2019 Draft Class - Part 2

[bwgood77]

i think he has better lead guard skills than you're giving him credit for

I almost edited the SG thing because I think he has a good handle but I think his passing may be a bit overrated based on high school stuff. Everyone looks good in high school. The simple fact though is that we don't know...there really isn't enough on him against legit competition. Even in those 4 games against that terrible strength of schedule he averaged more turnovers than assists. I don't place value in such small sample sizes but we have no real evidence of him being a good primary ball handler in real game settings against good post high school competition. It's a good thing for him his 3pt% was so good in those games. Also good for him that most are not that high on this class.

I mean two of your highest ranked guys didn't even really play this year right? Bol and Garland? That doesn't say a ton about the class even though I know you like it.

If Reddish and Little didn't play this year they'd both probably still be top 5.

probably...Cam could still be top 5 though despite his struggles, because sometimes you're intrigued by the talent and the projection.

as for Garland, you're talking about a quick-twitch PG that can shoot the lights out, get off any shot he wants, go anywhere on the court with his handle, his deep threes, with elite CoD and stop-and-go ability who projects as scoring PG who can run some offense and pass...these guys are at a premium right now for good reason, and he's in that exact mold.

as for HS rankings...those things barely make any sense a lot of time...they had Zion 5th I think which is ridiculous.

Well yeah, almost all HS rankings in parts are ridiculous in hindsight. Wiggins and Parker were 1 and 2....they usually stick. Will be interesting if Porter Jr plays this next year...another #1 prospect...

You probably don't have to worry about him being in the running for rookie of the year though.

[GimmeDat]

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

Just thinking about where we could squeeze in minutes for him.. because he'd obviously be a BPA selection and not a needs one. I would figure in his rookie season we'd just give him the backup PF minutes, of which there should be plenty if Lauri slides up to the 5 when WCJ is out. Can't imagine him being ready to handle more mins than that because he's such a project at this stage but if we absolutely had to he could take some/all of Hutchison's minutes.

Porter (34) / Hutchison (14)
Markkanen (24) / Doumbouya (20)
WCJ (34) / Markkanen (10) / extra big (4)

i think you take Sekou and figure it out later, start Markkanen/WCJ the first year and then run a rotation moving forward, or maybe move Markkanen for a wing/guard at some point in the future.

Yeah, I mean if we're in a position where we have to pick one of Lauri/Sekou, then we've hit on Sekou and probably made the best pick available at 7, so no complaints there.

I really like Markkanen, want him here going forward, so Doumbouya would have to be pretty good, but obviously all that is pretty far down the track. I think as bwgood said above though, for the foreseeable future they can easily all co-exist.

[clyde21]

I almost edited the SG thing because I think he has a good handle but I think his passing may be a bit overrated based on high school stuff. Everyone looks good in high school. The simple fact though is that we don't know...there really isn't enough on him against legit competition. Even in those 4 games against that terrible strength of schedule he averaged more turnovers than assists. I don't place value in such small sample sizes but we have no real evidence of him being a good primary ball handler in real game settings against good post high school competition. It's a good thing for him his 3pt% was so good in those games. Also good for him that most are not that high on this class.

I mean two of your highest ranked guys didn't even really play this year right? Bol and Garland? That doesn't say a ton about the class even though I know you like it.

If Reddish and Little didn't play this year they'd both probably still be top 5.

probably...Cam could still be top 5 though despite his struggles, because sometimes you're intrigued by the talent and the projection.

as for Garland, you're talking about a quick-twitch PG that can shoot the lights out, get off any shot he wants, go anywhere on the court with his handle, his deep threes, with elite CoD and stop-and-go ability who projects as scoring PG who can run some offense and pass...these guys are at a premium right now for good reason, and he's in that exact mold.

as for HS rankings...those things barely make any sense a lot of time...they had Zion 5th I think which is ridiculous.

Well yeah, almost all HS rankings in parts are ridiculous in hindsight. Wiggins and Parker were 1 and 2....they usually stick. Will be interesting if Porter Jr plays this next year...another #1 prospect...

You probably don't have to worry about him being in the running for rookie of the year though.

[clyde21]

Just thinking about where we could squeeze in minutes for him.. because he'd obviously be a BPA selection and not a needs one. I would figure in his rookie season we'd just give him the backup PF minutes, of which there should be plenty if Lauri slides up to the 5 when WCJ is out. Can't imagine him being ready to handle more mins than that because he's such a project at this stage but if we absolutely had to he could take some/all of Hutchison's minutes.

Porter (34) / Hutchison (14)
Markkanen (24) / Doumbouya (20)
WCJ (34) / Markkanen (10) / extra big (4)

i think you take Sekou and figure it out later, start Markkanen/WCJ the first year and then run a rotation moving forward, or maybe move Markkanen for a wing/guard at some point in the future.

Yeah, I mean if we're in a position where we have to pick one of Lauri/Sekou, then we've hit on Sekou and probably made the best pick available at 7, so no complaints there.

I really like Markkanen, want him here going forward, so Doumbouya would have to be pretty good, but obviously all that is pretty far down the track. I think as bwgood said above though, for the foreseeable future they can easily all co-exist.

yea, and if you really want Markkanen, nothing says he can't be your first big off the bench, he'll get his minutes regardless if he warrants them.

[bwgood77]

probably...Cam could still be top 5 though despite his struggles, because sometimes you're intrigued by the talent and the projection.

as for Garland, you're talking about a quick-twitch PG that can shoot the lights out, get off any shot he wants, go anywhere on the court with his handle, his deep threes, with elite CoD and stop-and-go ability who projects as scoring PG who can run some offense and pass...these guys are at a premium right now for good reason, and he's in that exact mold.

as for HS rankings...those things barely make any sense a lot of time...they had Zion 5th I think which is ridiculous.

Well yeah, almost all HS rankings in parts are ridiculous in hindsight. Wiggins and Parker were 1 and 2....they usually stick. Will be interesting if Porter Jr plays this next year...another #1 prospect...

You probably don't have to worry about him being in the running for rookie of the year though.

I can't wait though to see it if Porter super balls and really puts the Nuggets on the map, and Zion is slightly better but not clear cut better.....your thoughts on who should win. I'm sure you'll speak up on that matter.

However, I don't think that's in the realm of possibility, though I would kind of like it because I like Denver.

I am so sick of all the top prospects going west though. I am not sure the Suns will ever be good in my lifetime again.

[Roddy B for 3]

Can Sekou play some 3 in your opinion?

eh, i guess he could?...but why? he's much more intriguing as a 4. if you're drafting him to play the 3 don't draft him at all IMO

Just thinking about where we could squeeze in minutes for him.. because he'd obviously be a BPA selection and not a needs one. I would figure in his rookie season we'd just give him the backup PF minutes, of which there should be plenty if Lauri slides up to the 5 when WCJ is out. Can't imagine him being ready to handle more mins than that because he's such a project at this stage but if we absolutely had to he could take some/all of Hutchison's minutes.

Porter (34) / Hutchison (14)
Markkanen (24) / Doumbouya (24)
WCJ (34) / Markkanen (10) / extra big (4)

I think Doumbouya will be able to play C. Not every night and not against all teams, but I think he could play well against certain opponent lineups. Lauri is a very dissmilar defensive 5 imo, but I think he too can hold up against certain opponent lineups.

So WCJ could play heavy minutes and then either Lauri or Sekou plays back up depending on the match up.

[shakes0]

Do you think rookie Evan Fournier would be able to have stepped up much more without Justin Robinson than NAW did his sophomore year at Virginia Tech (an ACC school)?

NAW is 6'6" with a 6'9" wingspan who was one of the unquestionable 10 best players in the best college conference. He averaged 17/4/4 for an NCAA tournament 4 seed and lost to a team with Zion, Reddish, Barrett, and Tre Jones and the modernday GOAT college basketball coach, by 5 points.

NAW is an NBA sized 2 guard with a great shoot and played PG, very well and alot in college. That is rare. Their are not 30 players better than him from this draft and historically (roughly) 30 players from each draft become 5+ year career guys who start games.

What is the question on NAW, is he a bad defender? I would say middle of the pack among average 1st round draft hopefully SG's.

His shoot is very good for a projected 1st round pick SG.
His handle is above average.
His PG skills are above average.
His defense is average.
His size is above average.


So a player who projects to be in the top half of average NBA 1st round pick hopefull SG prospects.

HOw was NAW unquestionably one of the 10 best players in the ACC when he didn't even make 1st or 2nd team all conference? He was arguably only the 3rd best player on his own team behind Blackshear and a healthy Robinson. And it's not like he was close to being 2nd team all ACC, there were 3 players on the 3rd team who had much more votes than NAW. He was closer to 4th team than he was to 2nd team.

I made an assumption there. Even as I wrote it I regretted it. I just didn't want to delete my entire collum because of one work being wrong.

I don't know all the players on the allACC teams, but I'm very confident NAW should have been 1st or 2nd team.

so you make one wrong assumption, but then double down by making yet another assumption?

NAW barely made 3rd team all conference, he was a lot closer to 4th team than 2nd team. His play definitely got worse once conference play started. There is no way he deserved to be listed amongst the top 10 players in the ACC, not even close.

Blackshear
Guy
Hunter
Jerome
Cam Johnson
Zion
RJ
Coby White
May
Nwora
Bowman
Reed
Battle

That's 13 players right there who inarguably had better years than NAW.

[karkinos]

https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2019/6/19/18684386/nba-draft-2019-chris-vernon-prospects

shamorie ponds...good 2nd round value

[No-Man]

ADmiral Schofield as safe lmao

[NotACat]

https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2019/6/19/18684386/nba-draft-2019-chris-vernon-prospects

shamorie ponds...good 2nd round value

Really surprised he isn't getting more buzz. He was solid last year and would've been a second rounder. I feel like he really refined his game and really improved, yet is still mocked in the same range in a weaker draft. His only limitations is his size and frame, that kid works hard. Really curious to see where he ends up and how he does if he has the opportunity to play.

[karkinos]

well to be fair, he was absolutely shut down by duke

[clyde21]

well to be fair, he was absolutely shut down by duke

Tre Jones is an elite defensive PG

[Roddy B for 3]

HOw was NAW unquestionably one of the 10 best players in the ACC when he didn't even make 1st or 2nd team all conference? He was arguably only the 3rd best player on his own team behind Blackshear and a healthy Robinson. And it's not like he was close to being 2nd team all ACC, there were 3 players on the 3rd team who had much more votes than NAW. He was closer to 4th team than he was to 2nd team.

I made an assumption there. Even as I wrote it I regretted it. I just didn't want to delete my entire collum because of one work being wrong.

I don't know all the players on the allACC teams, but I'm very confident NAW should have been 1st or 2nd team.

so you make one wrong assumption, but then double down by making yet another assumption?

NAW barely made 3rd team all conference, he was a lot closer to 4th team than 2nd team. His play definitely got worse once conference play started. There is no way he deserved to be listed amongst the top 10 players in the ACC, not even close.

Blackshear
Guy
Hunter
Jerome
Cam Johnson
Zion
RJ
Coby White
May
Nwora
Bowman
Reed
Battle

That's 13 players right there who inarguably had better years than NAW.

Like May is not a better basketball player than NAW.

I don't even think you think that.

Which if the two do you have higher in your big board?

[shakes0]

I made an assumption there. Even as I wrote it I regretted it. I just didn't want to delete my entire collum because of one work being wrong.

I don't know all the players on the allACC teams, but I'm very confident NAW should have been 1st or 2nd team.

so you make one wrong assumption, but then double down by making yet another assumption?

NAW barely made 3rd team all conference, he was a lot closer to 4th team than 2nd team. His play definitely got worse once conference play started. There is no way he deserved to be listed amongst the top 10 players in the ACC, not even close.

Blackshear
Guy
Hunter
Jerome
Cam Johnson
Zion
RJ
Coby White
May
Nwora
Bowman
Reed
Battle

That's 13 players right there who inarguably had better years than NAW.

Like May is not a better basketball player than NAW.

I don't even think you think that.

Which if the two do you have higher in your big board?

how does that have anything to do with who was the better player this year????

[VCfor3]

So after the Conley trade, who should Memphis potentially be looking at with #23? That range is a lot of unknowns for me so thought I'd ask people that actually have looked at those players.

[Yuri Vaultin]

So after the Conley trade, who should Memphis potentially be looking at with #23? That range is a lot of unknowns for me so thought I'd ask people that actually have looked at those players.

Matisse Thybulle or whoever falls. Hard to guess who without knowing how the draft shapes up.

[Coeur]

So after the Conley trade, who should Memphis potentially be looking at with #23? That range is a lot of unknowns for me so thought I'd ask people that actually have looked at those players.

Matisse Thybulle or whoever falls. Hard to guess who without knowing how the draft shapes up.

That would be a good pick. I think that range will be the sweet spot for SG’s and the PF’s maybe?


I’m really thinking a big part of picks 8-22 will be the group of bigs. Goga/Bolbol/Hayes/claxton/kabegele all go before 23

Herro goes before 23. Rui/Clarke/Doumboya all gone.

[VCfor3]

So after the Conley trade, who should Memphis potentially be looking at with #23? That range is a lot of unknowns for me so thought I'd ask people that actually have looked at those players.

Matisse Thybulle or whoever falls. Hard to guess who without knowing how the draft shapes up.

That would be a good pick. I think that range will be the sweet spot for SG’s and the PF’s maybe?


I’m really thinking a big part of picks 8-22 will be the group of bigs. Goga/Bolbol/Hayes/claxton/kabegele all go before 23

Herro goes before 23. Rui/Clarke/Doumboya all gone.

Maybe Grant Williams falls? People seem high on him though I don't know if you guys recommend a different player due to fit/upset/whatever. Quickly looking at Thybulle, he sounds like he'd be a good fit next to Ja on the defensive end.

SI has us taking Kabegele in their updated mock draft. I know nothing about him though.

Appreciate the responses guys!

[Upperclass]

Why isn't Jordan Caroline being considered as a draftable talent?

[Coeur]

Why isn't Jordan Caroline being considered as a draftable talent?

I love him as a 2nd round pick. I’ve asked the same question. I’m convinced it’s just the standard reason. I don’t think people even watch pac or west coast basketball.

I think he for sure get picked and plays. He’s going to be what these guys are hoping Horton-tucker could be