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Post#1 » by stitches » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:58 pm

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So... it's Allen... AND 23.... AND future 1st. ROFLMAO.
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Post#2 » by sipclip » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:00 pm

This is such a damn joke. We are giving up 2 1sts, Allen and Crowder.

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Post#3 » by Luigi » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:00 pm

The fit is going to be incredible. I'm not super happy about the future pick. But I'm looking forward to the new lineup! We could be looking at a top 4 seed this year.

Conley (32) / Neto (16)
Mitchel (34) / Exum (14)
Ingles (32) / O'Neale (16)
Favors (10) / MLE (26) / Niang (12)
Gobert (32) / Favors (16) / Bradley

I hope Conley likes it here and he signs an extension either next summer or the summer after that.
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Post#4 » by KqWIN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:04 pm

Well damn. I am excited about getting Conley. But this is a high cost. If we were willing to trade two firsts now, we should have done it at the deadline.

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Post#5 » by stitches » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:05 pm

We gave up a package that is in the realm of the Kawhi trade. What a joke. We better win the championship...
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Post#6 » by Luigi » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:06 pm

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Post#7 » by sipclip » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:06 pm

Luigi wrote:The fit is going to be incredible. I'm not super happy about the future pick. But I'm looking forward to the new lineup! We could be looking at a top 4 seed this year.

Conley (32) /
Mitchel (35) /
Ingles (32)
Favors (8) /
Gobert (32) / Favors (

I hope Conley likes it here and he signs an extension either next summer or the summer after that.
The fit is not incredible and getting excited about a top 4 seed is a joke. We just gave up 3 1st round picks and all our capspace for a 32yr old pg that doesn't want to be here. Once again Lindsey gets trade raped and I have to endure local radio talking out of their ass. When this blows up in our face heads need to role.

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Post#8 » by stitches » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:10 pm

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Horrible protections. We couldn't even get the turns into 2 seconds protection. WTF is that? Just complete BS. Lightly protected 22-24? ARE YOU **** KIDDING ME DL?
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Post#9 » by Fischella » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:12 pm

This is an overpay

Conley didn't have a particularly strong market, you give up 23rd in this class which is a good pick due to some dumb teams picking ahead (right range to get a good value player if you know how to draft), Allen I don't care much for but fine, Korver is a valuable rotation guy in the RS and you just gave 2 2nds for him, Crowder is key to unlock your best lineup

That 2020 pick with its protections it's likely conveying in 2022 (the HS draft aka the double-draft) as a 15-30 pick, I do expect Utah will be a PO team with Gobert+Mitchell, but still, that's valuable, that class could be deep as ****

Conley improves this team, but Favors+Gobert is still a problem, you are giving up valuable capspace, I just hope they didn't do this because they didn't want to give up Dante

I'd have pushed for Favors+Exum+Allen+23rd+future 1st (making the protections stronger in 2022)
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Post#10 » by Luigi » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:12 pm

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Luigi wrote:The fit is going to be incredible. I'm not super happy about the future pick. But I'm looking forward to the new lineup! We could be looking at a top 4 seed this year.

Conley (32) / Neto (16) / Vet Min
Mitchel (34) / Exum (14)
Ingles (32) / O'Neale (16)
Favors (10) / MLE (26) / Niang (12)
Gobert (32) / Favors (16) / Bradley

I hope Conley likes it here and he signs an extension either next summer or the summer after that.
The fit is not incredible and getting excited about a top 4 seed is a joke. We just gave up 3 1st round picks and all our capspace for a 32yr old pg that doesn't want to be here. Once again Lindsey gets trade raped and I have to endure local radio talking out of their ass. When this blows up in our face heads need to role.

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I think the fit is incredible on the floor.
Top 4 seeds in the west are rare. We could hit a homerun from there, you never know
Allen was a miss. I wasn't excited for 2019's pick. We'll see what happens to that future first.
I think we weren't getting anything for the capspace. Russell would have let us know. Others headed elsewhere.

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Post#11 » by KqWIN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:12 pm

This is an extremely high cost and an admission of a mistake by the FO. Memphis wanted two firsts the whole time. If we were ever going to give up two firsts, it should have been at the deadline so we could have had him for the playoff run. I'd say Conley's value has depreciated by about 40% since the deadline.

Conley is good, cost is extremely high.
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Post#12 » by stitches » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:14 pm

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Post#13 » by reapaman » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:14 pm

I was honestly about to try to be positive until I saw the details of the picks and realized Conley can ET 20-21 if he wants thus making him possibly a one year rental along with taking much of the cap space for this off-season.

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Post#14 » by Daddy 801 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:16 pm

Highly disappointed in the trade. DL lost out big. I would have much rather over paid Bojan and let Donny run the point. At least we could have had a guy under contract for a few years.

IF DL goes out and squires another high level player this will be more tolerable. If not, huge fail.
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Post#15 » by KqWIN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:17 pm

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The protection is negative protection :lol:

It'd be better if it was unprotected in the only year you're sure to have the win now guy you traded for.
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Post#16 » by Luigi » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:17 pm

I think draft picks are overrated. It's critical to hit on some of them, but they miss a lot of the time.

We still have the Non-Tax MLE and the Bi-Annual Exception if we want it. Who do you like for 9.2 and 3.6 million?
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Post#17 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:18 pm

This is awful...

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Post#18 » by KqWIN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:20 pm

Luigi wrote:I think draft picks are overrated. It's critical to hit on some of them, but they miss a lot of the time.

We still have the Non-Tax MLE and the Bi-Annual Exception if we want it. Who do you like for 9.2 and 3.6 million?


Have to get someone to play PF. We don't have a single player guaranteed who played PF during the last 3 games of the season.

My guess is that the Jazz have a plan at PF already. Likely Mirotic.
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Post#19 » by stitches » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:20 pm

This might be worse than the Rubio trade...
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Post#20 » by Daddy 801 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:22 pm

We also lost out spacing PF in Crowder. We’re all disappointed he didn’t play better. But the Jazz have great numbers when he is on the floor.

If we don’t get a better replacement for Jae were screwed. We HAVE to get a player who can space the floor.

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