Political Roundtable Part XXVI

[Cramer]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

[verbal8]

It just takes a weird personality to come to a discussion board, regurgitate some racist idea that got you all excited that you saw on fox, that literally 30 seconds of googling can prove wrong, to mindlessly spew out these logically baseless ideas and then defend them *to the death.* It's like, are white people ok? Because it happens A LOT.

Message board trolling ..... to own the libs.

[Wizardspride]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

[dobrojim]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

but seriously, yeah, there is a whole lot of agreement here on the criminal in chief.
Also a whole lot of agreement on his enablers ie essentially the whole GOP.
You got a problem with that, defend the policies and the conduct and the corruption.
Those are the things that many are hating. I try, not always successfully, to not let it get personal.

I remember when character used to matter to Republicans.

[Pointgod]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

What a snowflake.

[popper]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

but seriously, yeah, there is a whole lot of agreement here on the criminal in chief.
Also a whole lot of agreement on his enablers ie essentially the whole GOP.
You got a problem with that, defend the policies and the conduct and the corruption.
Those are the things that many are hating. I try, not always successfully, to not let it get personal.

I remember when character used to matter to Republicans.

You do realize that this thread is an echo chamber of like minded progressives (with one or two exceptions). Don’t deceive yourself into thinking that it is anything more than that. You state that essentially the whole GOP enables the criminal behavior of Trump. Not much left to discuss after that is there? Carry on dobrojim but don’t pretend you’re engaged in anything more than groupthink.

[gtn130]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

lmao

[gtn130]

I haven’t been here for a long time but thought I’d check in and see what DAT and Kev had to say on the draft. I knew I should skip this thread but couldn’t help myself.

What a total collection of **** in in their own little sounding board. I now remember why I left this **** place.

Im going to go have a few drinks and figure out how to to kill brown people. I mean, I’m a republican and that’s what we do.

**** all you all. The amount of hate here is stunning.

Pine, before you go to the effort of banning me, let me save you the effort. I won’t be back.

don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

but seriously, yeah, there is a whole lot of agreement here on the criminal in chief.
Also a whole lot of agreement on his enablers ie essentially the whole GOP.
You got a problem with that, defend the policies and the conduct and the corruption.
Those are the things that many are hating. I try, not always successfully, to not let it get personal.

I remember when character used to matter to Republicans.

You do realize that this thread is an echo chamber of like minded progressives (with one or two exceptions). Don’t deceive yourself into thinking that it is anything more than that. You state that essentially the whole GOP enables the criminal behavior of Trump. Not much left to discuss after that is there? Carry on dobrojim but don’t pretend you’re engaged in anything more than groupthink.

Basically every message board on the internet that isn't run by Stormfront or Breitbart winds up being a liberal echo chamber because Trump conservatives can't defend their positions. They show up, spout a bunch of nonsense, get owned and scamper off with their tail between their legs. You've done this many times yourself, popper.

[popper]

don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

but seriously, yeah, there is a whole lot of agreement here on the criminal in chief.
Also a whole lot of agreement on his enablers ie essentially the whole GOP.
You got a problem with that, defend the policies and the conduct and the corruption.
Those are the things that many are hating. I try, not always successfully, to not let it get personal.

I remember when character used to matter to Republicans.

You do realize that this thread is an echo chamber of like minded progressives (with one or two exceptions). Don’t deceive yourself into thinking that it is anything more than that. You state that essentially the whole GOP enables the criminal behavior of Trump. Not much left to discuss after that is there? Carry on dobrojim but don’t pretend you’re engaged in anything more than groupthink.

Basically every message board on the internet that isn't run by Stormfront or Breitbart winds up being a liberal echo chamber because Trump conservatives can't defend their positions. They show up, spout a bunch of nonsense, get owned and scamper off with their tail between their legs. You've done this many times yourself, popper.

Are you ready to defend your position? Tell me what that position is and I’ll happily try to understand it, and then we can both analyze and dissect it to measure its efficacy and value in pursuit of a free and fair society. What do you believe?

[popper]

don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

but seriously, yeah, there is a whole lot of agreement here on the criminal in chief.
Also a whole lot of agreement on his enablers ie essentially the whole GOP.
You got a problem with that, defend the policies and the conduct and the corruption.
Those are the things that many are hating. I try, not always successfully, to not let it get personal.

I remember when character used to matter to Republicans.

You do realize that this thread is an echo chamber of like minded progressives (with one or two exceptions). Don’t deceive yourself into thinking that it is anything more than that. You state that essentially the whole GOP enables the criminal behavior of Trump. Not much left to discuss after that is there? Carry on dobrojim but don’t pretend you’re engaged in anything more than groupthink.

Basically every message board on the internet that isn't run by Stormfront or Breitbart winds up being a liberal echo chamber because Trump conservatives can't defend their positions. They show up, spout a bunch of nonsense, get owned and scamper off with their tail between their legs. You've done this many times yourself, popper.

BTW gtn. I’ve never once scampered off.

[gtn130]

You do realize that this thread is an echo chamber of like minded progressives (with one or two exceptions). Don’t deceive yourself into thinking that it is anything more than that. You state that essentially the whole GOP enables the criminal behavior of Trump. Not much left to discuss after that is there? Carry on dobrojim but don’t pretend you’re engaged in anything more than groupthink.

Basically every message board on the internet that isn't run by Stormfront or Breitbart winds up being a liberal echo chamber because Trump conservatives can't defend their positions. They show up, spout a bunch of nonsense, get owned and scamper off with their tail between their legs. You've done this many times yourself, popper.

Are you ready to defend your position? Tell me what that position is and I’ll happily try to understand it, and then we can both analyze and dissect it to measure its efficacy and value in pursuit of a free and fair society. What do you believe?

My position is that the GOP has become the party for dumb people. George Will, someone I imagine you respect, said as much just last week.

That is why lots of internet communities invariably turn into liberal echo chambers - because conservatives just get owned when they try to defend their indefensible positions. Any politically engaged conservative lives in a haze of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and once they step outside that bubble and have to support their beliefs with actual facts, it all falls apart.

[pancakes3]

the GOP is indeed enabling the awfulness of trump, criminal or otherwise. principled republicans need to recognize that and stop taking attacks at Trump as personal attacks. as a shorthand, look at the pre-election v post-election stances of Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, et al on Trump as President.

voters, regardless of party affiliation, should be up in arms about:
- his stance on news institutions
- his track record of making outright lies to the public
- his politicization of the judiciary, to the point where the Chief Justice felt the need to speak up
- his reversal of consumer protection regulations
- bloating the budget (military)
- too many environmental policies to count that have lead to increased pollution across the board, water or air
- bungling the two major pieces of legislation in his administration so far: Tax bill, and the failed repeal-and-replace-but-no-plan-to-actually-replace health care bill.
- the immigration issue, the issue dejour being that the holding areas for southern-border immigrants are being moved to military bases so as to avoid public/media observation/documentation and aid. THIS is the move that's being called "concentration camps"
- failing to condemn white supremacists in Charlottesville, even as a symbolic move; sure was quick to point out Obama for failing to call ISIS "Radical Islam" as a symbolic move
- isolationism v globalization as foreign policy.

these are nonpartisan f*ck-ups. he's a bad president. it has nothing to do with him being a Republican. insisting that these criticisms are partisan gripes is stupid.

actual partisan conversations? if there was a competent president sitting in office? Rs and Ds would actually be arguing about:
- How to make health care better, not just repealing Obamacare because it has Obama's name on it
- How much to spend on climate change, and what to spend it on, not whether climate change exists
- Whether the budget approval process needs to be amended as a matter of procedure so we avoid the threat of shutdowns as leverage to push through non-budgetary legislation/agendas
- What is the root cause of the rise of white nationalism in this country?

things like globalization and climate change are universal truths. freshmen in introductory macro-economics learn about comparative advantage in like, week 4.

there aren't always two sides to every issue. sometimes things just are. you don't debate gravity. you don't debate whether the sun will come up tomorrow. not everything is just like, your opinion, man.

[popper]

Basically every message board on the internet that isn't run by Stormfront or Breitbart winds up being a liberal echo chamber because Trump conservatives can't defend their positions. They show up, spout a bunch of nonsense, get owned and scamper off with their tail between their legs. You've done this many times yourself, popper.

Are you ready to defend your position? Tell me what that position is and I’ll happily try to understand it, and then we can both analyze and dissect it to measure its efficacy and value in pursuit of a free and fair society. What do you believe?

My position is that the GOP has become the party for dumb people. George Will, someone I imagine you respect, said as much just last week.

That is why lots of internet communities invariably turn into liberal echo chambers - because conservatives just get owned when they try to defend their indefensible positions. Any politically engaged conservative lives in a haze of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and once they step outside that bubble and have to support their beliefs with actual facts, it all falls apart.

You believe that because you, and most others on this thread, operate in a cloistered world where you’re not exposed to opinions outside the progressive echo chamber. Anyone with a different political opinion than the one you hold is necessarily demonized in order to stifle debate. Why do you think college administrators are so careful not to allow dissenting viewpoints on campus? It’s the same with progressive media. Stifling free speech, debate, and dialectic is a hallmark of leftist strategy and has been for many decades. I’d like to honestly engage in debate on this thread but my experience over the last ten years informs me that the normal totalitarian tendency to demonize and excoriate those with different opinions makes that near impossible. It’s a shame both for our collective intellectual growth and for the future of our body politic. Let me know if you want to engage and debate without the labeling and name calling. Otherwise, enjoy the groupthink.

[pancakes3]

Anyone with a different political opinion than the one you hold is necessarily demonized in order to stifle debate. Why do you think college administrators are so careful not to allow dissenting viewpoints on campus? It’s the same with progressive media. Stifling free speech, debate, and dialectic is a hallmark of leftist strategy and has been for many decades.

what a crock. some of the most dyed-in-the-wool republicans i've ever met are econ and finance professors. you want to talk about indoctrination, every libertarian ever made started as a 19 year old sitting in an econ class.

colleges are disinviting hacks like milo yiannopoulos. nobody is turning down greenspan so they can have krugman speak on campus instead.

[popper]

the GOP is indeed enabling the awfulness of trump, criminal or otherwise. principled republicans need to recognize that and stop taking attacks at Trump as personal attacks. as a shorthand, look at the pre-election v post-election stances of Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, et al on Trump as President.

voters, regardless of party affiliation, should be up in arms about:
- his stance on news institutions
- his track record of making outright lies to the public
- his politicization of the judiciary, to the point where the Chief Justice felt the need to speak up
- his reversal of consumer protection regulations
- bloating the budget (military)
- too many environmental policies to count that have lead to increased pollution across the board, water or air
- bungling the two major pieces of legislation in his administration so far: Tax bill, and the failed repeal-and-replace-but-no-plan-to-actually-replace health care bill.
- the immigration issue, the issue dejour being that the holding areas for southern-border immigrants are being moved to military bases so as to avoid public/media observation/documentation and aid. THIS is the move that's being called "concentration camps"
- failing to condemn white supremacists in Charlottesville, even as a symbolic move; sure was quick to point out Obama for failing to call ISIS "Radical Islam" as a symbolic move
- isolationism v globalization as foreign policy.

these are nonpartisan f*ck-ups. he's a bad president. it has nothing to do with him being a Republican. insisting that these criticisms are partisan gripes is stupid.

actual partisan conversations? if there was a competent president sitting in office? Rs and Ds would actually be arguing about:
- How to make health care better, not just repealing Obamacare because it has Obama's name on it
- How much to spend on climate change, and what to spend it on, not whether climate change exists
- Whether the budget approval process needs to be amended as a matter of procedure so we avoid the threat of shutdowns as leverage to push through non-budgetary legislation/agendas
- What is the root cause of the rise of white nationalism in this country?

things like globalization and climate change are universal truths. freshmen in introductory macro-economics learn about comparative advantage in like, week 4.

there aren't always two sides to every issue. sometimes things just are. you don't debate gravity. you don't debate whether the sun will come up tomorrow. not everything is just like, your opinion, man.

Ok. Now let’s hear your take on a president that tells the country that it’s unconstitutional for him to invent immigration law and then subsequently does so. I can name many more transgressions of law and constitution that our last president engaged in so let’s measure your intellectual honesty. Please critique the last president so that we know that you can be trusted as an unbiased arbiter of political malfeasance.

[popper]

Anyone with a different political opinion than the one you hold is necessarily demonized in order to stifle debate. Why do you think college administrators are so careful not to allow dissenting viewpoints on campus? It’s the same with progressive media. Stifling free speech, debate, and dialectic is a hallmark of leftist strategy and has been for many decades.

what a crock. some of the most dyed-in-the-wool republicans i've ever met are econ and finance professors. you want to talk about indoctrination, every libertarian ever made started as a 19 year old sitting in an econ class.

colleges are disinviting hacks like milo yiannopoulos. nobody is turning down greenspan so they can have krugman speak on campus instead.

I’ll respond tomorrow with a list of conservatives not allowed to speak on campus. I’m surprised that you’re unaware.

[Zonkerbl]

Tell the president to honor the house's subpoenas for one. Tell the GOP cucks in the Senate to read the Mueller report. Then come back here and throw a little toddler tantrum about how unfair it is that everyone thinks the GOP are a bunch of cowards and hypocrites.

[pancakes3]

Anyone with a different political opinion than the one you hold is necessarily demonized in order to stifle debate. Why do you think college administrators are so careful not to allow dissenting viewpoints on campus? It’s the same with progressive media. Stifling free speech, debate, and dialectic is a hallmark of leftist strategy and has been for many decades.

what a crock. some of the most dyed-in-the-wool republicans i've ever met are econ and finance professors. you want to talk about indoctrination, every libertarian ever made started as a 19 year old sitting in an econ class.

colleges are disinviting hacks like milo yiannopoulos. nobody is turning down greenspan so they can have krugman speak on campus instead.

I’ll respond tomorrow with a list of conservatives not allowed to speak on campus. I’m surprised that you’re unaware.

don't bother. i did research in law school over this exact issue for a professor re: free speech and the conclusion was:

- yes, on average more conservative speakers are disinvited to speak than liberal speakers
- and yes, there have been some big names on both sides, McCain, Obama, Albright, Julian Bond, etc.*
- there is not enough data to support that a conclusion of a systemic suppression of the conservative view

especially given that there are influences that affect disinvitation other than pure political leanings such as:
- nonpartisan controversy such as sexual misconduct allegations
- caliber of candidates/caliber of discourse (the Milo factor)
- nonpartisan factors such as cost, sponsored by organizations that aren't student orgs posing as student orgs, etc.

with the caveat of:
- you might be able to identify a correlation for specific schools with particular political leanings (Berkeley v. Georgetown) but it is overall not a "college" problem, and the reputations for those schools are such that the students are self-selecting anyway.

*Richard Dawkins was banned from the University of Oklahoma because he's a prominent atheist and promulgator of the "theory" of evolution. So is this a political disinvitation? or nonpartisan controversy?

[gtn130]

Are you ready to defend your position? Tell me what that position is and I’ll happily try to understand it, and then we can both analyze and dissect it to measure its efficacy and value in pursuit of a free and fair society. What do you believe?

My position is that the GOP has become the party for dumb people. George Will, someone I imagine you respect, said as much just last week.

That is why lots of internet communities invariably turn into liberal echo chambers - because conservatives just get owned when they try to defend their indefensible positions. Any politically engaged conservative lives in a haze of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and once they step outside that bubble and have to support their beliefs with actual facts, it all falls apart.

You believe that because you, and most others on this thread, operate in a cloistered world where you’re not exposed to opinions outside the progressive echo chamber. Anyone with a different political opinion than the one you hold is necessarily demonized in order to stifle debate. Why do you think college administrators are so careful not to allow dissenting viewpoints on campus? It’s the same with progressive media. Stifling free speech, debate, and dialectic is a hallmark of leftist strategy and has been for many decades. I’d like to honestly engage in debate on this thread but my experience over the last ten years informs me that the normal totalitarian tendency to demonize and excoriate those with different opinions makes that near impossible. It’s a shame both for our collective intellectual growth and for the future of our body politic. Let me know if you want to engage and debate without the labeling and name calling. Otherwise, enjoy the groupthink.

Popper, I understand the conservative arguments better than you do. I literally log onto the internet to argue with people, I have no idea how you can conclude that *I'm* the guy who wants to stifle debate.

Daoneandonly is a great example of a conservative with absolutely ***zero*** understanding of or care for why liberal progressives believe the things they do. He genuinely, earnestly, truly believes that women (liberals) have abortions because they enjoy murdering babies. That's as critically as he's willing to think about competing ideas. There is no empathy or desire to understand opposing viewpoints there, but you seem very content with his posting.

My point here though really just boils down to what conservatism actually is in 2019, which is that it's almost entirely just an exercise in grifting dumb people. If you align with the GOP on gun laws, climate change, tax policy and so on, you're the mark. You're being duped. You're buying into idea that are completely illegitimate and served up by depraved corporate oligarchs looking to enrich only themselves at the expense of everyone else.

There is no virtue in having these high-minded marketplace of ideas style debates when ~40% of the electorate has bought into a bunch of bad faith dog**** propaganda.

[dobrojim]

How would GOP behavior look different if they were not Trump enablers?