Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

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I don't think any deal is incoming, unless the Pels are going to give us basically what they got for AD. More so, why the rush? Beal is a super valuable commodity. Every team that has one star is going to try to get him. I think we need to let the market develop naturally. If we get to the point that we want to trade Beal, create a bidding war. New Orleans and there assets aren't going anywhere. Let's take a step back and see what we have.

Also, the notion that Beal would be traded without a permanent GM is crazy. This isn't about getting a lot back for Beal. It's about having a plan and a vision going forward.

Nailed it. Well done!

[trast66]

I don't think any deal is incoming, unless the Pels are going to give us basically what they got for AD. More so, why the rush? Beal is a super valuable commodity. Every team that has one star is going to try to get him. I think we need to let the market develop naturally. If we get to the point that we want to trade Beal, create a bidding war. New Orleans and there assets aren't going anywhere. Let's take a step back and see what we have.

Also, the notion that Beal would be traded without a permanent GM is crazy. This isn't about getting a lot back for Beal. It's about having a plan and a vision going forward.

Nailed it. Well done!

Sure it’s crazy but would not be surprising. Ted is and has been decision maker despite his protests that he relied exclusively on Ernie. We traded Otto when Ernie was a lame duck. Nothing he does would surprise me at this point.

[King Ken]

I don't see it either. The organization loves Beal and Beal loves the organization. Just continue to add talent.

[nate33]

I've already stated what I think a reasonable deal would be:

Send Ball to Phoenix for the #6 pick. Give us #4 (LAL pick), #6 (PHO pick), Ingram, and one of those future unprotected Lakers picks.

[Zion Wembanyama]

I've already stated what I think a reasonable deal would be:

Send Ball to Phoenix for the #6 pick. Give us #4 (LAL pick), #6 (PHO pick), Ingram, and one of those future unprotected Lakers picks.

Pels decline.

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I've already stated what I think a reasonable deal would be:

Send Ball to Phoenix for the #6 pick. Give us #4 (LAL pick), #6 (PHO pick), Ingram, and one of those future unprotected Lakers picks.

Pels decline.

As a matter of interest, what if it was the #4 pick, Hart, & 2 future unprotected Lakers picks? I.e., the changes are:

1. Hart instead Ingram -- i.e. a guy picked #30 instead of a guy picked #6 (if I remember right)
2. A future pick instead a this-year pick -- that's a value drop based on the current value of an asset being higher than its future value, a core fact of economics; &
3. That future pick is likely to be somewhat (maybe a lot) lower than #6.

That's a significant drop in value. I'm interested in how that strikes you. Another way to say it, I'm interested in how you perceive the value of having a 25 year old perennial all star shooting guard who posts about 28 points per 40 minutes at high efficiency yet still has a ton of future development.

Perhaps you don't see much value in adding Beal? After all, you do have Elfrid Payton, Frank Jackson, Kenrich Williams, Stanley Johnson, Cheick Diallo, Christian Wood, Lonzo Ball & Jahlil Okafor -- as you point out in your sig.

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Of course you'll also have Zion. Not to mention Jrue, Solomon Hill, E'Twaun. Plus Hart & Ingram. Add that #4 pick, & you are at 15, a full roster.

A lot will depend on how quickly Zion adjusts to the NBA, given that you've lost @25 wins in the departure of Davis, Randle opting out (can you afford to re-sign him? -- hope so!), etc. Ball, Ingram & Hart should get you back @10 of those.

Actually... I think Beal would make you a contender for the championship next year (i.e. if Zion takes hold in a hurry).

You might want to reconsider nate's idea. I don't think Jarrett Culver is likely to add much any time soon, do you?

[Illmatic12]

Beal would immediately be the best player on the Pelicans next season.

If you’re trading for him, it’s so he can be your franchise cornerstone for the next 4-5 years while Zion develops his half court offense . If David Griffin is going to go in that direction , he has to be prepared to make a major tradeoff.

The Lakers players he just traded for are distressed assets (due to injury history and middling performance) , and the #4 pick is not a prime trade chip in this draft class. So it’s going to take a good haul of those players + some of the Lakers future assets to meet the bar for a Beal trade, today.

I think the Pelicans are better off staying put for now and seeing how the season plays out. It’s possible that Lonzo and/or Ingram increase their value as the season goes on , or that Jarrett Culver or whoever breaks out and now you have more trade options. If NOP traded for Beal they would give up a lot of their assets without having time to judge them, and Brad could still walk away in the future.

[Zion Wembanyama]

I've already stated what I think a reasonable deal would be:

Send Ball to Phoenix for the #6 pick. Give us #4 (LAL pick), #6 (PHO pick), Ingram, and one of those future unprotected Lakers picks.

Pels decline.

As a matter of interest, what if it was the #4 pick, Hart, & 2 future unprotected Lakers picks? I.e., the changes are:

1. Hart instead Ingram -- i.e. a guy picked #30 instead of a guy picked #6 (if I remember right)
2. A future pick instead a this-year pick -- that's a value drop based on the current value of an asset being higher than its future value, a core fact of economics; &
3. That future pick is likely to be somewhat (maybe a lot) lower than #6.

That's a significant drop in value. I'm interested in how that strikes you. Another way to say it, I'm interested in how you perceive the value of having a 25 year old perennial all star shooting guard who posts about 28 points per 40 minutes at high efficiency yet still has a ton of future development.

Perhaps you don't see much value in adding Beal? After all, you do have Elfrid Payton, Frank Jackson, Kenrich Williams, Stanley Johnson, Cheick Diallo, Christian Wood, Lonzo Ball & Jahlil Okafor -- as you point out in your sig.

Trust the process.

[deneem4]

I’ll trade mahinimi and howard for Wiggins...

[The Consiglieri]

...the idea that #4 would be the centerpiece of the deal is crazy to me...

Listening to Simmons and Russilo quietly throw out the #4 and an expiring for Beal idea, before suggesting that they think the Wizards want to keep Beal was just infuriating. Wasn't the whole point of firing E.G., to end getting swindled in trades, and start building the team properly? I'm 1000% behind a Beal trade, but I'm not remotely interested in getting swindled, and that's getting taken to the cleaners. If we're getting #4, we better also be getting that unprotected Lakers pick and something else. Don't come at me w/that #4 is it b--s---. You don't get franchise players for the #4 pick in a 2 player draft. GTFO of here w/that kind of horse bleep. Hate those kinds of suggestions that never incorporate what the team giving up the elite player actually needs to get for it to not be a total screw job (especially in the NBA where 95% of trades involving franchise caliber players are lost by the team trading the perceived franchise player).

[nate33]

I've already stated what I think a reasonable deal would be:

Send Ball to Phoenix for the #6 pick. Give us #4 (LAL pick), #6 (PHO pick), Ingram, and one of those future unprotected Lakers picks.

Pels decline.

Cool. No Beal then.

[nate33]

I’ll trade mahinimi and howard for Wiggins...

That's an awful idea. It would be franchise suicide to commit to having both Wall's and Wiggins' contracts on the books for the next 4 years.

[Zion Wembanyama]

I've already stated what I think a reasonable deal would be:

Send Ball to Phoenix for the #6 pick. Give us #4 (LAL pick), #6 (PHO pick), Ingram, and one of those future unprotected Lakers picks.

Pels decline.

Cool. No Beal then.

I saw the rushed build we did with AD. No thanks on that again. I rather keep our assets and build slow but steady around Zion.

[nate33]

Pels decline.

Cool. No Beal then.

I saw the rushed build we did with AD. No thanks on that again. I rather keep our assets and build slow but steady around Zion.

Fair enough. That's probably the right move. There's no rush. You may as well wait a few months at least to see if Ball and Ingram thrive outside of Lebron's shadow. Their trade value may increase.

The Wizards aren't really all that interested in trading Beal anyhow. It would take a massive offer, the kind of offer only New Orleans has the assets to make.

I will say that I don't love the Ball/Zion pairing. Zion needs spacing around him and Ball's poor shooting is going to be a problem. And it doesn't help much that Jrue isn't exactly a 3-point assassin either.

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...the idea that #4 would be the centerpiece of the deal is crazy to me...

Listening to Simmons and Russilo quietly throw out the #4 and an expiring for Beal idea, before suggesting that they think the Wizards want to keep Beal was just infuriating. Wasn't the whole point of firing E.G., to end getting swindled in trades, and start building the team properly? I'm 1000% behind a Beal trade, but I'm not remotely interested in getting swindled, and that's getting taken to the cleaners. If we're getting #4, we better also be getting that unprotected Lakers pick and something else. Don't come at me w/that #4 is it b--s---. You don't get franchise players for the #4 pick in a 2 player draft. GTFO of here w/that kind of horse bleep. Hate those kinds of suggestions that never incorporate what the team giving up the elite player actually needs to get for it to not be a total screw job (especially in the NBA where 95% of trades involving franchise caliber players are lost by the team trading the perceived franchise player).

Yeah, nate, but... what do you really think?

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Pels decline.

Cool. No Beal then.

I saw the rushed build we did with AD. No thanks on that again. I rather keep our assets and build slow but steady around Zion.

Fair enough. & you have some assets: I like Hart, & Kenrich was a big-time draft steal. We all really like Christian Wood too.

But, the big thing you have going for you, in addition to Zion, is that you just brought on a good executive -- potentially 2 of them, actually.

[Dat2U]

I’ll trade mahinimi and howard for Wiggins...

So we can 2 of the 3 worst contracts in basketball history?

[deneem4]

I’ll trade mahinimi and howard for Wiggins...

That's an awful idea. It would be franchise suicide to commit to having both Wall's and Wiggins' contracts on the books for the next 4 years.

Make the wolves Add a future far out pick...
rebuild will be done in 4 years

[nate33]

I’ll trade mahinimi and howard for Wiggins...

That's an awful idea. It would be franchise suicide to commit to having both Wall's and Wiggins' contracts on the books for the next 4 years.

Make the wolves Add a future far out pick...
rebuild will be done in 4 years

Words can't describe how bad this idea is.