Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

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Assume the Cavs interest in Garland is real. For those Garland fans out there, what kind of package are you willing to give up to go to 4 and grab him?

For reference, Dallas gave up a top 5 protected pick last year to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic. I might be talked into giving up next years first with top 7 protection to move up from 7 to 4. Might. I'd rather piece together something like taking Hills contract, giving up Val (a much needed shooter) and a second round pick or 3, but that's unlikely to get it done.

I would give them nothing.

In what world is Doncic and Garland even in the same sentence.

Doncic is a 6'8 pg with a good shot and great vision. He has potential.

Garland had NBA joirneyman wriiten all over him. He alrwady has a a bad knee. He is under size and struggled with generating assist in his limited time.

People grab a sf in this draft. They are all over the place and will be the best thing available. This is a crappy pg draft. Do not make the McDermott mistake again.

Always grab the best prospect in the top 10 in the lottery. Garland is small, not really athletic, and struggles going to the rim. No thanks.

If he is there at 7 and the Bulls draft him. I hope I am wrong.

In this draft of medicore prospects after 3. I want the one with a high ceiling and can defend.

The most valuable player type in the league is a 6'6 to 6'9. Get one on a rookie contract and you can trade for what you need if necessary.

The point was not to compare Doncic and Garland. It was to give reference point to the cost to move up a few picks in the top of the draft.

[Indomitable]

Assume the Cavs interest in Garland is real. For those Garland fans out there, what kind of package are you willing to give up to go to 4 and grab him?

For reference, Dallas gave up a top 5 protected pick last year to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic. I might be talked into giving up next years first with top 7 protection to move up from 7 to 4. Might. I'd rather piece together something like taking Hills contract, giving up Val (a much needed shooter) and a second round pick or 3, but that's unlikely to get it done.

I would give them nothing.

In what world is Doncic and Garland even in the same sentence.

Doncic is a 6'8 pg with a good shot and great vision. He has potential.

Garland had NBA joirneyman wriiten all over him. He alrwady has a a bad knee. He is under size and struggled with generating assist in his limited time.

People grab a sf in this draft. They are all over the place and will be the best thing available. This is a crappy pg draft. Do not make the McDermott mistake again.

Always grab the best prospect in the top 10 in the lottery. Garland is small, not really athletic, and struggles going to the rim. No thanks.

If he is there at 7 and the Bulls draft him. I hope I am wrong.

In this draft of medicore prospects after 3. I want the one with a high ceiling and can defend.

The most valuable player type in the league is a 6'6 to 6'9. Get one on a rookie contract and you can trade for what you need if necessary.

The point was not to compare Doncic and Garland. It was to give reference point to the cost to move up a few picks in the top of the draft.

My point is there are 3 players worth moving assets for and Garland is not one in my opinion.

[NecessaryEvil]

[DanTown8587]

Posted this in the draft thread, but it's also a trade idea + roster construction idea

Let's assume the top six goes in no particular order

Zion, Morant, Barrett, Garland, White, and Culver

The Hawks really like Hunter at 7; would they give up a pick or two to get him and swap at 8? Atlanta has 8,10, 17, 35, 41, and 44. Could you get 8/17 to get them Hunter? They'd definitely do 8/35/44 to get him and if you're Chicago, know you can take Seku at 8 and you picked up two more seconds for no real cost.

Maybe you also call the Bucks and do Ilyasova+30 for cap space. He fits a need (veteran, backup PF) and you get a pick. Now all of the sudden, you're looking at having five picks in a draft (8, 30, 35, 38, and 44). Obviously you don't want 5 rookies on the roster next year so I'd take a Euro with one of the early seconds and then take Charles Matthews with pick 44. Wouldn't sign him to a deal to take a roster spot but maybe have him sign with the Windy City Bulls to rehab the ACL and then sign for a cheap several year deal next summer. So now your looking at going into FA with a team of

Dunn
Lavine/Valentine
Porter/Hutch/Seku
Lauri/Illysova
Carter
+ 2 2nds

Obviously make Beverly a priority, bring back Robin on a fairly cheap deal, and then maybe a guy like Reggie Bullock or even resign Selden on a one year + TO deal

Beverly/Dunn/Archi
Lavine/Valentine/Bullock
Porter/Hutch/Seku
Lauri/Illyasova
Carter/Lopez/Felicio

2 2nds battle for roster spot; if they're both good players then maybe move on from Dunn or Archi or Felicio depending on position.

EDIT The main reason to do this is for the 2021 plan. If you believe the Bulls should be patient and strike in 2021 when Porter+Felicio's cap is off the books and they have max + space with only really Lavine and Lauri's cap hold taking up cap space, the idea of the four picks between 30 and 45 is not to hit on all four but if you can find two rotation players for dirt cheap in that spot, it makes your 2021 plan a lot easier to build around. If you do that, your 2021 FA roster is

Lavine + Lauri + Carter + hopefully Seku if you take him 8 + 2020 first + 2 rotation guys from 2019 draft

That's eight guys with a total cap commitment that leaves you a max + a secondary player. That's the type of moves that if you hit on, you have a Brooklyn type off-season and you are all of the sudden talked about as a potential destination. You also have flexibility where it could be a two max type off-season and you move on from say Lauri if he shows himself to be good but not great. Who knows, the point is that having that many cheap, young players can only help attract multiple stars.

[MrSparkle]

Luka had a pretty high floor, and a high ceiling.

Garland... is basically an unknown. Just like every other guy in this draft besides Zion. Trading up is a gamble unless GarPax know something we really don't.

[aramada]

Luka had a pretty high floor, and a high ceiling.

Garland... is basically an unknown. Just like every other guy in this draft besides Zion. Trading up is a gamble unless GarPax know something we really don't.

Well if he has done his homework, GarPax does know some things we don’t... like traits of personality from interviews, former coach assessments, the recent closed door workout, and medical records

[Butler4thewin]

Luka had a pretty high floor, and a high ceiling.

Garland... is basically an unknown. Just like every other guy in this draft besides Zion. Trading up is a gamble unless GarPax know something we really don't.

I remember a guy on here used to be nuts about picking luka last year .....I think there will be a good crop of sg out of this draft that will improve after a few seasons in the league and have people shaking there heads at the fact the whiffed on them

[sco]

Posted this in the draft thread, but it's also a trade idea + roster construction idea

Let's assume the top six goes in no particular order

Zion, Morant, Barrett, Garland, White, and Culver

The Hawks really like Hunter at 7; would they give up a pick or two to get him and swap at 8? Atlanta has 8,10, 17, 35, 41, and 44. Could you get 8/17 to get them Hunter? They'd definitely do 8/35/44 to get him and if you're Chicago, know you can take Seku at 8 and you picked up two more seconds for no real cost.

Maybe you also call the Bucks and do Ilyasova+30 for cap space. He fits a need (veteran, backup PF) and you get a pick. Now all of the sudden, you're looking at having five picks in a draft (8, 30, 35, 38, and 44). Obviously you don't want 5 rookies on the roster next year so I'd take a Euro with one of the early seconds and then take Charles Matthews with pick 44. Wouldn't sign him to a deal to take a roster spot but maybe have him sign with the Windy City Bulls to rehab the ACL and then sign for a cheap several year deal next summer. So now your looking at going into FA with a team of

Dunn
Lavine/Valentine
Porter/Hutch/Seku
Lauri/Illysova
Carter
+ 2 2nds

Obviously make Beverly a priority, bring back Robin on a fairly cheap deal, and then maybe a guy like Reggie Bullock or even resign Selden on a one year + TO deal

Beverly/Dunn/Archi
Lavine/Valentine/Bullock
Porter/Hutch/Seku
Lauri/Illyasova
Carter/Lopez/Felicio

2 2nds battle for roster spot; if they're both good players then maybe move on from Dunn or Archi or Felicio depending on position.

EDIT The main reason to do this is for the 2021 plan. If you believe the Bulls should be patient and strike in 2021 when Porter+Felicio's cap is off the books and they have max + space with only really Lavine and Lauri's cap hold taking up cap space, the idea of the four picks between 30 and 45 is not to hit on all four but if you can find two rotation players for dirt cheap in that spot, it makes your 2021 plan a lot easier to build around. If you do that, your 2021 FA roster is

Lavine + Lauri + Carter + hopefully Seku if you take him 8 + 2020 first + 2 rotation guys from 2019 draft

That's eight guys with a total cap commitment that leaves you a max + a secondary player. That's the type of moves that if you hit on, you have a Brooklyn type off-season and you are all of the sudden talked about as a potential destination. You also have flexibility where it could be a two max type off-season and you move on from say Lauri if he shows himself to be good but not great. Who knows, the point is that having that many cheap, young players can only help attract multiple stars.

I like the way you think! IMO, Hunter doesn't bring enough offense to be great in the NBA and I think he'll struggle to guard the good SF's.

I don't love any of the options at 7 and would be happy adding another chance to get lucky later in draft.

IF we are giving up on the Brogdon dream (which is a bad idea because he may be the closest guy to Klay we can land, but I think the FO is where you are) then I am ok helping MIL for their pick (which guarantees them Brogdon).

[Ccwatercraft]

I don't see a need to make a move up so unless the FO is more informed and has someone they think critical ranked higher than 7 then I expect us to stand pat.

I don't like that fans keep tossing DV into the mix as filler for random trades, especially those that aren't bringing in a stud somehow, I really expect good things from him this year. He has every motivation possible to give 100% this season and I dam sure hope he stays healthy enough to prove his worth. If he has a bad year or misses another season he's looking at tiny contract offers, or just retiring in relative comfort with his bankroll that hopefully he saved most of, and maybe some more Popeye's chicken sammich income

I've always been a fan of contract year players, big money is on the line. Another reason that I think dunn could surprise a lot of people, he has many millions on the line.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

I hope the Bulls aren't going to give up assets to move up (unless it's the #1 pick which isn't happening)

After the 3rd pick you really don't know who is going to be on the board, there's always at least 1 pick that will surprise and I don't feel anyone is worth taking the risk of giving up assets.

I actually don't mind trading back for those 2 Hawks picks, see if we can do a reverse McDermott

[bulliedog8]

I hate cp0 and wouldn’t want to give up assets for him. BUTTTTT, I’ve been thinking to myself, I’d do

Bulls: CP0
Rockets: Dunn and Felicio

Nothing else. That gives the rockets like 30 mil in cap spaces saved. We use all our space on cp0. Use mle on Seth Curry.

CP0—Curry
Lavine—Valentine
Porter—Hutchinson
Lauri—sekou (draft pick)
Wendell—back up center

Could be a 6-8 seed this year. All young still

[RakimAbdulJabar]

I hate cp0 and wouldn’t want to give up assets for him. BUTTTTT, I’ve been thinking to myself, I’d do

Bulls: CP0
Rockets: Dunn and Felicio

Nothing else. That gives the rockets like 30 mil in cap spaces saved. We use all our space on cp0. Use mle on Seth Curry.

CP0—Curry
Lavine—Valentine
Porter—Hutchinson
Lauri—sekou (draft pick)
Wendell—back up center

Could be a 6-8 seed this year. All young still

As mentioned the other day, salaries have to match and this suggestion is about $20 million off

[RakimAbdulJabar]

If you want to get involved in a Chris Paul deal, I'd rather the Bulls operate as a 3rd team so they don't get him in return

Send him back New Orleans so he can finish his career where he started

Paul to Pelicans
Holiday, Hill, Felicio and Bulls top 10 protected future 1st to Rockets
**They're welcome to have Hutchison instead of future 1st if they prefer)
Capela to Bulls

Pelicans don't have to play Ball as a starter and they get a couple of decent years of Paul setting Zion and Ingram up for easier baskets

Rockets move on from Paul with a very good player in Holiday, but pay the price of taking on a couple of unwanted bigs, at least Hill expires end of season and they get a future 1st for their trouble

Bulls lock in their starting C and are set at 4 positions, Capela doesn't hurt Markkanens game in any way

Bulls sign Beverley

Capela/Carter Jr
Markkanen
Porter Jr
LaVine
Beverley

I'm good with that and still money + 7th pick left over to try and add another piece

[Pnjguy]

Trade Carter and Lavine to the Pels for the #4 and the unprotected Lakers 2021 1st (if top-8, otherwise unprotected in 2022).

Draft Garland and one of Culver, Hunter, Sekou, Reddish.

Sign Butler

Garland, Butler, (Culver/Hunter,Sekou), Porter, Markannen

[gardenofsound]

I think the Bulls should try and get involved to maybe pick up Ilyasova as a bench big while getting some draft compensation from Milwaukee.

Not as interested in Snell.

[bulliedog8]

I hate cp0 and wouldn’t want to give up assets for him. BUTTTTT, I’ve been thinking to myself, I’d do

Bulls: CP0
Rockets: Dunn and Felicio

Nothing else. That gives the rockets like 30 mil in cap spaces saved. We use all our space on cp0. Use mle on Seth Curry.

CP0—Curry
Lavine—Valentine
Porter—Hutchinson
Lauri—sekou (draft pick)
Wendell—back up center

Could be a 6-8 seed this year. All young still

As mentioned the other day, salaries have to match and this suggestion is about $20 million off

I havent seen previous pages, will go back and read. But can you not go into your cap space? Bulls have 24 mil in cap. CP0 salary is 38 million. Dunn and Felicio is 13.3 mil. So 37.3 mil total for CP0 38 mil. Cant do that?

[HoopsterJones]

With the Hawks potentially offering #8 and #10 for the #4 pick, should the Bulls offer #7 and a 2020 top 5 protected FRP? Would that be enough?

[sco]

With the Hawks potentially offering #8 and #10 for the #4 pick, should the Bulls offer #7 and a 2020 top 5 protected FRP? Would that be enough?

We want the Hawks to get #4 because they are unlikely to draft Garland. I prefer that to Knicks trading down #3 and taking Garland.

[ChettheJet]

Sam Smith has three ideas for trades.

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I can see where the ATL idea of trading #7 for #10 and #17 is a gamble but has upside, while I would try to add sending Felicio and taking back Alex Len or if ATL insists Plumlee. That addition would save the Bulls the second year of Felicio.

It makes sense to get Doumbouya and Bol if you're working on signing Beverly or some other veteran PG, then why draft one and have the draftee get reduced minutes for 2-3 years. I haven't heard much about Nickeil Alexander-Walker put maybe he's worth a gamble if he's there at #17 and works his way into the rotation behind Dunn or some FA PG.

The BOS trade seem to be dropping too far. The PHIL trade just forget it.

Just keeping #7 and figuring White is there is the safe usual Bulls way of doing things, as they've done the last 2 years. I'm willing to gamble this time on getting a more spectacular pick that pays off in a year or two.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Trade Carter and Lavine to the Pels for the #4 and the unprotected Lakers 2021 1st (if top-8, otherwise unprotected in 2022).

Draft Garland and one of Culver, Hunter, Sekou, Reddish.

Sign Butler

Garland, Butler, (Culver/Hunter,Sekou), Porter, Markannen

Hahahahahaha wtf - Lavine and Carter are worth heck more than #4 in this weak draft..