Shams: Jazz trade for Conley...

[Inigo Montoya]

The draft and free agency haven't even started yet, while we made most of our moves. Now it's the rest of the league's time to get better. By the time it's all over, the Jazz will likely be at the same position they were in the past 2-3 seasons.

[VCfor3]

Conley puts you in the mix this year in the wide open West. You guys gave up a bit more than I expected, but if Indy was offering 18+similarly protected future 1st it may have just been the price you had to pay.

As for DLo, I think he was unlikely and I mean that with all due respect (Memphis is an even less appealing FA destination so I feel your pain). I could see him going to NYK to be the guy in a big market if BKN gets a 2nd max guys and renounces him. If they only get Irving I think they hold on to DLo with the thought of trading him later if needed.

[Luigi]

The draft and free agency havene't even started yet, while we made most of our moves. Now it's the rest of the league's time to get better. By the time it's all over, the Jazz will likely be at the same position they were in the past 2-3 seasons.

I'm more optimistic. The only big move to really watch out for is the Clippers getting Leonard.

I don't think Houston can go anywhere, and the Lakers might be a bust. Warriors aren't going to be able to carry a regular season. The top got blown off. Nuggets and Blazers are holding steady. But we've improved. Thunder taking a small step back, and they're already below us. If the Clippers get Leonard, watch out. Otherwise, I think we can manage a Clippers team with Butler or Walker or Russell.

We're not really contenders. But if we get lucky, we could get a nice deep playoff run. And then who knows? Seeding and playoff matchups will be huge.

[babyjax13]

Utah should actually still have the full MLE and BAE after looking at the CBA. It says teams under the cap "may" renounce their exceptions. Problem being, I think if we don't we can't do the trade.

[AGE1207]

Well, I wanted them to swing for the fences this summer and they are certainly giving it a shot.

I am reserving judgment until we are done however.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Utah should actually still have the full MLE and BAE after looking at the CBA. It says teams under the cap "may" renounce their exceptions. Problem being, I think if we don't we can't do the trade.

The full MLE had to be renounced to get the cap space to make the trade work. As far as I understand it, the Jazz have the room ($4.7M), vet mins, and perhaps the BAE, although I am not positive about the BAE and cap space either as it appears to me that the BAE would have had to be waived to get under the cap as well.

[babyjax13]

Utah should actually still have the full MLE and BAE after looking at the CBA. It says teams under the cap "may" renounce their exceptions. Problem being, I think if we don't we can't do the trade.

The full MLE had to be renounced to get the cap space to make the trade work. As far as I understand it, the Jazz have the room ($4.7M), vet mins, and perhaps the BAE, although I am not positive about the BAE and cap space either as it appears to me that the BAE would have had to be waived to get under the cap as well.

Pretty sure you don't get the BAE if you have the room MLE because the BAE is for over the cap teams.

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I love Conley's fit with this team. He's a great player and almost a perfect fit for what Quin runs on offense.

[Crunch 99]

The Mike Conley Trade Makes Utah an Instant Western Conference Contender
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6/19/18691656/mike-conley-utah-memphis-trade

[FJS]

Korver wanted to retire, Allen wasn't gonna play and Crowder was fine sometimes. So irregular. About 1st... you can collect some bradleys, allens and so, but we need something more.
Good trade. Take note offseason just begin and roster it's not over.

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Exum and Conley should play one-on-one for #11 in pre-season camp...

[Inigo Montoya]

Exum and Conley should play one-on-one for #11 in pre-season camp...

And then Exum will get injured and miss the entire season, so he won't have any problem giving up his number to Conley who could leave at the end of that season, or the one after that at the latest.

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[Daddy 801]

I’m done with my negative comments. I’m going to be optimistic.

Lots of the stats do confirm the Jazz will be a seriously upgraded offensive team. I’m hoping the front office can be very aggressive the minute free agency starts with the midlevel guys and maybe take advantage of the other teams going after the upper tier guys. And I’m hoping the Miller family gives DL the green light to spend on a draft pick if he sees someone he likes. If the Miller family gives DL the green light to spend on draft picks this trade could be a good trade.

[babyjax13]

I will say this, I think Conley is the 6th best point guard in the league right now (behind Curry, Lillard, Kemba, Jrue, and Irving, in that order) ... so if that evaluation is correct maybe I'm wrong and this is a good trade. I just don't like what a short term deal this is. You basically have to hope he has Steve Nash's trajectory (best years: 30-37). Conley has had his two best years in two of the last three seasons (missed one) so there is hope that he's actually better - especially in a different system that has two amazing PnR threats and a dynamic backcourt scorer.

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Exum and Conley should play one-on-one for #11 in pre-season camp...

And then Exum will get injured and miss the entire season, so he won't have any problem giving up his number to Conley who could leave at the end of that season, or the one after that at the latest.

Worse scenario is if Exum injures Conley....

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I’m done with my negative comments. I’m going to be optimistic.

Lots of the stats do confirm the Jazz will be a seriously upgraded offensive team. I’m hoping the front office can be very aggressive the minute free agency starts with the midlevel guys and maybe take advantage of the other teams going after the upper tier guys. And I’m hoping the Miller family gives DL the green light to spend on a draft pick if he sees someone he likes. If the Miller family gives DL the green light to spend on draft picks this trade could be a good trade.

Same... i'm done with my negativity on that trade. It is what it is... now lets see how we can complete the roster, because we don't have much shooting from the bigs position at all right now...

[Luigi]

Ok, so here's the highly optimistic take:

- Crowder stinks! How did he get his reputation? He shoots bricks all night, but somehow counts as a stretch 4. He gets beat to every ball, but somehow he counts as a hustle player. He can't move laterally, but counts as a defender. He's just not an asset. He's salary filler. (I admit, I liked him. But he's not a good basketball player.)

- Allen sucks! He was supposed to be NBA ready after 4 years in college. He couldn't earn minutes all season, and it's not like he has a high ceiling. He's not worth his rookie scale contract. We lost this pick well before the trade. He's filler at best.

- Korver is ancient. Mike Conley is 32, but Kyle Korver is 38. Retiring filler.

- #23 is looking mediocre this year. 2022 top 6 protected isn't that valuable. We're in the playoffs in 2022 anyway after extending Mitchell. These are late first rounders, guys. Not even lotto picks.

We got a good player for a bunch of scrubs.

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What does that mean this season?

- The Rockets are crumbling before our eyes.
- The Warriors are out a season with injury.
- We were right in the mix with every other team in the NBA for the past 2 seasons.
- We got 50 wins on Rubio's jumpshot.
- Swap Rubio out for Mike Conley and put another year of development on Donnovan Mitchell. That's at least a couple wins. If we can get 5 out of it, we're looking at the top of the West.

- The East sucks. Raptors beat the Warriors in 6, but it was close, and the injuries were incredible. The Raps, 6ers, Bucks are all pretty close, with nowhere to improve.

Warriors against the Raptors (6 games):
- KD played 0.25 games
-Thompson played 4.5 games, at less than 100%
- Looney played 5 games, at less than 100%
+ Cousins played 6 games, though limited by his quad
Result: Raptors win 4 against a banged up JV Warriors team.

Warriors against the Rockets (6 games):
- KD played 4.75 games
- Thompson played 6 games, at full strength
- Looney played 6 games at full strength
+ Cousins played 0 games, out to quad injury
Result: Rockets win 2 while the Warriors were a healthy All Star Team and can't finish the job.

So the Raptors got a very depleted Warriors. The Rockets got 2 wins over a healthy Warriors team. That's a lot more than the Raptors can say about their series with the Warriors. Kudos for the title. Leonard is a beast. But that was a rough finals. Not to mention the past 2 years of data for the Warriors and Rockets at full strength. The top 2 teams are out, and the others don't have a way to improve. But we just did.

If things come together, this could be a really fun year. I don't think we're title contenders or anything. But if we get Toronto style luck and a good vibe, who knows?

[zero24gravity]

I can't possibly read through all 6+ pages of posts at this point, but I'm SHOCKED at the negativity I'm seeing.

This is a GREAT deal for Utah! (Better than the reports we heard about the mid-season Conley trade.) Are you haters kidding me? Historically, the team that gets the All-Star and gives up lower level players (and non top 5 picks) pretty much always win, especially when the player isn't in the last year of his contract.

Korver is likely to retire.
Allen wasn't a rotation player, and appears to be an 8th man at best.
Crowder was decent.
.... plus 2 late 1st round picks that are unlikely to be anything more than a deep-bench players.
Then, in addition, the Jazz keep Favors if they want to (who is vastly underappreciated by many fans), and they keep Exum (yeah, I know that he's a mixed emotion guy, but if you want to keep low 1st round picks for their "potential" then Exum should still give some excitment to you.)

Not a SINGLE building block or core piece was lost! Hell, not even a single starter is gone!

Sooooo.... the team loses Crowder & a handful of mediocre-at-best assets, and gets back an bonafide Western Conference All Star who fills the need for playmaking, shooting & shotmaking.... and people are unhappy? WTF?

Top free agents are not likely coming here. The FO knows this (and so do most fans), and so they didn't gamble, which would have likely saw them come up empty handed this summer. All the haters say the Jazz aren't aggressive, but then they make the biggest trade in team history, while giving up peanuts, and there's still a lack of love.

Utah now needs to go get someone who is at least a boarder-line starting PF-type, to play Crowder's minutes (Mirotic is probably the dream scenario), because they are razor thin at that spot at this point. Other than that, there's no downside outside of lack of cap flexibility, but again, who were they 100% sure they could get that was as good or better to use that space on?

GO JAZZ!

[babyjax13]

I can't possibly read through all 6+ pages of posts at this point, but I'm SHOCKED at the negativity I'm seeing.

This is a GREAT deal for Utah! (Better than the reports we heard about the mid-season Conley trade.) Are you haters kidding me? Historically, the team that gets the All-Star and gives up lower level players (and non top 5 picks) pretty much always win, especially when the player isn't in the last year of his contract.

Conley can opt out, and likely will for a long-term deal. Will that be with Utah? I have my doubts.