Future Free Agent Thread

[VCfor3]

According to Steve Kyler, the Grizzlies are looking to clear salary and not take a lot of money back for Conley. They're trying to get off his deal. So taking him into cap space after July 1 would make sense for both Utah and Memphis. It would effectively be the Jazz's free agent strategy.

Which tweet are you referring to? I saw the one in reference to a Hayward/Conley swap but didn't know if he put anything else out there.

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I think (*hope*) he was just referring to swapping Conley for Hayward's bad contract for only one of the Celtics picks this draft more so than us truly focusing on cutting money (though I doubt we take on additional salary). We want to stay away from the luxury tax but can waive Bradley if needed. Would hate for us to cost ourselves assets due to not taking on minor salary.

[AingesBurner]

We can Harris if we trade for Conley we just have to waive or trade every player except Donnie, Gobert, and O’Neale.

[Luigi]

I really like Crowder for 24 minutes a night at his salary. We ask him to do too much right now, and truly I hate it that he has the green light some nights. But he's nice because he is strong/big enough to handle bigs, and versatile enough to play 4 out in our system. At least at his price, he does those things well.

I could part with him, but he has value to us.

[KqWIN]

Crowder is bad...but we need him. That sums up our PF situation

[SoCalJazzFan]

According to Capulator (Shams) renouncing all of the free agents (Rubio, Udoh, Thabo, etc), and then trading the #23, Korver, Exum and Bradley (about $19M) gives us enough cap space to take Conley into it. Korver and Bradley would be expiring, perhaps even buy out options. The Grizz would only keep $9.6M in Exum's salary for the following season.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=2373767835d08591ce013f841751527

[Calhamid94]

Not really a tough decision for me. I'm not a big fan of Crowder so I would much rather trade him. I feel like he can replaced pretty easily in free agency. Personally I would like to give Jabari Parker a look in place of Crowder.

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I would love to get Jabari, especially if he’s healthy. Crowder is a great defender and he can shoot the 3 pretty well, but I’d take Parker over him. I would rather keep Royce. He’s a great defender and he really stepped up in the playoffs this season, also very young.

Crowder is actually a very poor 3pt shooter. He had one good year from 3 but the rest he has been in the low 30's. He is also only an average defender. He got a reputation as a defender with Boston but he hasn't really lived up to it these last couple of seasons. If not Jabari then there are a few other wings that I think are worth a look on the cheap. I really like Rondae Hollis Jefferson defensively and think he would be a Snyder favorite because he can guard 4 positions. The problem is that he can't shoot worth a damn but if he is on the court with at least 3 other shooters it isn't that big of a deal. I also would like to take a look at Stanley Johnson who I could see becoming a similar caliber version of Crowder in a few years. Both players can probably be had for close to the minimum. I would want to try to lock them into 3yr deals though so they could be possible trade assets or just bargain contracts if either exceeds expectations.

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

[dr0welf]

I would love to get Jabari, especially if he’s healthy. Crowder is a great defender and he can shoot the 3 pretty well, but I’d take Parker over him. I would rather keep Royce. He’s a great defender and he really stepped up in the playoffs this season, also very young.

Crowder is actually a very poor 3pt shooter. He had one good year from 3 but the rest he has been in the low 30's. He is also only an average defender. He got a reputation as a defender with Boston but he hasn't really lived up to it these last couple of seasons. If not Jabari then there are a few other wings that I think are worth a look on the cheap. I really like Rondae Hollis Jefferson defensively and think he would be a Snyder favorite because he can guard 4 positions. The problem is that he can't shoot worth a damn but if he is on the court with at least 3 other shooters it isn't that big of a deal. I also would like to take a look at Stanley Johnson who I could see becoming a similar caliber version of Crowder in a few years. Both players can probably be had for close to the minimum. I would want to try to lock them into 3yr deals though so they could be possible trade assets or just bargain contracts if either exceeds expectations.

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

[Calhamid94]

Crowder is actually a very poor 3pt shooter. He had one good year from 3 but the rest he has been in the low 30's. He is also only an average defender. He got a reputation as a defender with Boston but he hasn't really lived up to it these last couple of seasons. If not Jabari then there are a few other wings that I think are worth a look on the cheap. I really like Rondae Hollis Jefferson defensively and think he would be a Snyder favorite because he can guard 4 positions. The problem is that he can't shoot worth a damn but if he is on the court with at least 3 other shooters it isn't that big of a deal. I also would like to take a look at Stanley Johnson who I could see becoming a similar caliber version of Crowder in a few years. Both players can probably be had for close to the minimum. I would want to try to lock them into 3yr deals though so they could be possible trade assets or just bargain contracts if either exceeds expectations.

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

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I would love to get Jabari, especially if he’s healthy. Crowder is a great defender and he can shoot the 3 pretty well, but I’d take Parker over him. I would rather keep Royce. He’s a great defender and he really stepped up in the playoffs this season, also very young.

Crowder is actually a very poor 3pt shooter. He had one good year from 3 but the rest he has been in the low 30's. He is also only an average defender. He got a reputation as a defender with Boston but he hasn't really lived up to it these last couple of seasons. If not Jabari then there are a few other wings that I think are worth a look on the cheap. I really like Rondae Hollis Jefferson defensively and think he would be a Snyder favorite because he can guard 4 positions. The problem is that he can't shoot worth a damn but if he is on the court with at least 3 other shooters it isn't that big of a deal. I also would like to take a look at Stanley Johnson who I could see becoming a similar caliber version of Crowder in a few years. Both players can probably be had for close to the minimum. I would want to try to lock them into 3yr deals though so they could be possible trade assets or just bargain contracts if either exceeds expectations.

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

It isn't an either or with Royce and those other guys. Royce looks like he has found his role and has thrived with it. There is still room for young guys like Johnson and RHJ to fill potential roles down the line. Like I said I view Johnson as a potential replacement as a backup small ball 4.

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[Luigi]

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

Welcome to the board, btw. Always nice to have more voices.

[Calhamid94]

Crowder is actually a very poor 3pt shooter. He had one good year from 3 but the rest he has been in the low 30's. He is also only an average defender. He got a reputation as a defender with Boston but he hasn't really lived up to it these last couple of seasons. If not Jabari then there are a few other wings that I think are worth a look on the cheap. I really like Rondae Hollis Jefferson defensively and think he would be a Snyder favorite because he can guard 4 positions. The problem is that he can't shoot worth a damn but if he is on the court with at least 3 other shooters it isn't that big of a deal. I also would like to take a look at Stanley Johnson who I could see becoming a similar caliber version of Crowder in a few years. Both players can probably be had for close to the minimum. I would want to try to lock them into 3yr deals though so they could be possible trade assets or just bargain contracts if either exceeds expectations.

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

It isn't an either or with Royce and those other guys. Royce looks like he has found his role and has thrived with it. There is still room for young guys like Johnson and RHJ to fill potential roles down the line. Like I said I view Johnson as a potential replacement as a backup small ball 4.

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I get what you’re saying. I think Royce is going to have a breakout season next year and turn a lot of heads. I just really like RR’s game, that’s all. RHJ would do better in our system than Stanley, in my opinion.

[Calhamid94]

I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

Welcome to the board, btw. Always nice to have more voices.

Thank you! I’ve been reading forums on realgm for years, so I finally gave in and created an account to give my humble opinion about my favorite team.

[dr0welf]

I was referring to him being a good shooter as a 4. What other 4 on our team can shoot the 3 well? He is an undersized pf and can play solid D against players with a similar build, but Rudy makes up for the size he lacks. As far as Rondae, I think Brooklyn is losing a very solid player on both ends of the court. They are clearly trying to free up money for Kyrie and Harris. I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the right amount. I think Royce has much more potential than Stanley and I’d rather see the jazz stick with Royce before bringing another guy in. We need to focus on getting a good PG and then address the PF position after we get our guard.

I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

I like Crowder and don't think he will get traded. I feel we are looking at a trade now that goes into affect after July 5th of Korver, Exum, Bradley, and our #23 pick for Conley. This way we use our cap space for the majority of the signing freeing up more room for Memphis by them not having to take on much salary. Korver retires after the trade. I just think this is the only way it makes sense if Favors is not included which has been reported.

Honestly I worry about Conley's age, but he is a stud and 2 years is our window really, let's swing for the fences with him as he played extremely well last year.

[Calhamid94]

I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

I like Crowder and don't think he will get traded. I feel we are looking at a trade now that goes into affect after July 5th of Korver, Exum, Bradley, and our #23 pick for Conley. This way we use our cap space for the majority of the signing freeing up more room for Memphis by them not having to take on much salary. Korver retires after the trade. I just think this is the only way it makes sense if Favors is not included which has been reported.

Honestly I worry about Conley's age, but he is a stud and 2 years is our window really, let's swing for the fences with him as he played extremely well last year.

It worked for Toronto, now it’s our turn. If we can get the Conley trade to work, I’m hoping we can can make a miracle happen and get someone like Randle or similar as well.

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I'd say Niang is a better shooting 4, but defensively I would take Crowder over Niang.

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

I like Crowder and don't think he will get traded. I feel we are looking at a trade now that goes into affect after July 5th of Korver, Exum, Bradley, and our #23 pick for Conley. This way we use our cap space for the majority of the signing freeing up more room for Memphis by them not having to take on much salary. Korver retires after the trade. I just think this is the only way it makes sense if Favors is not included which has been reported.

Honestly I worry about Conley's age, but he is a stud and 2 years is our window really, let's swing for the fences with him as he played extremely well last year.

I don't understand this 2yrs is our window stuff. I completely disagree. I think our window is 2yrs from now when hopefully Mitchell has figured everything out and we have spent wisely these last couple years to develop and sign players that compliment Gobert and Mitchell as well as possible. Obviously that doesn't preclude us of contending this year with the right young pieces but we should be building a team with a 5yr competitive window in mind rather than 2. That is why I love the fit of Randle so much because he fits like a glove with what this team needs in my opinion. It also leaves plenty of money available to round out the roster.

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[Luigi]

I just feel crowder is under appreciated in Utah. He’s very loyal, hard working and he stands up for his teammates anytime something goes down. If Niang was a better defender, I would love for him to get more minutes. There are a lot of players that are better than crowder, but for the contract we have him on and the stats he puts up, we are definitely getting our money's worth.

I like Crowder and don't think he will get traded. I feel we are looking at a trade now that goes into affect after July 5th of Korver, Exum, Bradley, and our #23 pick for Conley. This way we use our cap space for the majority of the signing freeing up more room for Memphis by them not having to take on much salary. Korver retires after the trade. I just think this is the only way it makes sense if Favors is not included which has been reported.

Honestly I worry about Conley's age, but he is a stud and 2 years is our window really, let's swing for the fences with him as he played extremely well last year.

I don't understand this 2yrs is our window stuff. I completely disagree. I think our window is 2yrs from now when hopefully Mitchell has figured everything out and we have spent wisely these last couple years to develop and sign players that compliment Gobert and Mitchell as well as possible. Obviously that doesn't preclude us of contending this year with the right young pieces but we should be building a team with a 5yr competitive window in mind rather than 2. That is why I love the fit of Randle so much because he fits like a glove with what this team needs in my opinion. It also leaves plenty of money available to round out the roster.

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I just can't see us fielding a competitive roster while Mitchell is on his proper salary. 5 million to 30 million will make us much worse, even though Mitchell will be better.

[Daddy 801]

Who would we be trading to get Conley? Do you know?

My guess is Exum, Korver, Allen, Bradley, 23rd pick and possibly Crowder.

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Would you rather trade Royce or Crowder? That’s a tough decision

Not for me. Keep Royce. Easy choice. And I was the biggest Crowder homer prior to him coming here.

[Daddy 801]

While the idea of trading for Conley and then trading everyone to clear space for Tobias is extremely enticing, I think I’d rather trade for Conley and trade enough players away that we can sign Bojan.

A seven man rotation of Conley, Donovan, Ingles, Royce, Favs, Gobert and Bojan would be a very good seven man rotation.

Someone please tell me we have the cap space to do this.

If Bojan isn’t possible, I wonder if Green would be available. We need another high 3% point shooter.

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I like Crowder and don't think he will get traded. I feel we are looking at a trade now that goes into affect after July 5th of Korver, Exum, Bradley, and our #23 pick for Conley. This way we use our cap space for the majority of the signing freeing up more room for Memphis by them not having to take on much salary. Korver retires after the trade. I just think this is the only way it makes sense if Favors is not included which has been reported.

Honestly I worry about Conley's age, but he is a stud and 2 years is our window really, let's swing for the fences with him as he played extremely well last year.

I don't understand this 2yrs is our window stuff. I completely disagree. I think our window is 2yrs from now when hopefully Mitchell has figured everything out and we have spent wisely these last couple years to develop and sign players that compliment Gobert and Mitchell as well as possible. Obviously that doesn't preclude us of contending this year with the right young pieces but we should be building a team with a 5yr competitive window in mind rather than 2. That is why I love the fit of Randle so much because he fits like a glove with what this team needs in my opinion. It also leaves plenty of money available to round out the roster.

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I just can't see us fielding a competitive roster while Mitchell is on his proper salary. 5 million to 30 million will make us much worse, even though Mitchell will be better.

That is simply rarely the case. Look around the league and most teams are winning while their stars are paid accordingly. The key is actually hitting on draft pick and good priced free agents to compliment them. This is where DL has been a massive failure with his waste of draft picks. How differently would we view this team with just the 2 picks that we traded for Hill and Rubio. Let's say we took the same players that the hawks and wolves took in Prince and Okogie. That is a solid 3 man that can also play some small ball 4 in Prince and a kid in Okogie that looks like a defensive beast.

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[KqWIN]

I don't understand this 2yrs is our window stuff. I completely disagree. I think our window is 2yrs from now when hopefully Mitchell has figured everything out and we have spent wisely these last couple years to develop and sign players that compliment Gobert and Mitchell as well as possible. Obviously that doesn't preclude us of contending this year with the right young pieces but we should be building a team with a 5yr competitive window in mind rather than 2. That is why I love the fit of Randle so much because he fits like a glove with what this team needs in my opinion. It also leaves plenty of money available to round out the roster.

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I just can't see us fielding a competitive roster while Mitchell is on his proper salary. 5 million to 30 million will make us much worse, even though Mitchell will be better.

That is simply rarely the case. Look around the league and most teams are winning while their stars are paid accordingly. The key is actually hitting on draft pick and good priced free agents to compliment them. This is where DL has been a massive failure with his waste of draft picks. How differently would we view this team with just the 2 picks that we traded for Hill and Rubio. Let's say we took the same players that the hawks and wolves took in Prince and Okogie. That is a solid 3 man that can also play some small ball 4 in Prince and a kid in Okogie that looks like a defensive beast.

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I looked around the league. The teams that are winning all have stars and/or key players on cheap contracts. Either way, whether you think the time is now or 3 years from now...they only time we can get a player is now. Once those contracts go up, we are no longer able to acquire talent outside of our pick which will always be in the 20's. If DL is unable to make the team better with this 2 year window, it is a massive failure...if the goal is to win a championship of course. Which it is not.