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Post#961 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:09 am

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Kerrsed wrote:Ashley Nevel already stated at the beginning of the offseason that Warren and Jackson would be traded away. She knows something....as does Shams. Of course the FO is going to give Gambo and the AZ Republic Reporter false info, if teams KNOW we are wanting to trade these guys, it lessens the value.

She also stated that Warren was healthy and willing to play at the end of the season. Im wondering if he asked to be traded and everyone is keeping it on the DL. I believe she gets her info from the players themselves as she seems to have a relationship with them and is always interviewing them. Would make sense that she knew about it so early. But thats just what i believe.

The facts are she said Warren and Jackson will not be here next season. Shams just came out about a month later and is stating the same thing. Local reporters are regurgitating the bs that the FO is feeding them that we are not actively trading them.


She said she thought TJ was on his way out, or something like "It's safe to say he won't be here next year" but that was based on him walking out without talking much to the media (like he always does). I think a lot of people are trying to read a lot into his injury, more than may be there and make speculation. He flat out said he wasn't ready physically and mentally, which is similar to what many players said when they don't trust they are completely ready to come back and play on their injury at full throttle in nba games.

But due to the glut of wings and the fact we look like we are keeping Oubre and Mikal it makes sense to see what we can get from our remaining assets, including TJ and JJ.

I mean it's common sense they'd be shopping these guys, but I think she's just going by her gut. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason she thinks TJ might want out is because he has declined an interview request or something.
Yeah she takes some liberties in what she reports. She was never super clear but I kind of read some of what she was saying on that injury as he was able to play but might not have wanted to. But I got the feeling that was because she saw him hooping in practice, well there's a big difference between that and playing in games.

I don't for one minute think the suns didn't let him play. He had a potential bonus and if that was the case his agent immediately files a grievance.

I think some of the media gives TJ a bad rap because he doesn't talk to them. But I also think there could be a legit rif between him and the team. I actually wouldn't blame him considering some of their personal moves and issues with past injuries. Currios to see if we learn more once he's gone.

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Post#962 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:11 am

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On Monday, The Athletic reported Warren, Jackson and the No. 6 overall pick were on the trading block, which isn't surprising, however, NBA sources told The Republic the two Suns and their first-round pick weren't available.

Warren and Jackson were in trade news before the Feb. 7 trade deadline, but NBA sources told The Republic at the time neither were on the block.

They weren't traded and remained with Phoenix the rest of the season.

I want to call BS. I don't think they are on the trade block but I'm sure they are picking up the phone when teams are calling about those 3 assets.
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Post#963 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:23 am

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On Monday, The Athletic reported Warren, Jackson and the No. 6 overall pick were on the trading block, which isn't surprising, however, NBA sources told The Republic the two Suns and their first-round pick weren't available.

Warren and Jackson were in trade news before the Feb. 7 trade deadline, but NBA sources told The Republic at the time neither were on the block.

They weren't traded and remained with Phoenix the rest of the season.

I want to call BS. I don't think they are on the trade block but I'm sure they are picking up the phone when teams are calling about those 3 assets.


I just want to ask the people like Rankin and Gambo that shoot down trade rumors: How are the Suns going to improve without making changes to the roster?

Maybe they can use the MLE and other small exceptions and draft - and bring everybody back; renounce Oubre I guess - but this is just a "math question" in relation to changing the roster.
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Post#964 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:23 am

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Post#965 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:26 am

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I want to call BS. I don't think they are on the trade block but I'm sure they are picking up the phone when teams are calling about those 3 assets.


I just want to ask the people like Rankin and Gambo that shoot down trade rumors: How are the Suns going to improve without making changes to the roster?

Maybe they can use the MLE and other small exceptions and draft - and bring everybody back; renounce Oubre I guess - but this is just a "math question" in relation to changing the roster.

According to them basically no one is going to be traded

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Post#966 » by Puff » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:30 am

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LOL, fun times.


I am hoping this is true. I really want TJ and Josh to get a chance to play under the guidance of a legit NBA head coach. I also do not want us to trade the # 6 pick. All of these suggested trades I have been reading do not make us better. I am not sure that paying crazy money to Russell makes much sense either. The team with the best wings usually wins in this league.

I know it is not popular but I can see us signing a guy like Collison or Rubio in Free agency (I really like Rubio) and drafting one of:

White
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But who really knows what we are going to do. I expect that we will all be surprised.
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Post#967 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:33 am

RaisingArizona wrote:Wait, Kleine. Are you proposing the Suns add 3 rookies to this roster?



No, only two at one position, the 4. Hunter and Clarke. Due to their diverse defensive skillsets. And of course any player acquired in the 2nd round can go to the g league to develop, and would only be called up.in case of injury depth.

But I'm very intrigued by the thought of a defensive trio of Bridges/ Hunter and Clarke. That'd be two ELITE defensive wings on each side of Booker, both can also shoot well. And an Elite weak side defender/ shotblocker in Clarke alongside of Ayton defensively.

Then letting Booker, Ayton, and Oubre handle the offense. Maybe even adding Russell with the acquired cap space from the move if possible.

But under any circumstances, we'd get a veteran lead guard, and add veteran depth for our youngsters in free agency.
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Post#968 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:40 am

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Pretty confident it'll pop back up somewhere eventually. The internet is undefeated


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Post#970 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:49 am

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Kerrsed wrote:Ashley Nevel already stated at the beginning of the offseason that Warren and Jackson would be traded away. She knows something....as does Shams. Of course the FO is going to give Gambo and the AZ Republic Reporter false info, if teams KNOW we are wanting to trade these guys, it lessens the value.

She also stated that Warren was healthy and willing to play at the end of the season. Im wondering if he asked to be traded and everyone is keeping it on the DL. I believe she gets her info from the players themselves as she seems to have a relationship with them and is always interviewing them. Would make sense that she knew about it so early. But thats just what i believe.

The facts are she said Warren and Jackson will not be here next season. Shams just came out about a month later and is stating the same thing. Local reporters are regurgitating the bs that the FO is feeding them that we are not actively trading them.


She said she thought TJ was on his way out, or something like "It's safe to say he won't be here next year" but that was based on him walking out without talking much to the media (like he always does). I think a lot of people are trying to read a lot into his injury, more than may be there and make speculation. He flat out said he wasn't ready physically and mentally, which is similar to what many players said when they don't trust they are completely ready to come back and play on their injury at full throttle in nba games.

But due to the glut of wings and the fact we look like we are keeping Oubre and Mikal it makes sense to see what we can get from our remaining assets, including TJ and JJ.

I mean it's common sense they'd be shopping these guys, but I think she's just going by her gut. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason she thinks TJ might want out is because he has declined an interview request or something.
Yeah she takes some liberties in what she reports. She was never super clear but I kind of read some of what she was saying on that injury as he was able to play but might not have wanted to. But I got the feeling that was because she saw him hooping in practice, well there's a big difference between that and playing in games.

I don't for one minute think the suns didn't let him play. He had a potential bonus and if that was the case his agent immediately files a grievance.

I think some of the media gives TJ a bad rap because he doesn't talk to them. But I also think there could be a legit rif between him and the team. I actually wouldn't blame him considering some of their personal moves and issues with past injuries. Currios to see if we learn more once he's gone.

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I think if he was completely ready and felt fine about his injury he would have played. He even had money riding on it. Crawford said it's killing him not to be playing but TJ said he just never felt completely ready. I don't see any real reason to not believe them and think something of it.

I wouldn't be surprised if McD promised him something at some point that wasn't delivered on ultimately, but TJ said he'd do whatever was needed, mentioned playing PF this year, and started the year off the bench, etc. Worked hard to add to his game, adding the 3. I could imagine neither him and JJ were really enthused about the Ariza signing, particularly after they drafted Bridges....and for TJ those are both after adding JJ. So I can imagine things haven't gone perfectly and he hasn't been completely stoked about it all, and often wondered what it meant for him....and now with Oubre it continues.

I think if he (or anyone for that matter) knew they had a clear role, they'd be happy. Feels like he's somewhat kind of left in limbo ever since they'd drafted JJ.

Now if it's true Sarver wanted him moved (though he probably quickly realized JJ didn't progress as he expected and then Ariza was a bust signing so he may have been happy for a bit we didn't move him) then he might be moved. I wouldn't be surprised if Monty would like to have him though so we'd have some more shooting and overall efficient scoring firepower.
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Post#971 » by oddity » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:54 am

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RaisingArizona wrote:Wait, Kleine. Are you proposing the Suns add 3 rookies to this roster?



No, only two at one position, the 4. Hunter and Clarke. Due to their diverse defensive skillsets. And of course any player acquired in the 2nd round can go to the g league to develop, and would only be called up.in case of injury depth.

But I'm very intrigued by the thought of a defensive trio of Bridges/ Hunter and Clarke. That'd be two ELITE defensive wings on each side of Booker, both can also shoot well. And an Elite weak side defender/ shotblocker in Clarke alongside of Ayton defensively.

Then letting Booker, Ayton, and Oubre handle the offense. Maybe even adding Russell with the acquired cap space from the move if possible.

But under any circumstances, we'd get a veteran lead guard, and add veteran depth for our youngsters in free agency.

So my knee jerk reaction was to have ptsd of double drafting bender and chriss, but the more i think about it the more I realize a big reason why it failed was because they couldn't really play with each other.
Hunter and Clarke, on the other hand, can conceivably be on the floor at the same time, and actually provide different tools that will help the team. And these rookies are much different from the raw play dough we had before. These guys can actually order drinks. They've proved themselves in college.. and I'm sure they can play some minutes next season together off the bench..
I think you might be on to something, here.
Then again, TJ Warren is suuuper good and on an upward climb so idk if I truly value Clarke above him. But we do have enough wings to spare even without him so... its a toss up for me.
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Re: 2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading 

Post#972 » by Slim Charless » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:56 am

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man if they think 4 is worth Beal, why not JJ/6/TJ?

Also if all it takes is freaking the 4th pick to land BEAL, the NBA gods really screwed us in the lottery


It will take A LOT more than that to get Beal. Think about what it would take to trade Booker (if he had two years left) and start there.


For sure. It would take #4 plus a couple of those Laker swap picks and maybe Ingram too. Beal is kinda of a win nowish piece so maybe the pels feel like Zion, jrue and the rest us enough to make playoff run.
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Post#973 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 am

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RaisingArizona wrote:Wait, Kleine. Are you proposing the Suns add 3 rookies to this roster?



No, only two at one position, the 4. Hunter and Clarke. Due to their diverse defensive skillsets. And of course any player acquired in the 2nd round can go to the g league to develop, and would only be called up.in case of injury depth.

But I'm very intrigued by the thought of a defensive trio of Bridges/ Hunter and Clarke. That'd be two ELITE defensive wings on each side of Booker, both can also shoot well. And an Elite weak side defender/ shotblocker in Clarke alongside of Ayton defensively.

Then letting Booker, Ayton, and Oubre handle the offense. Maybe even adding Russell with the acquired cap space from the move if possible.

But under any circumstances, we'd get a veteran lead guard, and add veteran depth for our youngsters in free agency.

So my knee jerk reaction was to have ptsd of double drafting bender and chriss, but the more i think about it the more I realize a big reason why it failed was because they couldn't really play with each other.
Hunter and Clarke, on the other hand, can conceivably be on the floor at the same time, and actually provide different tools that will help the team. And these rookies are much different from the raw play dough we had before. These guys can actually order drinks. They've proved themselves in college.. and I'm sure they can play some minutes next season together off the bench..
I think you might be on to something, here.
Then again, TJ Warren is suuuper good and on an upward climb so idk if I truly value Clarke above him. But we do have enough wings to spare even without him so... its a toss up for me.

Both (Bender/Chriss) also weren't ready mentally and likely weren't even truly NBA talent despite what they brought to the table. It's not just because we couldn't play them together. The fact is, both guys will likely get another contract because they are still young and teams will take a chance on a cheap opportunity to see if they can become something but really, they've shown so little in the NBA that if they have been lesser draft prospects (ie outside lottery) they might not even get a second look

I'm not a proponent for adding two rookies at the same position but I will say that Hunter/Clarke are vastly different prospects to Bender/Chriss. While on paper Bender/Chriss may have more potential because of their age, Hunter/Clarke are significantly more accomplished, experienced, ready mentally and physically and are truly cerebral type players.
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Post#974 » by King4Day » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:08 am

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Maybe the Otto Porter but I really don't like any of them.
Getting Capella would be silly too. No way you can play Ayton at the 4, right?
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Post#975 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:13 am

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Maybe the Otto Porter but I really don't like any of them.
Getting Capella would be silly too. No way you can play Ayton at the 4, right?

I would only want to pair Ayton with another big if they were a stretch big. Like a Lopez, Dedmon or Mirotic. Capela doesn't make sense to me. Porter would be a nice fit on this team in need of IQ and shooting but he's way too expensive
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Post#976 » by Dzon Dilindzer » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:40 am

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Dzon Dilindzer wrote:guys, would phoenix be interested in expiring contract as part of the deal for tj warren

i really think blazers could go after him (if he really is on the block)


Who? Probably not, but if so, only if the player is useful. They would likely want cap space now.

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Post#977 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:42 am

I want no part of platooning rookies. The whole Chriss/Bender debacle has scarred me. I see your points about how it might be different but I can't get past how bad that worked out and how much it set the Suns back.
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Post#978 » by BobbieL » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:45 am

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Dzon Dilindzer wrote:guys, would phoenix be interested in expiring contract as part of the deal for tj warren

i really think blazers could go after him (if he really is on the block)


Who? Probably not, but if so, only if the player is useful. They would likely want cap space now.

moe harkless, evan turner and meyers leonard

Leonard has a heckuva series against GSW. But not sure he is the defensive 4 the Suns would need.

I still think Aminu could be a Sun unless they get Russell
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Post#979 » by Dzon Dilindzer » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:52 am

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Who? Probably not, but if so, only if the player is useful. They would likely want cap space now.

moe harkless, evan turner and meyers leonard

Leonard has a heckuva series against GSW. But not sure he is the defensive 4 the Suns would need.

I still think Aminu could be a Sun unless they get Russell

leonard is a c and hes atrocius defender

harkless and turner on the other hand, they can defend, but theyre both small forwards

our best defenders are nurk, aminu and harkless in that order
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Post#980 » by LukasBMW » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:26 am

If Kyrie goes anywhere else other then Brooklyn....kiss Dlo goodbye.

At this point I have no idea what to expect. Lots of moves have to take place before we can have our turn.
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