Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[gambitx777]

Maybe but taking a bet on getting a nearly heaalthy John wall to pair with James harden is interesting. But you have a point

Some kind of wall for cp3 trade he's got one year less than wall but one year more than beal. So its not ideal but maybe that would be better just for a change of pace for every one involved. Maybe a three team shuffling the deck chairs type deal with the heat and Houston .
Wiz get: Anderson and waiters
Houston get wall
Heat get Cp3

That heat team.is cap strapped anyway and they might be open to getting a high price guard and the word on the street was that they wanted wall before he went down and taking walls contract might be the only way they get out of that cp3 deal and wall is a good bit younger and still has promise of being good again. Anderson is on a one year deal and actually fits a need if he can get his **** together. He really hasn't been the same since that girlfriend situation happened to him. And waiters while a little over paid could be good off the bench behind Beal.

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I think Houston would cut us out of the deal and just trade Paul for the Miami players.

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[TGW]

Wall + filler + #9 for Paul + Capella?

Capella is still only 25 and would be a serious talent upgrade in the front court. It would allow us to compete and keep Beal.

Paul
Beal/
Brown Jr.
Parker (resigned)
Capella

With Sato, Bryant, Green off the bench.

[gravytrain24]

Wall + filler + #9 for Paul + Capella?

Capella is still only 25 and would be a serious talent upgrade in the front court. It would allow us to compete and keep Beal.

Paul
Beal/
Brown Jr.
Parker (resigned)
Capella

With Sato, Bryant, Green off the bench.

I think you could just get away with doing Paul for Wall. Plus you can't trade for Capella and have him, Howard and Mahinmi on the roster with Bryant.

[TGW]

Wall + filler + #9 for Paul + Capella?

Capella is still only 25 and would be a serious talent upgrade in the front court. It would allow us to compete and keep Beal.

Paul
Beal/
Brown Jr.
Parker (resigned)
Capella

With Sato, Bryant, Green off the bench.

I think you could just get away with doing Paul for Wall. Plus you can't trade for Capella and have him, Howard and Mahinmi on the roster with Bryant.

The filler, needless to say, would be mahinmi and Howard. We wouldn’t keep those bums.

[gravytrain24]

Wall + filler + #9 for Paul + Capella?

Capella is still only 25 and would be a serious talent upgrade in the front court. It would allow us to compete and keep Beal.

Paul
Beal/
Brown Jr.
Parker (resigned)
Capella

With Sato, Bryant, Green off the bench.

I think you could just get away with doing Paul for Wall. Plus you can't trade for Capella and have him, Howard and Mahinmi on the roster with Bryant.

The filler, needless to say, would be mahinmi and Howard. We wouldn’t keep those bums.

No one would take them both as filler and everyone assumes Bryant is coming back. I don't, i feel like some team with money will see his potential/upside and what he did last year and offer him more than we can.

[gambitx777]

They won't care about the number 9 pick enough to do that. I can see them doing wall and howard for cp3, has to have Howard to make the money work. but they arnt moving capella for a pick and mahinmi.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

So this possibility of trading Beal to the Pelicans...

Al Gauldi on 980 was talking about this... Beal for the #4 and future 1st. Then he suggested the Wizards going nuclear and saying well trade you Beal IF you also take Wall.... So Beal and Wall for the #4.

If we want to just blow it up and allow a new GM to start from scratch, this could be the opportunity to do that.

We make this trade, then move the 4 to Atlanta for the 8 & 10. Now we got 8, 9, 10.

We come out with something like.... Hunter, Doumbouya/Clarke, Herro/K.Johnson.

Add these high 3 picks to a group we can now re-sign of Bryant, Portis, Dekker, Brown jr., Satoransky.


For example, a top 5 of Bryant, Doumouya, Hunter, Keldon Johnson, Satoransky.

Bench of Portis, Dekker, Brown...

Plus we'd now have A LOT of cap flexibility... Just gotta get rid of Howard and Mahinmi.

Beal + Wall for the #4 is something I could see management really going for. They would save a ton of money getting off those contracts.

But if the goal was to actually build a good team going forward, I would not do this. I don't think generating massive cap space is very useful because no elite free agent would want to come here anyhow. That's the only real opportunity cost of Wall's contract: we miss out on the chance to overpay for second-rate free agents.

I'd rather do the trade with just Beal and get back a lot more picks and prospects. If we are rebuilding, we won't be in position to be shopping for a big name free agent in the next 4 years anyhow.

IMO moving Wall is a necessity. This roster is hamstrung with Wall's dead weight, if we can clean the slate this becomes a much more attractive situation for any prospective new GM. More than that, I want a rebuild from the ground up with fresh hard working high character young players. Wall will still view himself as the franchise p!ayer. He recently commented if the Wizards draft a PG he will be his (Wall's) backup. It's a very similar situation to when Arenas was still here with Wall. Arenas just had to go.

I use Beal to move Wall of possible and start over from the ground up. I cut Howard too and eat his contract,because I just want him gone and not dragging down the team with his presence.

With 8,9, 10 .... We can potentially come away with Doumbouya, Clarke, Herro. Well be able to keep our restricted FAs Bryant, Sato, Dekker, Portis. We have last year's pick Brown Jr. I would target low cost young FA that fit in to this team and defense oriented such as Jerian Grant.

This team will not do well next season so we will probably add another high pick 2020. We will be done with Mahinmi. This is when we bring in a visionary young GM, and a new coach he hires. With a roster of young hungry talented high character players, a high draft pick, and wide open cap space to build with.

[NatP4]

Pretty much everything that Super said above. Just start over completely. Rebuild the culture

[nate33]

So this possibility of trading Beal to the Pelicans...

Al Gauldi on 980 was talking about this... Beal for the #4 and future 1st. Then he suggested the Wizards going nuclear and saying well trade you Beal IF you also take Wall.... So Beal and Wall for the #4.

If we want to just blow it up and allow a new GM to start from scratch, this could be the opportunity to do that.

We make this trade, then move the 4 to Atlanta for the 8 & 10. Now we got 8, 9, 10.

We come out with something like.... Hunter, Doumbouya/Clarke, Herro/K.Johnson.

Add these high 3 picks to a group we can now re-sign of Bryant, Portis, Dekker, Brown jr., Satoransky.


For example, a top 5 of Bryant, Doumouya, Hunter, Keldon Johnson, Satoransky.

Bench of Portis, Dekker, Brown...

Plus we'd now have A LOT of cap flexibility... Just gotta get rid of Howard and Mahinmi.

Beal + Wall for the #4 is something I could see management really going for. They would save a ton of money getting off those contracts.

But if the goal was to actually build a good team going forward, I would not do this. I don't think generating massive cap space is very useful because no elite free agent would want to come here anyhow. That's the only real opportunity cost of Wall's contract: we miss out on the chance to overpay for second-rate free agents.

I'd rather do the trade with just Beal and get back a lot more picks and prospects. If we are rebuilding, we won't be in position to be shopping for a big name free agent in the next 4 years anyhow.

IMO moving Wall is a necessity. This roster is hamstrung with Wall's dead weight, if we can clean the slate this becomes a much more attractive situation for any prospective new GM. More than that, I want a rebuild from the ground up with fresh hard working high character young players. Wall will still view himself as the franchise p!ayer. He recently commented if the Wizards draft a PG he will be his (Wall's) backup. It's a very similar situation to when Arenas was still here with Wall. Arenas just had to go.

I use Beal to move Wall of possible and start over from the ground up. I cut Howard too and eat his contract,because I just want him gone and not dragging down the team with his presence.

With 8,9, 10 .... We can potentially come away with Doumbouya, Clarke, Herro. Well be able to keep our restricted FAs Bryant, Sato, Dekker, Portis. We have last year's pick Brown Jr. I would target low cost young FA that fit in to this team and defense oriented such as Jerian Grant.

This team will not do well next season so we will probably add another high pick 2020. We will be done with Mahinmi. This is when we bring in a visionary young GM, and a new coach he hires. With a roster of young hungry talented high character players, a high draft pick, and wide open cap space to build with.

It's really simple:

If we trade Beal alone, we get back maybe 3 lottery picks (or value similar to that).
If we attach Wall to a Beal trade, we maybe get back 1 lottery pick, if that.

If Beal is traded, I'd much rather have Wall and 3 lottery picks than massive cap room and 1 lottery pick. Once Beal is traded, we are in full rebuild. We wouldn't need massive cap room because we wouldn't attract any good free agents anyhow. Cap room would only be needed to buy bad contracts and picks off of people, and we'd have that type of cap room even if Wall was still on the roster just by shedding Beal's contract.

Furthermore, if we keep Wall, the price of dumping him would drop as he worked his way back into shape and the end of his contract drew closer. Why trade him now at a cost of 2 lotto picks when we can wait 2 years and maybe just dump him for an expiring contract?

[Illuminaire]

Beautifully stated, Nate.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, we don't have enough assets right now, and to give up assets in order to dump Wall would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face - as the saying goes.

[payitforward]

Sounds like it would be possible to agree with nat...

...start over completely. Rebuild the culture

& nate...

...If Beal is traded, I'd much rather have Wall and 3 lottery picks than massive cap room and 1 lottery pick. Once Beal is traded, we are in full rebuild. We wouldn't need massive cap room because we wouldn't attract any good free agents anyhow...

...which is a rarity, btw!!

Basically, if we were to trade Beal we would be starting from scratch. In that case, when to trade Wall would become a tactical decision, not a strategic one.

In a way, nat's impulse reflects the sense that there is really no strategy in place at all. & could there would be one, given that we are searching for a new PoBO?

Still, it's difficult & frustrating for a fan: when Ernie was fired we all experienced a wonderful sense of relief, & I suppose it's the fact that change was so long overdue which makes this limbo we're in so hard to bear.

[NatP4]

Ill go ahead and say it. Wall was a huge part of the culture issue. Rebuilding that culture would require him to go. The problem like Ruz said, is that we need all the assets we can get. Which is why I’m partially still in favor of drafting Brandon Clarke and keeping Beal and trying to be semi competitive and fun. It’s far more enjoyable to watch the Beal-led wall-less wizards play.

The best option is PROBABLY to trade Beal and just tank for 4 years though.

[Rafael122]

My understanding of TPE's is that you can bring back 125% of the salary. So the Markieff Morris TPE that is $8.6 million can go up to $10.75 million. If I'm correct, I would make the following moves:

Trade for Ersan Illyasova's contract and the 30th pick, absorbing it into the Otto Porter TPE.

OKC is rumored to have Andre Roberson, Adams, and Schroeder on the block and are dangling their first round pick.

Phoenix is rumored to have TJ Warren on the block. I would either trade for Roberson and OKC's 1st round pick, OR Warren and Phoenix's 2019 second round pick in the Morris TPE.

Option A:

9th pick, 30th pick, Ersan Illyasova

Option B:

9th pick, 21st pick, Andre Roberson

Option C:

9th pick, 32nd pick, TJ Warren

Personally, I'd rather have Option C but I don't think Phoenix is trading Warren to get cap space. Roberson's injury is a complete mystery, so Option B is out of the question which makes Option A the most realistic. You could always talk to Boston and see if they're willing to trade 14 and 20 for 9 which gives us 3 first rounders.

Just spitballing here, the Wizards have 4 legitimate TPE's that can be used and the next two days are a really good opportunity to take advantage of teams that need to trim salary.

[payitforward]

These are good ideas -- haven't looked at how they would affect our cap/tax situation, but maybe one or more would work. I don't want the Suns deal, however, as Warren's guaranteed too much $$ for too long.

I'm not sure how many if any of these teams feel desperate enough that they'd include those picks.

[wall_glizzy]

I don't want the Suns deal, however, as Warren's guaranteed too much $$ for too long.

$11.75 million a year for the next three is more than palatable - Warren's a walking bucket, and would be great in a 6th man role or similar. I'd much rather we spend that on him than Portis or Parker, if either would even sign a similar deal. He's also right on Beal's timeline, and I always like to pick up local guys (North Carolina, in this case).

The question of acquiring the supposed 2nd round pick the Suns want for him, on the other hand...

[gambitx777]

I would offer them Ian and cash for Warren and the 32. They get that deal off their cap because they have a crowed wing core right now assuming they want to keep Kelley. They need some big depth and Ian might fit if they wanna save some money for next year and they are only burning a couple mill of their cap this year taking on ian. I would be happy trading for Warren, over, over spending on someone else.

I don't want the Suns deal, however, as Warren's guaranteed too much $$ for too long.

$11.75 million a year for the next three is more than palatable - Warren's a walking bucket, and would be great in a 6th man role or similar. I'd much rather we spend that on him than Portis or Parker, if either would even sign a similar deal. He's also right on Beal's timeline, and I always like to pick up local guys (North Carolina, in this case).

The question of acquiring the supposed 2nd round pick the Suns want for him, on the other hand...

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I don't want the Suns deal, however, as Warren's guaranteed too much $$ for too long.

$11.75 million a year for the next three is more than palatable - Warren's a walking bucket, and would be great in a 6th man role or similar. I'd much rather we spend that on him than Portis or Parker, if either would even sign a similar deal. He's also right on Beal's timeline, and I always like to pick up local guys (North Carolina, in this case).

The question of acquiring the supposed 2nd round pick the Suns want for him, on the other hand...

Well, what's so great about him if he gets called for walking all the time?

More seriously... yes, like you, I'd rather have Warren than either Portis or Parker at that salary. But that's not saying much. & it's very different from spending an asset to acquire him.

[gambitx777]

Imo Parker is worth about 2-5 Milla year and Portia is worth 6-10 a year. If ariza wants to take mid level exception money cool but if not I wouldn't mind looking into Warren! I look for ariza to go to the Lakers honestly. Like I said cash and Ian for Warren and 32 makes sense. It's a cap dump and a back of the bench big man slot filled for them and we are bassically buying the pick from them. Honestly makes sense for both teams.


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[NatP4]

no no no, Portis and Ariza can kick rocks. We only want to play guys that will be part of the teams future going forward. I guess Parker can come back if we decline his option and re sign him for chump change, but even he sucks at basketball usually.