Pistons Trading for Tony Snell

[thesack12]

Seriously have no clue how people can be unhappy with this deal for the Pistons. For one, this is a huge upgrade in the immediate future....Snell the last three years have pretty much been a 45% from the field, 40% from behind the arc shooter, and he's a good defender. Name another wing on the roster that can do that please? Ellington is the closest and he's not the defender Snell is. And we another pick...a shot at adding cheap talent.

Sure...we eat up another year but $14M in this league isn't a lot nowadays and cap space with this team isn't the best thing anyways. When we've had cap space the past decade, what have we done with it? Yeah...made horrible decisions! Detroit isn't a free agency destination so cap space with the exception on the trade market is so overrated in a market like Detroit.

Overall, this was a good deal to improve the team today. Worry about the $14M next year.

Maybe because basically everybody that comes to Detroit loses their shot, primarily because when they get to Detroit they don't have near the talent around them thus they don't get near as many open looks.

Tony Snell doesn't really upgrade anything on this team. He's not a better shooter than Kennard, and he's not a better defender than Brown.

Plus this only continues to bury Khyri Thomas.

Tony Snell is a body to put on the floor and not much else, a body that is owed $24 million. There is no upside to having Tony Snell on this roster.

Doesn't really cost us 24M. Need to deduct Leuer's dead weight 9.5M salary off of that, so 14.4M. And we get a pick.

Costs =/= owed.

[DBC10]

I like this on first glance since we have a stop gap in filling the SF void that we had since Tobias was traded. Gaining assets this draft and a 3nD guy is a good move.

There seems to be more trades coming.

[thesack12]

I love this trade. Such a great move. We didn’t have cap next year anyways (unless Dre opts out). Wondering if we trade 15 now for a proven player.

Before this trade happened, Detroit was looking at having around $35 mil in cap space next summer. That would have decreased to about $32 mil after signing #15 and #45.

[Bknight4three]

Not sure i understand this deal

In exchange for an extra pick (#30 in a weak draft) we are taking on an additional 12M worth of salary two seasons from now?

Mind you next summer was the year we were supposed to go and sign some new players, now we are stuck with Snell's 12M on the books instead?

Snell averaged 6 pts, 2 rebounds in 27 and 18 minutes per game, respectively, the past two seasons

Really worth that 12M

We continue making terrible decisions with or without SVG

This draft is weak in that there are only 3 or 4 guys who would ordinary be top 8 but the back end of the first it is normal. Can still get someone like Ty Jerome or Okeke. We need to build through the draft anyways. We had almost 40M in open capspace next summer anyways. Leuer was useless, Snell can play a role.

[thesack12]

I actually like this. The trade was zero value in Leuer for a starter SF in Snell. He's a 3&D guy who accepts being the 5th option offensively. Say he's only worth 6M a season, Leuer was worth nothing here, and come next season we're overpaying him by $6M BUT our FO assumes they hit on #30 and we have a rotation player for five years for $10M total.

Our roster is so imbalanced we need rookie contract players in the rotation. Safer, lower ceiling 3-4 year players fall to late first. I bet the guy SA or GS or Milwaukee would have drafted at #30 would have been called a big steal.

PF come cheaper in FA as well - whereas wing players are at a premium. This will give us more flexability with our tight cap situation.

Its odd to hear a spin that spending more $ provides more flexibility.

With Robinson's option Detroit is now about $12.4 under the luxury tax. If they keep all the picks, those will count for additional $4 mil or so, which drops them down to about $8.4 mil under the tax.

Lets assume they decline Robinson's option, that leaves them with about $12.5 mil to spend and stay under the tax. If they resign Ish, they won't even have the full MLE allotment to spend. Also, have to be careful not to hardcap themselves like they did when they signed Galloway. If they use the entire MLE allotment on someone, they can't go into the tax even if they wanted to.

Assuming Snell starts at SF (puke) Team needs a backup PG, backup SF, Backup PF, Backup C.

[Manocad]

Seriously have no clue how people can be unhappy with this deal for the Pistons. For one, this is a huge upgrade in the immediate future.

Sure...we eat up another year but $14M in this league isn't a lot nowadays and cap space with this team isn't the best thing anyways. When we've had cap space the past decade, what have we done with it? Yeah...made horrible decisions! Detroit isn't a free agency destination so cap space with the exception on the trade market is so overrated in a market like Detroit.

Overall, this was a good deal to improve the team today. Worry about the $14M next year.

And that's exactly why I don't like it. Getting a miniscule bit better now with a player who won't be around later does nothing to put the team closer to championship contention.

It's silly to disregard cap space (or anything considered an asset, for that matter) under the idea of all it leading to in the past was bad decisions. Got a whole list of draft picks, trades and free agent signings in the near past that have turned up aces for the Pistons? Should the team stop drafting, trading and signing free agents? Because those have pretty much all lead to bad decisions in the past. Not to mention that what the team did in the past under different management has exactly zero bearing on what happens today.

[Laimbeer]

Snell got squeezed on his minutes with Milwaukee's depth, but he played 29.2 and 27.4 MPG the previous two seasons. I'd expect something more like that next year.

[Kilo]

I actually like this. The trade was zero value in Leuer for a starter SF in Snell. He's a 3&D guy who accepts being the 5th option offensively. Say he's only worth 6M a season, Leuer was worth nothing here, and come next season we're overpaying him by $6M BUT our FO assumes they hit on #30 and we have a rotation player for five years for $10M total.

Our roster is so imbalanced we need rookie contract players in the rotation. Safer, lower ceiling 3-4 year players fall to late first. I bet the guy SA or GS or Milwaukee would have drafted at #30 would have been called a big steal.

PF come cheaper in FA as well - whereas wing players are at a premium. This will give us more flexability with our tight cap situation.

Its odd to hear a spin that spending more $ provides more flexibility.

With Robinson's option Detroit is now about $12.4 under the luxury tax. If they keep all the picks, those will count for additional $4 mil or so, which drops them down to about $8.4 mil under the tax.

Lets assume they decline Robinson's option, that leaves them with about $12.5 mil to spend and stay under the tax. If they resign Ish, they won't even have the full MLE allotment to spend. Also, have to be careful not to hardcap themselves like they did when they signed Galloway. If they use the entire MLE allotment on someone, they can't go in the tax even if they wanted to.

Assuming Snell starts at SF (puke) Team needs a backup PG, backup SF, Backup PF, Backup C.

My point was you can get impact back-up PF and Back-up Ce for vet minimums. Don't blow your load early on a Zaza and wait for the guys who overpriced themselves - Lopez or Monroe etc last season - to get desperate to a job. You can get a good rotational big for the tax payers MLE.

Using the tax payers MLE would allow us to drift into the tax to start the season - it's easy to get under come the trade deadline. I don't think Ish will get a big offer. We could probably use tax payers MLE on a big and keep Ish for around that $12M figure.

[Laimbeer]

Number 30

Year Player School/Country – Team
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova – Atlanta Hawks
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks

2nd Round:
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers

[thesack12]

I actually like this. The trade was zero value in Leuer for a starter SF in Snell. He's a 3&D guy who accepts being the 5th option offensively. Say he's only worth 6M a season, Leuer was worth nothing here, and come next season we're overpaying him by $6M BUT our FO assumes they hit on #30 and we have a rotation player for five years for $10M total.

Our roster is so imbalanced we need rookie contract players in the rotation. Safer, lower ceiling 3-4 year players fall to late first. I bet the guy SA or GS or Milwaukee would have drafted at #30 would have been called a big steal.

PF come cheaper in FA as well - whereas wing players are at a premium. This will give us more flexability with our tight cap situation.

Its odd to hear a spin that spending more $ provides more flexibility.

With Robinson's option Detroit is now about $12.4 under the luxury tax. If they keep all the picks, those will count for additional $4 mil or so, which drops them down to about $8.4 mil under the tax.

Lets assume they decline Robinson's option, that leaves them with about $12.5 mil to spend and stay under the tax. If they resign Ish, they won't even have the full MLE allotment to spend. Also, have to be careful not to hardcap themselves like they did when they signed Galloway. If they use the entire MLE allotment on someone, they can't go in the tax even if they wanted to.

Assuming Snell starts at SF (puke) Team needs a backup PG, backup SF, Backup PF, Backup C.

My point was you can get impact back-up PF and Back-up Ce for vet minimums. Don't blow your load early on a Zaza and wait for the guys who overpriced themselves - Lopez or Monroe etc last season - to get desperate to a job. You can get a good rotational big for the tax payers MLE.

Using the tax payers MLE would allow us to drift into the tax to start the season - it's easy to get under come the trade deadline. I don't think Ish will get a big offer. We could probably use tax payers MLE on a big and keep Ish for around that $12M figure.

I'm right there with you with advocating playing the waiting game in free agency. But this franchise has proven they aren't interested in being patient with almost anything. As per usual they will likely target a low level free agent and overpay him an hour into free agency.

Its secondary to your point about only offering tax payer's MLE type money, but I still don't think Gores is going to let the team go into the tax. Besides when you are forced to do such things as cut costs to get under the tax the other teams are very aware of that, so Detroit will have to make an unfavorable trade in order to do so.

[kpt]

Something that we haven’t touched on is Snell is a piston type player w grit and work ethic. Yeah we pay him a bit more. Yet I still like it overall.

[Manocad]

I'm right there with you with advocating playing the waiting game in free agency. But this franchise has proven they aren't interested in being patient with almost anything. As per usual they will likely target a low level free agent and overpay him an hour into free agency.

Its secondary to your point about only offering tax payer's MLE type money, but I still don't think Gores is going to let the team go into the tax. Besides when you are forced to do such things as cut costs to get under the tax the other teams are very aware of that, so Detroit will have to make an unfavorable trade in order to do so.

Bingo.

This is the same reasoning for why I call most of the proposed "realistic" trades unrealistic. Teams are not going to jump up to help the Pistons with an equal/fair trade of real magnitude knowing that Gores and Pistons' management have the patience of hungry squirrels with ADHD. They're going to play that situation to their own greatest advantage.

Clearly the team recognizes that the window with Blake is small when accounting for not only time left in his highly effective career PERIOD, but how much time can reasonably be expected to be remaining in his highly effective career. What I don't think they're recognizing is how far away from contention the team actually is. When your "Big 3" includes Dre and Reggie you don't have a Big 3. And by no means does that mean either Dre or Reggie are garbage--they're both good to very good players. But when you compare a Big 3 of Blake, Dre and Reggie against the cores of the Warriors, Raptors, Bucks, etc., not to mention the rest of the team makeup, I think most people understand how far away the Pistons really are.

[ChuckVanBrown]

I like this trade. We unload Leuer who was dead weight, and pick up Snell who’s an ok player on a bad contract. He played 16 mpg on a 60-win team last season, so he should get some quality minutes from us next season. He’s overpaid for sure, but maybe his expiring next season can have value to the right team? Who knows, we might be able to trade him in a year, and get a similar haul like we did with Leuer.

We also get the 30th pick, which is a nice piece. Let’s see what we do with the 15th and 30th picks. Can possibly draft some useful players, or maybe trade them to move up a few spots?

The new regime has made smart moves thus far. Nothing earth shaking, but they’ve shown a pattern now of not making desperation moves.

[Laimbeer]

Isn't this the type of trade the Pistons might make if they were rebuilding? Getting a first for taking an extra year of salary? Plus it helps us compete during Blake's window. Significant free agents aren't coming to the Pistons next summer.

[pistonsbball]

Good move. Gives us a lot more flexibility in the draft, we can draft for now and the future. Snell's still only 27, not unrealistic that his game will continue to get better. If he can even just be a league average starting 3&D SF then that'll be big for us.

[vic]

This is a great move.

Get's a good wing on the Pistons. (not a star but a serviceable player).

Also another draft pick in a deep draft. There's lots of potential in this draft.

I like 4/5 of the moves Ed makes.

[whitehops]

some people are acting like we should've been able to trade leuer's dead contract for a top ten pick and no other strings attached. even in that situation i'm sure there would be people complaining about trading for a top ten pick "in a weak draft".

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this pretty much confirms what i thought of snell. deadly spot up shooter but can't do much else (shoot off the dirbble, shoot off screens, handle the ball, etc.). in a perfect world snell could get buckets in more ways but you can at least rely on him to hit his catch and shoot shots, which is more than you can say about SJ, GR3, or so many of the other wings we've had in recent years. i wouldn't be surprised if he started this year, simply because he would give blake more room to operate and needs a guy like blake to get him open looks.

[bstein14]

Those synergy shots are interesting. He's the absolute best jump shooter in the league when the shot clock is under 4 seconds (100th percentile). Will work perfect with our sad bogged down offense that doesn't do much and is forced to take a jumper late in the shot clock haha.

[DBC10]

Isn't this the type of trade the Pistons might make if they were rebuilding? Getting a first for taking an extra year of salary? Plus it helps us compete during Blake's window. Significant free agents aren't coming to the Pistons next summer.

That's actually what I was going to post. This smells like a rebuild move because we're taking on salary with the draft asset. A team trying to contend isn't taking on extra year of salary to net a draft pick. This was like a strange salary dump in a way.

Even the Bullock trade was weird too, in that we also got a young-ish player and a 2nd for him. I really have no idea what we're trying to do. Unless a big trade is going to happen, with it involving one of Dre or Blake.

[Kilo]

Milwaukee might trade/buy an early 2nd rounder - so really fall back 4-5 spots here. Philly and Atlanta 33, 34, 35 picks could be available for future seconds and/or money. This money spent wouldn't count against the tax. Could be smart as hell maneuvering by Bucks here if they pull this off.

Also Leuer might be a stretch release candidate by MKE. So 9M hit becomes 3M over each of next three seasons.