Pistons Trading for Tony Snell

MotownMadness · Post #101 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:48 pm

Yes, Draft Okeke if he’s there

Billl · Post #102 » by **Billl** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:03 pm

I'm a bit surprised how many people are trashing this trade. Everyone goes on and on about the value of expiring contracts. Well...... this is how they add value. You trade an expiring for a non-expiring and get some sort of asset for doing it. We added a high character guy who is likely to be in the rotation as well.

Post #103 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:04 pm

You also have to weigh in what a FA wing would have cost us and who we would have likely gotten when doing the salary math on this trade, as Snell likely replaces an FA signing. If we use our MLE or a part of it this offseason it likely goes toward replacing Ish now, with our draft choices going to another wing prospect and maybe a power forward.

I’m meh on Snell. He’s a guy who will hit some open shots and not much else. But the pick is an asset.

I wouldn’t read too much into this as a rebuild move. Even non-rebuilding teams like draft picks because at the very least they are cheap controllable assets- whoever we draft will be cheap beyond the life of any of the contracts involved here.

JLiv · Post #104 » by **JLiv** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:06 pm

I like the attempt to gain assets. Pick could be a trading piece along with the 15th pick - or the pick could be a solid young player. By gaining Snell we make baby steps toward contending - pick is a baby step to a rebuild. Hopefully we don’t sell the barn for a mid-level player tonight. And let’s be real guys, we weren’t getting anyone with that cap space.

bstein14 · Post #105 » by **bstein14** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:12 pm

Someone we looked at and considered at #15 will fall to 30... it almost always happens. There are a lot of guards and wings that will go in the top half of the first round but then the second half of the first round is filled with bigs so someone decent at PF/C will end up falling to us at #30. With no Jon Leuer and Zaza a FA and probably done with us, #30 is the perfect spot to land a situational backup big for when foul trouble or injuries occur with Blake or Dre. I would bet one of these guys will be there at #30 and hopefully we pick one of them up.
1. Bol Bol
2. Brandon Clarke
3. PJ Washington
4. Cameron Johnson
5. Rui Hachimura

Neptune · Post #106 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:23 pm

Terrible trade! Our GM is garbage!

We could have used Leur's expiring contract on a good player like Holiday or TJ Warren. Damn man, it's hard to like the Pistons these days.

Billl · Post #107 » by **Billl** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:25 pm

Neptune wrote:Terrible trade! Our GM is garbage!

We could have used Leur's expiring contract on a good player like Holiday or TJ Warren. Damn man, it's hard to like the Pistons these days.

You think we were getting Holiday for Leuer?

MotownMadness · Post #108 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:26 pm

Billl wrote:
Neptune wrote:Terrible trade! Our GM is garbage!

We could have used Leur's expiring contract on a good player like Holiday or TJ Warren. Damn man, it's hard to like the Pistons these days.

You think we were getting Holiday for Leuer?

He doesn’t know any better, be easy

Neptune · Post #109 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:28 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Billl wrote:
Neptune wrote:Terrible trade! Our GM is garbage!

We could have used Leur's expiring contract on a good player like Holiday or TJ Warren. Damn man, it's hard to like the Pistons these days.

You think we were getting Holiday for Leuer?

He doesn’t know any better, be easy

No, not Leuer for Holiday. I was saying that we should attach our 2019 1st rounder to our expiring contracts for Holiday or TJ Warren.

MotownMadness · Post #110 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:32 pm

Neptune wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Billl wrote:
You think we were getting Holiday for Leuer?

He doesn’t know any better, be easy

No, not Leuer for Holiday. I was saying that we should attach our 2019 1st rounder to our expiring contracts for Holiday or TJ Warren.

You can’t just force them to give you valuable players like that man.

Billl · Post #111 » by **Billl** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:47 pm

Neptune wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Billl wrote:
You think we were getting Holiday for Leuer?

He doesn’t know any better, be easy

No, not Leuer for Holiday. I was saying that we should attach our 2019 1st rounder to our expiring contracts for Holiday or TJ Warren.

Huh? That isn't even close to what it would take. The idea that we get all stars for leuer and a non-lotto pick is a just wildly unrealistic. Conley just netted a starter, a recent 1st and 2 future firsts.

Neptune · Post #112 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:58 pm

Billl wrote:
Neptune wrote:
MotownMadness wrote: He doesn’t know any better, be easy

No, not Leuer for Holiday. I was saying that we should attach our 2019 1st rounder to our expiring contracts for Holiday or TJ Warren.

Huh? That isn't even close to what it would take. The idea that we get all stars for leuer and a non-lotto pick is a just wildly unrealistic. Conley just netted a starter, a recent 1st and 2 future firsts.

Our young starter in my trade offer: Kennard
Recent 1st: Pistons 15th pick (better pick compared to Utah's)
Expirings: Leuer, Galloway
We get: Holiday

How isnt that a better deal? But folks here are happy and content with Tony Snell?

MotownMadness · Post #113 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:00 pm

Neptune wrote:
Billl wrote:
Neptune wrote:No, not Leuer for Holiday. I was saying that we should attach our 2019 1st rounder to our expiring contracts for Holiday or TJ Warren.

Huh? That isn't even close to what it would take. The idea that we get all stars for leuer and a non-lotto pick is a just wildly unrealistic. Conley just netted a starter, a recent 1st and 2 future firsts.

Our young starter in my trade offer: Kennard
Recent 1st: Pistons 15th pick (better pick compared to Utah's)
Expirings: Leuer, Galloway
We get: Holiday

How isnt that a better deal? But folks here are happy and content with Tony Snell?

Where did you read Holiday is even available? Everything I read says they aren’t even taking calls on him

Post #114 » by **Cowology** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:03 pm

This will be the most exciting move we make all offseason. Yay.

Neptune · Post #115 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:04 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Neptune wrote:
Billl wrote:
Huh? That isn't even close to what it would take. The idea that we get all stars for leuer and a non-lotto pick is a just wildly unrealistic. Conley just netted a starter, a recent 1st and 2 future firsts.

Our young starter in my trade offer: Kennard
Recent 1st: Pistons 15th pick (better pick compared to Utah's)
Expirings: Leuer, Galloway
We get: Holiday

How isnt that a better deal? But folks here are happy and content with Tony Snell?

Where did you read Holiday is even available? Everything I read says they aren’t even taking calls on him

When did we hear Tony Snell was available? When a good deal is offered and nothing is leaked, trades can still happen.

Kennard would have a been a good piece to add to there young core and Holiday would help us compete and take pressure off of Jackson. Yall gotta stop being content and admit our GM is trash. We're about to pay Snell 12mil for 6pts and 2rebs. Man hell no!

potatoaim · Post #116 » by **potatoaim** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:11 pm

Billl wrote:I'm a bit surprised how many people are trashing this trade. Everyone goes on and on about the value of expiring contracts. Well...... this is how they add value. You trade an expiring for a non-expiring and get some sort of asset for doing it. We added a high character guy who is likely to be in the rotation as well.

People around here will bitch no matter what. Which makes you wonder why people waste so much of their time on things that do nothing but infuriate them..

DBC10 · Post #117 » by **DBC10** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:12 pm

Neptune wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Neptune wrote:Our young starter in my trade offer: Kennard
Recent 1st: Pistons 15th pick (better pick compared to Utah's)
Expirings: Leuer, Galloway
We get: Holiday

How isnt that a better deal? But folks here are happy and content with Tony Snell?

Where did you read Holiday is even available? Everything I read says they aren’t even taking calls on him

When did we hear Tony Snell was available? When a good deal is offered and nothing is leaked, trades can still happen.

Kennard would have a been a good piece to add to there young core and Holiday would help us compete and take pressure off of Jackson. Yall gotta stop being content and admit our GM is trash. We're about to pay Snell 12mil for 6pts and 2rebs. Man hell no!

Tony Snell and Ersan were both available via cost cutting since they're going into lux tax and Brogdon and Lopez both need to be paid. It's been reported for about a few days now.

Post #118 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:18 pm

I think it is almost hilarious reading the negative comments. We really don't have a lot of choices since we are capped out. So with no cap space and a desperate need for shooters, we turned someone who couldn't get on the floor with an albatross $10M salary into someone who can shoot and a late first rounder. We know Snell isn't the next coming of Paul George, but he can probably shoot better than anyone on our team except for Kennard and Blake. It makes us incrementally better and I'm surprised we were able to do anything at all.

If you wanted us to blow up the team, then I can understand your disappointment. But if we're not, then we were going to have to be patient and wait a year to get cap space to make any real moves. This is about the best we can do for this year.

MotownMadness · Post #119 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:19 pm

theBigLip wrote:I think it is almost hilarious reading the negative comments. We really don't have a lot of choices since we are capped out. So with no cap space and a desperate need for shooters, we turned someone who couldn't get on the floor with an albatross $10M salary into someone who can shoot and a late first rounder. We know Snell isn't the next coming of Paul George, but he can probably shoot better than anyone on our team except for Kennard and Blake. It makes us incrementally better and I'm surprised we were able to do anything at all.

If you wanted us to blow up the team, then I can understand your disappointment. But if we're not, then we were going to have to be patient and wait a year to get cap space to make any real moves. This is about the best we can do for this year.

You can’t win in the Pistons forum

Neptune · Post #120 » by **Neptune** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:25 pm

theBigLip wrote:I think it is almost hilarious reading the negative comments. We really don't have a lot of choices since we are capped out. So with no cap space and a desperate need for shooters, we turned someone who couldn't get on the floor with an albatross $10M salary into someone who can shoot and a late first rounder. We know Snell isn't the next coming of Paul George, but he can probably shoot better than anyone on our team except for Kennard and Blake. It makes us incrementally better and I'm surprised we were able to do anything at all.

If you wanted us to blow up the team, then I can understand your disappointment. But if we're not, then we were going to have to be patient and wait a year to get cap space to make any real moves. This is about the best we can do for this year.

All I hear is wait, wait and wait! Lakers didnt wait to get Davis, they traded they're young pieces and draft picks. Jazz didnt wait, they traded vets and draft picks for Conley. Raptors didn't wait, they traded vets for Leonard. We didnt wait last year, we traded for Blake and our team improved. Why are we waiting when we actually have something special with Blake and Drummond right now?

Yall got stop acting like Snell is good. He's an overpaid role player at best. But shoot, maybe I have to wait and see if he proves us wrong this year man.