn't or wouldn't agree to, or finalize trades for picks with the understanding, planning for that acquired space and assets/ players even, To be traded or used towards the further aquisition of that teams targeted player.
And with respect to the argument that it's too risky for teams to formulate such plans prior to free agency without an agreement in place.
It happens every year. And the best franchises understand that you have to be willing to take risks in order to reap the rewards. And it's the front offices' job to plan accordingly. And communicate, occasionally gamble and have an alternative plan in case your primary option falls through. If we don't have a competitive amount of cap space, and we also aren't willing to add talent to our asset pool through the draft, How are we supposed to realistically take that next jump?
Again, if we don't have that free agent appeal yet, and also don't have the cap space to outbid other teams for better players that we need in order to make a discernible impact, what avenues of improvement are available to us to become more competitive?
I guess maybe we could sweet talk high impact quality free agents into taking less money in order to sign with us. That should work well.
