2019 Draft Class - Part 2

[clyde21]

not surprising people are falling in love with Garland, legit talent. that combo of handling, shooting, and quick twitch athleticism is hard to find.

[clyde21]

one trade proposal that was suggested on Dunc'd On pod is Pels #4, Hill and Moore to the Pacers for Myles Turner.

i kind of like this deal for both teams, Turner seems like a good fit at the 5 next to Zion and they move the Hill contract, and the Pacers move up to #4 and take Garland to pair with Oladipo, and Sabonis moves to the starting 5 hole.

[crows2]

I think Coby White has a good chance to be the biggest bust in the draft. I watch a lot of college ball and he just never looked like an NBA player to me. He'll be an empty calories scorer off the bench at best. The difference between him and Carsen Edwards (End of 1st) as prospects is minimal in my opinion.

Well the difference is 5 inches in height. If Edwards was 6'5 like White he'd probably be taken in the top 5.

[Roddy B for 3]

Why do you like him so much? I liked him at the start of the year, but he had a really meh season. Was noticeably worse in ACC play and failed to step up after Robinson went down. Blackshear proved to be the better college player. 13-15 is way way too high for NAW. I'm not even sure he's worthy of a first round pick TBH.

Do you think rookie Evan Fournier would be able to have stepped up much more without Justin Robinson than NAW did his sophomore year at Virginia Tech (an ACC school)?

NAW is 6'6" with a 6'9" wingspan who was one of the unquestionable 10 best players in the best college conference. He averaged 17/4/4 for an NCAA tournament 4 seed and lost to a team with Zion, Reddish, Barrett, and Tre Jones and the modernday GOAT college basketball coach, by 5 points.

NAW is an NBA sized 2 guard with a great shoot and played PG, very well and alot in college. That is rare. Their are not 30 players better than him from this draft and historically (roughly) 30 players from each draft become 5+ year career guys who start games.

What is the question on NAW, is he a bad defender? I would say middle of the pack among average 1st round draft hopefully SG's.

His shoot is very good for a projected 1st round pick SG.
His handle is above average.
His PG skills are above average.
His defense is average.
His size is above average.


So a player who projects to be in the top half of average NBA 1st round pick hopefull SG prospects.

HOw was NAW unquestionably one of the 10 best players in the ACC when he didn't even make 1st or 2nd team all conference? He was arguably only the 3rd best player on his own team behind Blackshear and a healthy Robinson. And it's not like he was close to being 2nd team all ACC, there were 3 players on the 3rd team who had much more votes than NAW. He was closer to 4th team than he was to 2nd team.

I made an assumption there. Even as I wrote it I regretted it. I just didn't want to delete my entire collum because of one work being wrong.

I don't know all the players on the allACC teams, but I'm very confident NAW should have been 1st or 2nd team.

[karkinos]

lots of teams trying to trade picks

wonder how many think this draft is worse than 2016 as far as depth

[Duke4life831]

I know its dumb, but did ESPN ever release their little analysis on who in the class has the best chance to be an all star and who has the best chance to bust?

[clyde21]

lots of teams trying to trade picks

wonder how many think this draft is worse than 2016 as far as depth

none.

this class is so much deeper than '16 it's not even close

the teams that are trading up are Atlanta/Celtics, who have 3 picks each and don't need to bring on that many rooks.

[nolang1]

I know its dumb, but did ESPN ever release their little analysis on who in the class has the best chance to be an all star and who has the best chance to bust?

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26826780/nba-draft-projections-most-likely-all-stars-player-comps

It's paywall but Zion is 3rd behind Oden and AD out of every prospect they've done since 2005.

[Duke4life831]

I know its dumb, but did ESPN ever release their little analysis on who in the class has the best chance to be an all star and who has the best chance to bust?

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26826780/nba-draft-projections-most-likely-all-stars-player-comps

It's paywall but Zion is 3rd behind Oden and AD out of every prospect they've done since 2005.

Thank you for this. Must have missed it. Don't agree with at all (like every year), but always an interesting read.

[clyde21]

word is Chicago is REALLY enamored with Sekou after his workout for them, not sure how he fits with Markkanen already in the fold (i'd probably take Sekou and look to move Markkanen down the line).

[bwgood77]

not surprising people are falling in love with Garland, legit talent. that combo of handling, shooting, and quick twitch athleticism is hard to find.

Still seems risky. He was RCSI 15th in a down year, and played in 4 games, and has somehow risen. I think it's solely because of guys like Curry, Lillard and Kyrie. But he only played 4 games. His two good ones were against Liberty and Winthrop. Against the best team, USC (who still isn't good - under 500 and in PAC 12) had 1 ast and 6 turnovers.

His level of competition just about to take an enormous uptick.

I mean you are almost drafting a small shooting guard in a PGs body directly out of HS.

I think he could have all kinds of outcomes, but not sure I'd bet on him over other more solid options with what I would consider a better higher more solid floor.

[GimmeDat]

word is Chicago is REALLY enamored with Sekou after his workout for them, not sure how he fits with Markkanen already in the fold (i'd probably take Sekou and look to move Markkanen down the line).

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

[clyde21]

not surprising people are falling in love with Garland, legit talent. that combo of handling, shooting, and quick twitch athleticism is hard to find.

Still seems risky. He was RCSI 15th in a down year, and played in 4 games, and has somehow risen. I think it's solely because of guys like Curry, Lillard and Kyrie. But he only played 4 games. His two good ones were against Liberty and Winthrop. Against the best team, USC (who still isn't good - under 500 and in PAC 12) had 1 ast and 6 turnovers.

His level of competition just about to take an enormous uptick.

I mean you are almost drafting a small shooting guard in a PGs body directly out of HS.

I think he could have all kinds of outcomes, but not sure I'd bet on him over other more solid options with what I would consider a better higher more solid floor.

i think he has better lead guard skills than you're giving him credit for

[clyde21]

word is Chicago is REALLY enamored with Sekou after his workout for them, not sure how he fits with Markkanen already in the fold (i'd probably take Sekou and look to move Markkanen down the line).

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

[bwgood77]

not surprising people are falling in love with Garland, legit talent. that combo of handling, shooting, and quick twitch athleticism is hard to find.

Still seems risky. He was RCSI 15th in a down year, and played in 4 games, and has somehow risen. I think it's solely because of guys like Curry, Lillard and Kyrie. But he only played 4 games. His two good ones were against Liberty and Winthrop. Against the best team, USC (who still isn't good - under 500 and in PAC 12) had 1 ast and 6 turnovers.

His level of competition just about to take an enormous uptick.

I mean you are almost drafting a small shooting guard in a PGs body directly out of HS.

I think he could have all kinds of outcomes, but not sure I'd bet on him over other more solid options with what I would consider a better higher more solid floor.

i think he has better lead guard skills than you're giving him credit for

I almost edited the SG thing because I think he has a good handle but I think his passing may be a bit overrated based on high school stuff. Everyone looks good in high school. The simple fact though is that we don't know...there really isn't enough on him against legit competition. Even in those 4 games against that terrible strength of schedule he averaged more turnovers than assists. I don't place value in such small sample sizes but we have no real evidence of him being a good primary ball handler in real game settings against good post high school competition. It's a good thing for him his 3pt% was so good in those games. Also good for him that most are not that high on this class.

I mean two of your highest ranked guys didn't even really play this year right? Bol and Garland? That doesn't say a ton about the class even though I know you like it.

If Reddish and Little didn't play this year they'd both probably still be top 5.

[GimmeDat]

word is Chicago is REALLY enamored with Sekou after his workout for them, not sure how he fits with Markkanen already in the fold (i'd probably take Sekou and look to move Markkanen down the line).

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

Just thinking about where we could squeeze in minutes for him.. because he'd obviously be a BPA selection and not a needs one. I would figure in his rookie season we'd just give him the backup PF minutes, of which there should be plenty if Lauri slides up to the 5 when WCJ is out. Can't imagine him being ready to handle more mins than that because he's such a project at this stage but if we absolutely had to he could take some/all of Hutchison's minutes.

Porter (34) / Hutchison (14)
Markkanen (24) / Doumbouya (24)
WCJ (34) / Markkanen (10) / extra big (4)

[bwgood77]

word is Chicago is REALLY enamored with Sekou after his workout for them, not sure how he fits with Markkanen already in the fold (i'd probably take Sekou and look to move Markkanen down the line).

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

I wonder if he is on the Suns draft radar at all. I kind of doubt it. He was one of the very first guys I looked at viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1758617#p69433394

[clyde21]

Still seems risky. He was RCSI 15th in a down year, and played in 4 games, and has somehow risen. I think it's solely because of guys like Curry, Lillard and Kyrie. But he only played 4 games. His two good ones were against Liberty and Winthrop. Against the best team, USC (who still isn't good - under 500 and in PAC 12) had 1 ast and 6 turnovers.

His level of competition just about to take an enormous uptick.

I mean you are almost drafting a small shooting guard in a PGs body directly out of HS.

I think he could have all kinds of outcomes, but not sure I'd bet on him over other more solid options with what I would consider a better higher more solid floor.

i think he has better lead guard skills than you're giving him credit for

I almost edited the SG thing because I think he has a good handle but I think his passing may be a bit overrated based on high school stuff. Everyone looks good in high school. The simple fact though is that we don't know...there really isn't enough on him against legit competition. Even in those 4 games against that terrible strength of schedule he averaged more turnovers than assists. I don't place value in such small sample sizes but we have no real evidence of him being a good primary ball handler in real game settings against good post high school competition. It's a good thing for him his 3pt% was so good in those games. Also good for him that most are not that high on this class.

I mean two of your highest ranked guys didn't even really play this year right? Bol and Garland? That doesn't say a ton about the class even though I know you like it.

If Reddish and Little didn't play this year they'd both probably still be top 5.

probably...Cam could still be top 5 though despite his struggles, because sometimes you're intrigued by the talent and the projection.

as for Garland, you're talking about a quick-twitch PG that can shoot the lights out, get off any shot he wants, go anywhere on the court with his handle, his deep threes, with elite CoD and stop-and-go ability who projects as scoring PG who can run some offense and pass...these guys are at a premium right now for good reason, and he's in that exact mold.

as for HS rankings...those things barely make any sense a lot of time...they had Zion 5th I think which is ridiculous.

[bwgood77]

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

Just thinking about where we could squeeze in minutes for him.. because he'd obviously be a BPA selection and not a needs one. I would figure in his rookie season we'd just give him the backup PF minutes, of which there should be plenty if Lauri slides up to the 5 when WCJ is out. Can't imagine him being ready to handle more mins than that because he's such a project at this stage but if we absolutely had to he could take some/all of Hutchison's minutes.

Porter (34) / Hutchison (14)
Markkanen (24) / Doumbouya (20)
WCJ (34) / Markkanen (10) / extra big (4)

I wouldn't see it as an issue. You need 3 legit bigs between your 4/5 positions. I think you could play Sekou and Markannen together or any of the three together in the frontcourt.

But I'm guessing Sekou will be very raw as you say. If you guys did get rid of Lauri though the Suns will take him. We don't care about defense and I'd have an all Wildcat frontcourt!

We could finally add our PG next year in Nico Mannion too and be all Wildcats (3 AZ, 1 Nova, 1 Kentucky)

[clyde21]

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

Just thinking about where we could squeeze in minutes for him.. because he'd obviously be a BPA selection and not a needs one. I would figure in his rookie season we'd just give him the backup PF minutes, of which there should be plenty if Lauri slides up to the 5 when WCJ is out. Can't imagine him being ready to handle more mins than that because he's such a project at this stage but if we absolutely had to he could take some/all of Hutchison's minutes.

Porter (34) / Hutchison (14)
Markkanen (24) / Doumbouya (20)
WCJ (34) / Markkanen (10) / extra big (4)

i think you take Sekou and figure it out later, start Markkanen/WCJ the first year and then run a rotation moving forward, or maybe move Markkanen for a wing/guard at some point in the future.