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Post#381 » by vryadli » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:48 pm

GobertReport wrote:I am sick of people thinking Donnie is an inefficient scrub!!! Kawhi had Timmy, Parker, and Manu while Kobe had Shaq, Donnie hasn’t had another go to scorer to take the pressure off himself to be more efficient, add a Harris or DLo this year and that changes, stop being so ridiculous people.


This statement is really poetic, but unfortunately is not in correlation with observable facts. For example Kobe still was reasonably efficient when he DIDN'T have Shaq. It was not enough even to get to PO (before they got Gasol team was a trash), but nevertheless he was by far most efficient player on the team. Take Pierce for other clear example. One can find a good number of reasonably efficient prime scorers in pretty weak teams. And I don't even talk about monsters like LeBron. So I'm not going to buy that poetic narrative about "pressure".


As for DM, I thought he showed some improvement in the end of regulation, but all that dissolved in PO. And worst thing he looks quite happy with that development.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#382 » by AingesBurner » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:24 pm

vryadli wrote:
GobertReport wrote:I am sick of people thinking Donnie is an inefficient scrub!!! Kawhi had Timmy, Parker, and Manu while Kobe had Shaq, Donnie hasn’t had another go to scorer to take the pressure off himself to be more efficient, add a Harris or DLo this year and that changes, stop being so ridiculous people.


This statement is really poetic, but unfortunately is not in correlation with observable facts. For example Kobe still was reasonably efficient when he DIDN'T have Shaq. It was not enough even to get to PO (before they got Gasol team was a trash), but nevertheless he was by far most efficient player on the team. Take Pierce for other clear example. One can find a good number of reasonably efficient prime scorers in pretty weak teams. And I don't even talk about monsters like LeBron. So I'm not going to buy that poetic narrative about "pressure".


As for DM, I thought he showed some improvement in the end of regulation, but all that dissolved in PO. And worst thing he looks quite happy with that development.



That was Kobe after 6-7 years in the league when Shaq left, jeez you are obtuse. Let’s talk about Donnie after year 6 or 7.
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Post#384 » by zero24gravity » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:10 pm

vryadli wrote:

As for DM, I thought he showed some improvement in the end of regulation, but all that dissolved in PO. And worst thing he looks quite happy with that development.


I'm curious what leads you to think this last sentence. Seems the absolute opposite from the reports you hear about it. Please elaborate.
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Post#386 » by AingesBurner » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:35 am

stitches wrote:https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-euroleague


I thought he was announcing he’s going back to the ACB.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#387 » by vryadli » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:45 am

zero24gravity wrote:
vryadli wrote:

As for DM, I thought he showed some improvement in the end of regulation, but all that dissolved in PO. And worst thing he looks quite happy with that development.


I'm curious what leads you to think this last sentence. Seems the absolute opposite from the reports you hear about it. Please elaborate.


How about his very own Twitter? How much there are about trips, shoes and having good times, and how much about putting a fight in next season? About plans to improve this and that?
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#388 » by vryadli » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:51 am

GobertReport wrote:
vryadli wrote:
GobertReport wrote:I am sick of people thinking Donnie is an inefficient scrub!!! Kawhi had Timmy, Parker, and Manu while Kobe had Shaq, Donnie hasn’t had another go to scorer to take the pressure off himself to be more efficient, add a Harris or DLo this year and that changes, stop being so ridiculous people.


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That was Kobe after 6-7 years in the league when Shaq left, jeez you are obtuse. Let’s talk about Donnie after year 6 or 7.


One can compare stretches with/without only when that occur. We have what we have, but at least those are solid observable. And yes, it is obtuse to stay on the ground and pay attention to facts, unlike very poetic fantasy stories about loads, burdens and mystic help a beautiful prince needs to become a mighty King.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#389 » by zero24gravity » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:32 pm

vryadli wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
vryadli wrote:

As for DM, I thought he showed some improvement in the end of regulation, but all that dissolved in PO. And worst thing he looks quite happy with that development.


I'm curious what leads you to think this last sentence. Seems the absolute opposite from the reports you hear about it. Please elaborate.


How about his very own Twitter? How much there are about trips, shoes and having good times, and how much about putting a fight in next season? About plans to improve this and that?


Perhaps I just haven't seen those things. All I know is that coaches say he's amazingly coachable & wants to learn + he'll be with Team USA, which should be great for development. If you're referring at all to last summer, then keep in mind that his "world tour" was a product of him being injured and not a lack of desire to work on his game, IMO.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#390 » by AingesBurner » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:34 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
vryadli wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
I'm curious what leads you to think this last sentence. Seems the absolute opposite from the reports you hear about it. Please elaborate.


How about his very own Twitter? How much there are about trips, shoes and having good times, and how much about putting a fight in next season? About plans to improve this and that?


Perhaps I just haven't seen those things. All I know is that coaches say he's amazingly coachable & wants to learn + he'll be with Team USA, which should be great for development. If you're referring at all to last summer, then keep in mind that his "world tour" was a product of him being injured and not a lack of desire to work on his game, IMO.


I wouldn’t pay attention to Vrydill, he has some weird vendetta against Mitchell.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#391 » by zero24gravity » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:41 pm

GobertReport wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
vryadli wrote:
How about his very own Twitter? How much there are about trips, shoes and having good times, and how much about putting a fight in next season? About plans to improve this and that?


Perhaps I just haven't seen those things. All I know is that coaches say he's amazingly coachable & wants to learn + he'll be with Team USA, which should be great for development. If you're referring at all to last summer, then keep in mind that his "world tour" was a product of him being injured and not a lack of desire to work on his game, IMO.


I wouldn’t pay attention to Vrydill, he has some weird vendetta against Mitchell.


Perhaps, but I've known him a long time (we, along with many others, came over together from a different forum) and I've never had any issues with him.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#392 » by KqWIN » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:20 pm

Jazz RAPM

2018-2019

Player - RAPM - Rank

Joe Ingles - 3.3 - 15
Raul Neto - 2.93 - 22
Donovan Mitchell - 2.64 - 30
Rudy Gobert - 2.42 - 43
Royce Oneale - 1.71 - 70
Thabo Sefolosha - 1.6 - 75
Ricky Rubio - 1.43 - 88
Dante Exum - 0.84 - 124
Derrick Favors - 0.29 - 196
Jae Crowder - 0.19 - 206
Kyle Korver - 0.02 - 247
Tony Bradley - -0.54 - 350
Ekpe Udoh - -0.99 - 410
Georges Niang - -1.71 - 472
Grayson Allen - -2.94 - 511

Three Year

Rudy Gobert - 6.3 - 4
Raul Neto - 3.54 - 24
Donovan Mitchell - 2.53 - 57
Royce ONeale - 2.16 - 74
Joe Ingles - 1.68 - 102
Ricky Rubio - 1.37 - 121
Jae Crowder - 1.27 - 130
Thabo Sefolosha - 1.06 - 145
Derrick Favors - 0.77 - 166
Ekpe Udoh - 0.46 - 208
Tony Bradley - -0.09 - 307
Georges Niang - -0.17 - 330
Kyle Korver - -0.28 - 359
Dante Exum - -0.68 - 416
Grayson Allen - -2.23 - 706

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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#393 » by vryadli » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:07 am

zero24gravity wrote:
vryadli wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
I'm curious what leads you to think this last sentence. Seems the absolute opposite from the reports you hear about it. Please elaborate.


How about his very own Twitter? How much there are about trips, shoes and having good times, and how much about putting a fight in next season? About plans to improve this and that?


Perhaps I just haven't seen those things. All I know is that coaches say he's amazingly coachable & wants to learn + he'll be with Team USA, which should be great for development. If you're referring at all to last summer, then keep in mind that his "world tour" was a product of him being injured and not a lack of desire to work on his game, IMO.


I don't talking about laziness, I can imagine that he is seriously working on something, but just to modest to chat about that.

...and not only about DM. I'd say that it is even less about him. Ingles even more dissappointed me on that account. he whole team but Rudy looks too comfortable. is not hungry. What I mean, after one-two-three days all them become happy and relaxed. Damn, they lost pretty much all important games and most of the was winnable! They could have HCA and better matching otherwise! I'd expect that fighting team would be in bad mood at least couple weeks and at least a month return to discussing how they will redeem that in next season.

OK, may be I just missed that? Did you hear something of that kind like week after PO end?

I think team needs someone with Paul Pierce spirit and BBIQ, though I don't know who it can be.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#394 » by stitches » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:28 pm

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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#396 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:57 pm

Congratulations guys. Love to see small market teams making good moves.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#397 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:19 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Congratulations guys. Love to see small market teams making good moves.

We almost unanimously hate it. But thanks.
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#398 » by dr0welf » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:32 pm

I didn't get a chance to post yesterday and after reading this thread I'm surprised. I really love the trade. Conley is an absolute stud and will be a great addition for us. Conley opens up Ingles so he can do his thing, shoot 3's affectively. He will not be a cancer in the locker room as some players possibly could be. And ultimately we gave up litterly nothing for him. Crowder was never going to be above a 6th man, Allen will be lucky to break past the #7 or #8 guy, Korver was retiring, and the 2 picks are literally 2 chances to hopefully land a guy of Conley's level. This was a no brainer trade and an absolute steal for us. Most of you who have been negative I bet will change your mind half way through the season.

I am curious to see how the roster gets filled out. I bet we trade into the draft some and target a guy like Beverly for our backup PG position. I can hope we are able to trade Exum for a stretch 4 and get into the draft?? Who would be available?
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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#399 » by Onlynate23 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:26 pm

"With the Mike Conley trade the Utah Jazz will have one of the most dynamic back courts in the NBA and be a force to be reckoned with in the western conference!" - Magic Johnson

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Re: 2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread 

Post#400 » by tleikheen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:32 pm

Jazz aren't going to trade Exum ,even though Conley was a great pickup ,you cannot have a 6'1 (Conley) , 6'2" (Mitchell ) backcourt disadvantage game after game. You need Exum to defend against the taller backcourts.

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