Gordon Hayward Thread

[robdog_5]

Don't think it happens unless we're giving up additional assets to offload.

[soxfan2003]

Hayward needs to be traded sooner rather than later. There is no point in keeping him with Horford leaving. If you are going with youth, go with youth. What's the point of having Hayward around if he wins you 4-5 more games? I would trade him to a team like the Knicks with requisite cap space just to get out from under that deal. Hayward made sense when they were a player away from a championship (or so Ainge thought). He makes no sense now.

Unless 2nd year Williams is some monster player which I am not expecting or Celtics get some great young big on the cheap, 1-2 months in the season you trade Hayward if he is helping you win games and has any decent positive trade value.

In the absence of a modest buyout which I doubt Hayward accepts, keeping Hayward this off-season makes sense since I doubt the Celtics could trade him for real positive value compared to what they could get next year at least. But Hayward averaging 18 PPG since Kyrie/Morris gone may be able to be flipped for a a bad expiring contract and a first round pick. Frankly, Hayward has a chance at least to revive himself so much that some desperate team trades two first for him if Celtics take on a real bad/injured player with just a year left.

With the contracts going out this summer, his deal won't even look all that expensive with 1.5 years left.

I am confident he will score that 18 PPG if Celtics don't bring in new players to chuck up shots. More than enough speed/strength/shooting ability by 2nd half of last year to score 18 PPG against normal NBA teams at least. I mean look at all of the games he put up 30 points. Hard to go 9 for 9 in an NBA game if you are a wing and have all of those 30 point games if you can't play.

I am all for trading Hayward but it is silly to not revive his value with Irving/Horford/possibly Morris off the team. He will get a ton of opportunities to score and so won't Tatum/Brown.

It is no longer even a race for pole position in a great draft but just the bottom 3-4 suffices. Realistically Celtics could be bottom 10 if they don't even do any tanking maneuvers at all.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if you can revive his value, maybe holding on to him makes sense. But suppose you can't? Suppose he starts the 2019 season looking like the player he was against Milwaukee?

I have zero confidence that he will enhance his trade value with his play next year. He may be worth more now, when teams don't know how far he as progressed in his recovery.

[robdog_5]

Well, if you can revive his value, maybe holding on to him makes sense. But suppose you can't? Suppose he starts the 2019 season looking like the player he was against Milwaukee?

I have zero confidence that he will enhance his trade value with his play next year. He may be worth more now, when teams don't know how far he as progressed in his recovery.

Then you ship him out next year the same as you want to know. Likely will have to attach an asset but less because it's an expiring deal

[KevinGamble34]

Well, if you can revive his value, maybe holding on to him makes sense. But suppose you can't? Suppose he starts the 2019 season looking like the player he was against Milwaukee?

I have zero confidence that he will enhance his trade value with his play next year. He may be worth more now, when teams don't know how far he as progressed in his recovery.

Then you ship him out next year the same as you want to know. Likely will have to attach an asset but less because it's an expiring deal

This. If he is bad next season keep him and play him - will help us into the lottery. Trade him the following season where he is an expiring.

I think he will show some form next season, he is a hard worker and has his future to secure. We also won't be playing the Bucks every game and he can put up good numbers against lesser teams.

[GregB]

Well, if you can revive his value, maybe holding on to him makes sense. But suppose you can't? Suppose he starts the 2019 season looking like the player he was against Milwaukee?

I have zero confidence that he will enhance his trade value with his play next year. He may be worth more now, when teams don't know how far he as progressed in his recovery.

What if the Pelicans strike out on other deals?Maybe Griffin thinks he can be an all star again. If we can get value for him you move him.

If no one is biting , you might as well just roll into the season with him.

[Jaqua92]

Oh my God lol

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[DusterBuster]

If Portland was willing to offer Turner and Harkless for Hayward, is that something the Celtics may consider? Maybe Portland throws in their pick this year for Boston's 2nd rounder as well since the Blazers FO seems pretty unenthused by this draft class.

We've been discussing possible trade targets with the Blazers expiring contracts and Hayward seems like a semi-interesting, if a bit risky, buy-low candidate, but I can't really get a good feel for where the Celtics collective heads are at with all the changes.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting the Blazers would really offer that, even with those two guys salaries combine, the Blazers would still be taking back more money than they're sending out - which is insane to think. Even when Hayward was at his Utah level days, he was never at a "6th-highest-paid-player-in-the-league" level. But that said, the Blazers are pretty hard up for a competent wing and Hayward may be the lowest cost (trade value wise) / highest potential option available to them.

[Gooner]

Snotty teammates? What were you watching? Did he deserve minutes for 90% of the season? Absolutely not. He belonged in rehab.

So ok, the next bs response is he was "getting minutes so he is ready for post season.". Well he played 30 minutes a game vs Milwaukee and averaged 7 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists.

Is it so crazy to think that he should have needed to prove himself or actually earn playing time throughout the season? Is that shocking? you seriously think that isn't appropriate? So yes, being brads little butt buddy is accurate.

do you think Ainge would check with him before dealing him or do you think Ainge will deal him if / when he finds the right deal?

My guess is that Gordon has quietly asked to be traded, rather than deal with snotty teammates who stigmatized him as the teacher's pet.

And I think he'll have his power and bounce back next season as he rounds into AS form again.

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Lol, "snotty" teammates. They should all bow down to teacher's pet. Even though he is vastly inferior to them, not even ready to play. Stevens force-fed Hayward to the team and he ruined it.

[FlatearthZorro]

If Portland was willing to offer Turner and Harkless for Hayward, is that something the Celtics may consider? Maybe Portland throws in their pick this year for Boston's 2nd rounder as well since the Blazers FO seems pretty unenthused by this draft class.

We've been discussing possible trade targets with the Blazers expiring contracts and Hayward seems like a semi-interesting, if a bit risky, buy-low candidate, but I can't really get a good feel for where the Celtics collective heads are at with all the changes.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting the Blazers would really offer that, even with those two guys salaries combine, the Blazers would still be taking back more money than they're sending out - which is insane to think. Even when Hayward was at his Utah level days, he was never at a "6th-highest-paid-player-in-the-league" level. But that said, the Blazers are pretty hard up for a competent wing and Hayward may be the lowest cost (trade value wise) / highest potential option available to them.

Nope. Not at all, both are worse players than Hayward at 70% if he can come back to that I'm comfortable with keeping Hayward. We need playmakers, I like Hayward more as a point forward than Turner, even. We will see tho. No idea if Danny dumps him or not. It might be likely at this point.

[itrsteve]

Man I hope he doesn’t read this thread.

If so, you still have fans out there gordo. Ignore these sad sacks.

[FlatearthZorro]

Man I hope he doesn’t read this thread.

If so, you still have fans out there gordo. Ignore these sad sacks.

I am hopeful Hayward stays, btw. If Hayward doesn't stay we're like 35 win team, not tanking, maybe a fringe playoff team at best. To me Gordon will be a beast next year. I truly believe in that, problem is that I feel like Danny might trade him or Brown.. or both. Dunno just a feeling with the way things have been going. I really want us to grab a rebounding center, regardless of how things work out(Jordan, maybe Adams via trade, Capela's contract is too long has 3 more years on it, or somebody else I'm forgetting- maybe Cauley-Stein)...

[KumaJG]

I figured Brad favouritism of Hayward played a role in the team chemistry. Hopefully Hayward comes back earn the team trust and be a nice trade chip.

[djFan71]

The Portland package is intriguing, but ultimately selling low. Would need 2020 and 2022 firsts, IMO, to do now. Basically, a Conley light deal. Harkless would be perfect for a starting 4 that we wouldn’t feel bad playing a rook over if they developed, but is solid enough as a starter if they don’t. ET would make Brad (and his son) happy again after last year and provide some positional flexibility and playmaking off the bench.

But the better bet is to let Gordon recover and see how things stand at the deadline. I do have concerns about our best 3 players overlapping positions so much.

[sam_I_am]

If Portland was willing to offer Turner and Harkless for Hayward, is that something the Celtics may consider? Maybe Portland throws in their pick this year for Boston's 2nd rounder as well since the Blazers FO seems pretty unenthused by this draft class.

We've been discussing possible trade targets with the Blazers expiring contracts and Hayward seems like a semi-interesting, if a bit risky, buy-low candidate, but I can't really get a good feel for where the Celtics collective heads are at with all the changes.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting the Blazers would really offer that, even with those two guys salaries combine, the Blazers would still be taking back more money than they're sending out - which is insane to think. Even when Hayward was at his Utah level days, he was never at a "6th-highest-paid-player-in-the-league" level. But that said, the Blazers are pretty hard up for a competent wing and Hayward may be the lowest cost (trade value wise) / highest potential option available to them.

I like that trade with Zach Collins added.

[DusterBuster]

If Portland was willing to offer Turner and Harkless for Hayward, is that something the Celtics may consider? Maybe Portland throws in their pick this year for Boston's 2nd rounder as well since the Blazers FO seems pretty unenthused by this draft class.

We've been discussing possible trade targets with the Blazers expiring contracts and Hayward seems like a semi-interesting, if a bit risky, buy-low candidate, but I can't really get a good feel for where the Celtics collective heads are at with all the changes.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting the Blazers would really offer that, even with those two guys salaries combine, the Blazers would still be taking back more money than they're sending out - which is insane to think. Even when Hayward was at his Utah level days, he was never at a "6th-highest-paid-player-in-the-league" level. But that said, the Blazers are pretty hard up for a competent wing and Hayward may be the lowest cost (trade value wise) / highest potential option available to them.

Nope. Not at all, both are worse players than Hayward at 70% if he can come back to that I'm comfortable with keeping Hayward. We need playmakers, I like Hayward more as a point forward than Turner, even. We will see tho. No idea if Danny dumps him or not. It might be likely at this point.

The idea obviously isn't about getting Boston equal player value, it's about getting them out of Haywards deal early so they can retool the roster faster.

That said, you're also selling both guys a bit short. Harkless is a high level defender for the Blazers, he's just inconsistent offensively. And Turner is well Turner, but he's had a lot of success in Boston before, so I don't see why Stevens couldn't replicate that again.

[DusterBuster]

The Portland package is intriguing, but ultimately selling low. Would need 2020 and 2022 firsts, IMO, to do now. Basically, a Conley light deal. Harkless would be perfect for a starting 4 that we wouldn’t feel bad playing a rook over if they developed, but is solid enough as a starter if they don’t. ET would make Brad (and his son) happy again after last year and provide some positional flexibility and playmaking off the bench.

But the better bet is to let Gordon recover and see how things stand at the deadline. I do have concerns about our best 3 players overlapping positions so much.

I just can't see Portland adding in 2 firsts (or Collins as the other poster mentioned). Maybe one, but at his price and the questions that still surround him getting back to being the player he once was, i just cant see Portland willing to go that far.

If the deal got done in the next few hours, I think the Blazers would gladly trade this year's FRP since they don't seem to want it anyway. If it's a deal later this summer, they may be willing to part with their 2020 pick, but itll be heavily protected, likely full lotto that reverts to 2nd rounders if not conveyed.

[DarkAzcura]

I question a lot of people’s basketball watching ability if some of you think 12/4/3 numbers in 25 MPG on very good efficiency is as horrible as some of you make it seem.

I saw an earlier post that he was vastly inferior to all the other wings. I’m sorry but that’s not really true. Hayward was the only wing on this team who actually knew how to pass the ball and run a system.

[DusterBuster]

What about this adjusted offer considering the Baynes news?

Turner
Harkless
Leonard
Trent Jr
2020 FRP (lotto protected, reverts to 2nds if not conveyed)

For

Hayward
Baynes

[sam_I_am]

If Portland was willing to offer Turner and Harkless for Hayward, is that something the Celtics may consider? Maybe Portland throws in their pick this year for Boston's 2nd rounder as well since the Blazers FO seems pretty unenthused by this draft class.

We've been discussing possible trade targets with the Blazers expiring contracts and Hayward seems like a semi-interesting, if a bit risky, buy-low candidate, but I can't really get a good feel for where the Celtics collective heads are at with all the changes.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting the Blazers would really offer that, even with those two guys salaries combine, the Blazers would still be taking back more money than they're sending out - which is insane to think. Even when Hayward was at his Utah level days, he was never at a "6th-highest-paid-player-in-the-league" level. But that said, the Blazers are pretty hard up for a competent wing and Hayward may be the lowest cost (trade value wise) / highest potential option available to them.

Nope. Not at all, both are worse players than Hayward at 70% if he can come back to that I'm comfortable with keeping Hayward. We need playmakers, I like Hayward more as a point forward than Turner, even. We will see tho. No idea if Danny dumps him or not. It might be likely at this point.

The idea obviously isn't about getting Boston equal player value, it's about getting them out of Haywards deal early so they can retool the roster faster.

That said, you're also selling both guys a bit short. Harkless is a high level defender for the Blazers, he's just inconsistent offensively. And Turner is well Turner, but he's had a lot of success in Boston before, so I don't see why Stevens couldn't replicate that again.

Hayward is an expiring deal. He will opt out. He was good enough in last month of season and without Kyrie and Horford here will assert himself. There is no need to take other teams trash to “get out”. Just an illogical idea.

The reason to trade him is that we have 3 really good SFs and only need 2 and now have big holes to fill at C, PF and PG.