Future Free Agent Thread

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We all better pray that this is just talk but odds are it is real. Sucks to have a gm that is so shortsighted. The other problem is that our media people are in love with Lindsey and think he can do no wrong so they never push back against any of this crap. The worst was Bill Riley yesterday going on non stop about how he would give up 2 firsts no problem for Conley because we couldn't get another star. They are so damn obsessed with trying to find a star that they don't even consider the fact that what we really need are solid role player specialists.

[CAE15]

If the trade goes down, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion he's opting out and leaving us. 34.5 million for a 33 year old Mike Conley is a lot to pass up. Plus if he can last for 12 years in Memphis, hopefully he wouldn't have an issue with at least 2 in Utah if not more, has shown loyalty and Utah's front office stability would probably help. Point Guard is only a need for a handful of teams. Sure it's a possibility but there would be much left to determine

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[KqWIN]

I'm not down for trading two picks for Conley, especially not now. If we're doing it now, we should have at least done it at the deadline where we get one more playoff run with Conley. But I was never a fan of trading two picks. It's just much worse now that you missed out on a playoff run...you could make the argument that Conley has lost about half his value since the deadline.

I do think we're being extra negative, but that's just our nature. Now that we're getting an all star player we want role players now? The Jazz obviously need a major talent upgrade, not a role player upgrade. Mike Conley is a serious talent upgrade and great fit for our system. The cost may be too high...but let's take our needs and Conley at face value. Conley is really good. We desperately need another ball handler and shot creator. I think he makes us a real contender in this post-warriors West.

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I have no problem with the talent level and fit of Conley with the Jazz. I think he adds a ton of what we need. What I'm having a problem with is the continuous waste of long-term assets for short-term solutions. For this trade to make sense, you have to think that it gives you realistic chance at a title THIS SEASON so you are going all in with assets 3 years down the road for the short term increased odds at a championship.

[KqWIN]

I have no problem with the talent level and fit of Conley with the Jazz. I think he adds a ton of what we need. What I'm having a problem with is the continuous waste of long-term assets for short-term solutions. For this trade to make sense, you have to think that it gives you realistic chance at a title THIS SEASON so you are going all in with assets 3 years down the road for the short term increased odds at a championship.

How much does Conley increase our title odds this year versus two late first rounders and Exum? Half of late first rounders don’t even make it to the second contract. The expected value of two late firsts is one rotation player. Not a starter, one rotation player.

Now of course, no medium outcome is going to bring us a title. You’re going to have to have another 99th percentile outcome like drafting Gobert at #27 to build a consistent contender. You’re taking away two of those opportunities by trading them away. But if you’re holding onto that hope through a rose colored lense, you have to do it with Conley too.

Conley IMO, is unquestionably the best player we can acquire. It’s not close. He’s also a lot better than players we were dreaming of acquiring (Harris and Russell). I don’t think that’s a waste. It may be an overpay, but you’re getting something. That something is the best player you can possibly acquire to help you win right now.

What are the chances of winning the West with Conley versus nailing an all star with a late first round pick? It’s obviously more complex than this, but I feel like as fans we put way too much stock in hope. We love the draft because it’s hope. We love tanking because it’s hope. Some people find the draft to be the most exciting thing in the NBA. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it also isn’t in perfect alignment with winning a championship.

A cold, emotionless case for Conley isn’t that terrible. But when you take away a fans hope in the draft, their FA hopes, and trade away players they are big fans of...that’s where people are getting upset I think. We’re also actively embracing the sink cost fallacy with our past failures at getting a PG.

I’ve complained about the FO taking the conservative view so often. I’ve given them a ton of **** for doing nothing and often accused them of being content with doing nothing and not trying to win. I’m not the only one to do this either.

It would be hypocritical of me to not at least play devils advocate here. I agree that the cost of two firsts is probably too high. But I do think we are highly overrating late first round picks and not giving Conley enough credit for the player he is and how he could potentially transform this team. I get the vibe that if Conley doesn’t win us a championship, it’s a failure. But if we’re going that far, do you truly believe that two bad first round picks will win us a championship?

If we’re able to acquire an extra first for Snell or Illyasova, I’m game for this trade.

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I have no problem with the talent level and fit of Conley with the Jazz. I think he adds a ton of what we need. What I'm having a problem with is the continuous waste of long-term assets for short-term solutions. For this trade to make sense, you have to think that it gives you realistic chance at a title THIS SEASON so you are going all in with assets 3 years down the road for the short term increased odds at a championship.

How much does Conley increase our title odds this year versus two late first rounders and Exum? Half of late first rounders don’t even make it to the second contract. The expected value of two late firsts is one rotation player. Not a starter, one rotation player.

Now of course, no medium outcome is going to bring us a title. You’re going to have to have another 99th percentile outcome like drafting Gobert at #27 to build a consistent contender. You’re taking away two of those opportunities by trading them away. But if you’re holding onto that hope through a rose colored lense, you have to do it with Conley too.

Conley IMO, is unquestionably the best player we can acquire. It’s not close. He’s also a lot better than players we were dreaming of acquiring (Harris and Russell). I don’t think that’s a waste. It may be an overpay, but you’re getting something. That something is the best player you can possibly acquire to help you win right now.

What are the chances of winning the West with Conley versus nailing an all star with a late first round pick? It’s obviously more complex than this, but I feel like as fans we put way too much stock in hope. We love the draft because it’s hope. We love tanking because it’s hope. Some people find the draft to be the most exciting thing in the NBA. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it also isn’t in perfect alignment with winning a championship.

A cold, emotionless case for Conley isn’t that terrible. But when you take away a fans hope in the draft, their FA hopes, and trade away players they are big fans of...that’s where people are getting upset I think. We’re also actively embracing the sink cost fallacy with our past failures at getting a PG.

I’ve complained about the FO taking the conservative view so often. I’ve given them a ton of **** for doing nothing and often accused them of being content with doing nothing and not trying to win. I’m not the only one to do this either.

It would be hypocritical of me to not at least play devils advocate here. I agree that the cost of two firsts is probably too high. But I do think we are highly overrating late first round picks and not giving Conley enough credit for the player he is and how he could potentially transform this team. I get the vibe that if Conley doesn’t win us a championship, it’s a failure. But if we’re going that far, do you truly believe that two bad first round picks will win us a championship?

If we’re able to acquire an extra first for Snell or Illyasova, I’m game for this trade.

It's not JUST the 2 picks vs Conley... it's the 2picks +35M of capspace or Conley. You also could have those 2 picks for combined 8 season at minuscule pay. The cost of Conley is not just what you give up assets-wise, it's that you give him 35M salary too... it's that you are completely eliminating the chance at getting a long-term solution at the position. Pretty much you are going all in for this coming season. That's it. There is no other read here. If you think this team is good enough to compete with the best in the league this coming season with Conley on the roster(minus whatever we will give up), then you do it.

OK, let me put it like this - if I could give those same 2 picks for Dinwiddie's 3 years I'd do it. I think Dinwiddie+25M of capspace for 3 years gives us better chance at a title than Conley this coming year.

To me trading for Conley is the conservative way, not the upside path.

[Inigo Montoya]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/jazz-the-frontrunners-for-mike-conley/ via @hoopshype

A second FRP reportedly involved? For a guy who might leave after one season?

I will be pissed off when this happens... I really hope this is MEM trying to entice other teams to outbid... We should already be looking for the next PG rental we can waste a 1st round pick for next year. Who's the next candidate?

Ugh. Let's just bring back Jamaal Tinsley and be done with it.

[Daddy 801]

Now that we know we have Conley who are the best players we can sign with the exceptions we have?

My first reaction for the mid level is Rudy Gay. We need a spacing big. I have no idea for the other 3 million dollar exception.

Also, can we still get to max if we waive Favors? Who else would have to be shipped out?

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Now that we know we have Conley who are the best players we can sign with the exceptions we have?

My first reaction for the mid level is Rudy Gay. We need a spacing big. I have no idea for the other 3 million dollar exception.

Also, can we still get to max if we waive Favors? Who else would have to be shipped out?

We can have $17M in cap space if we waive Favors, otherwise we will only have the $4.7M room exception. Since everyone is bragging about getting this deal done w/o Favors, safe to say the plan is to keep him.

We have $4.7 M and no 4's.

[Daddy 801]

Now that we know we have Conley who are the best players we can sign with the exceptions we have?

My first reaction for the mid level is Rudy Gay. We need a spacing big. I have no idea for the other 3 million dollar exception.

Also, can we still get to max if we waive Favors? Who else would have to be shipped out?

We can have $17M in cap space if we waive Favors, otherwise we will only have the $4.7M room exception. Since everyone is bragging about getting this deal done w/o Favors, safe to say the plan is to keep him.

We have $4.7 M and no 4's.

I just saw in the other thread we don’t have the Mid Level by taking on Conley. That makes this deal muchhhh worse. Eff.

[Inigo Montoya]

Now that we know we have Conley who are the best players we can sign with the exceptions we have?

My first reaction for the mid level is Rudy Gay. We need a spacing big. I have no idea for the other 3 million dollar exception.

Also, can we still get to max if we waive Favors? Who else would have to be shipped out?

I was joking earlier about bringing Jamaal Tinsley back but with the amount of cap space we have left it might be the best move we can make...

[Calhamid94]

We need a 4 and a backup PG. Exum is too injury prone. I wouldn’t mind contacting the pelicans for Josh Hart or maybe going after Seth Curry. If we sign and trade favors, maybe we can get a solid stretch 4 in return. When’s the latest we can opt in on Favors?

[Calhamid94]

Conley is a big upgrade over Rubio, especially defensively. If we got as far as we did with Rubio, imagine what we can do with a healthy and hungry Conley. We got to be positive about this trade. It’s already done and there’s nothing we can do about it. We have to have faith in our team that they still have a couple tricks up their sleeve.

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We should offer our MLE to Jabari...and hope he's desperate enough to take it.

[KqWIN]

We should offer our MLE to Jabari...and hope he's desperate enough to take it.

That's actually probably the best we can do.

Hey Jabari, you may be unplayable, be we don't have any playable players at your position. Sign please.

[Inigo Montoya]

We should offer our MLE to Jabari...and hope he's desperate enough to take it.

That's actually probably the best we can do.

Hey Jabari, you may be unplayable, be we don't have any playable players at your position. Sign please.

[KqWIN]

Here are some candidates to play PF for us next year :LOL:

Anthony Tolliver
Jabari Parker
Thabo Sefalosha
Stanley Johnson
Sam Dekker
Luol Deng

[Inigo Montoya]

I wouldn't mind trying Jabari, though I think he'll sign elsewhere for more. The rest of this list is just sad.

[KqWIN]

The Jazz were +25 per100 in their small ball lineups last season (Only one C or PF)...but we only played small ball for a total of 109 minutes RS+Playoffs.

Conley+Mitchell+O'Neale+Ingles+Gobert is probably going to be our closing 5.

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I know he's not a PF but I want us to make a play on Reggie Bullock.