Pistons Trading for Tony Snell

CubicalLake7 · Post #221 » by **CubicalLake7** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:29 am

Even if it is not Keldon there is a lot of talent at 30.

CubicalLake7 · Post #222 » by **CubicalLake7** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:33 am

We are guaranteed to get one of the following at 30

Keldon
Porter
Bol Bol

How about that Pistons GM.

Plus KZ is there as well.

Neptune · Post #223 » by **Neptune** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:35 am

CubicalLake7 wrote:Sekou, Keldon Johnson (if he lasts) and Snell is so much better than TJ Warren.

Just saying!!!

Huh? How many games have Sekou and Keldon played in the NBA?

CubicalLake7 · Post #224 » by **CubicalLake7** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:38 am

Neptune wrote:
CubicalLake7 wrote:Sekou, Keldon Johnson (if he lasts) and Snell is so much better than TJ Warren.

Just saying!!!

Huh? How many games have Sekou and Keldon played in the NBA?

442 less than Tony Snell

chrbal · Post #225 » by **chrbal** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:39 am

About as often as TJ’s played a full season

Neptune · Post #226 » by **Neptune** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:40 am

CubicalLake7 wrote:
Neptune wrote:
CubicalLake7 wrote:Sekou, Keldon Johnson (if he lasts) and Snell is so much better than TJ Warren.

Just saying!!!

Huh? How many games have Sekou and Keldon played in the NBA?

442 less than Tony Snell

Lol!

Post #227 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:43 am

Neptune wrote:
SD2042 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Again, you can say Phoenix is wasting their time pursuing cap space, it is still clear they’re valuing immediate cap space and acting accordingly.

The Suns are looking to go after somebody in FA, preferably a PG this off season.

I thought Tyler Johnson was there new PG?

No. TJ is a SG trap in a PG's body. Plus the guy is not a solid play maker. I'm looking for the Suns to go after Ricky Rubio and and a couple of more vets to help balance out the Suns unstable roster. Those young guns need plenty of guidance in the worst way.

Kilo · Post #228 » by **Kilo** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:49 am

And this trade just got so much worse. 30th OA for four future second rounders and Cash for Gores pocket.

thesack12 · Post #229 » by **thesack12** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:55 am

Kilo wrote:And this trade just got so much worse. 30th OA for four future second rounders and Cash for Gores pocket.

Took on an additional $14 mil while sacrificing precious cap 2020 cap flexibility for a very low level player and four 2nds that very well could end up amounting to bupkis.

What a disgusting trade. Detroit could have bought 2nd rounders outright for cash.

bstein14 · Post #230 » by **bstein14** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:13 am

Starting to look like lining Gores pockets with cash is more important than winning.

This trade is really going to hurt when we can't use our full MLE and resign Ish Smith because of luxury tax concerns.

Post #231 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:22 am

bstein14 wrote:Starting to look like lining Gores pockets with cash is more important than winning.

This trade is really going to hurt when we can't use our full MLE and resign Ish Smith because of luxury tax concerns.

I’ll admit I never like seeing cash coming our way in a trade. It implies the trade isn’t good from a basketball standpoint.

30th and 45th for 37th, 2023 and 2024 2nd rounders and cash.

No sir, I don’t like it. Makes it seem like Snell was the major part of the deal for us and they needed to squeeze some money out of it to make Gores go for it. And I wouldn’t mind that if the money helped our cap. It doesn’t.

thesack12 · Post #232 » by **thesack12** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:27 am

Snakebites wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Starting to look like lining Gores pockets with cash is more important than winning.

This trade is really going to hurt when we can't use our full MLE and resign Ish Smith because of luxury tax concerns.

I’ll admit I never like seeing cash coming our way in a trade. It implies the trade isn’t good from a basketball standpoint.

30th and 45th for 37th, 2023 and 2024 2nd rounders and cash.

No sir, I don’t like it. Makes it seem like Snell was the major part of the deal for us and they needed to squeeze some money out of it to make Gores go for it. And I wouldn’t mind that if the money helped our cap. It doesn’t.

Yeah, that thought recently crossed my mind as well. If Snell is the kind of player they are valuing/targeting its very concerning. Considering his contract, its downright scary.

The Penguin · Post #233 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:29 am

We know what the odds are on signing an impact max level FA. But there’s a chance we could have been an interesting spot if Blake continued his evolution, Dre ever fully figured it out and Sekou and Kennard hit. We punted on that possibility for 2 future 2nd rounders, some cash and moving from 45 to 37.

No wonder Philly’s owners were ready to go “process” after Stefanski.

thesack12 · Post #234 » by **thesack12** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:00 am

Well after the dust has settled the finalized results look to be

Leuer/#45 for Snell/Deividas Sirvydis/Jordan Bone/2023 2nd

My god that's awful

bstein14 · Post #235 » by **bstein14** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:17 pm

They really, really didn't want to miss out on Deividas Sirvydis.... Part of me wonders if they were considering taking him at #30. The only way this move ends out working out well for us is if he ends up being a quality player.... Even if he does, there is still a decent chance he could have fallen to #45 and we didn't need to use those picks to move up.

Kilo · Post #236 » by **Kilo** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:31 pm

thesack12 wrote:Well after the dust has settled the finalized results look to be

Leuer/#45 for Snell/Deividas Sirvydis/Jordan Bone/2023 2nd

My god that's awful

And $3M for Gores' habit...err...pocket.

Kilo · Post #237 » by **Kilo** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:40 pm

bstein14 wrote:They really, really didn't want to miss out on Deividas Sirvydis.... Part of me wonders if they were considering taking him at #30. The only way this move ends out working out well for us is if he ends up being a quality player.... Even if he does, there is still a decent chance he could have fallen to #45 and we didn't need to use those picks to move up.

Probably. One of the beat writers said Stefanski was back trying to get back in at #32 and every team that picked until Dallas finally accepted at #37.

Supposedly we also had promised to take him at #45 to keep him in the draft, but then worried he'd be gone.

thesack12 · Post #238 » by **thesack12** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:11 pm

bstein14 wrote:They really, really didn't want to miss out on Deividas Sirvydis.... Part of me wonders if they were considering taking him at #30. The only way this move ends out working out well for us is if he ends up being a quality player.... Even if he does, there is still a decent chance he could have fallen to #45 and we didn't need to use those picks to move up.

There's a good chance, he never even makes it to the states. Even if he does, he has the same probability of being highly unlikely to ever be a solid NBA player that most 2nd round picks do.

sfballa13 · Post #239 » by **sfballa13** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:02 pm

thesack12 wrote:
Kilo wrote:And this trade just got so much worse. 30th OA for four future second rounders and Cash for Gores pocket.

Took on an additional $14 mil while sacrificing precious cap 2020 cap flexibility for a very low level player and four 2nds that very well could end up amounting to bupkis.

What a disgusting trade. Detroit could have bought 2nd rounders outright for cash.

With how cheap TJ Warren was had for on draft night, we really messed up

Warren is paid almost the same as Snell and is a MUCH better player

The fact we moved that pick for four seconds makes it even worse

coordinator0 · Post #240 » by **coordinator0** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:10 am

sfballa13 wrote:With how cheap TJ Warren was had for on draft night, we really messed up

Warren is paid almost the same as Snell and is a MUCH better player

The fact we moved that pick for four seconds makes it even worse

Unfortunately Detroit didn't have the pure cap space or trade exception to take on Warren like Indiana did. It was impossible for the Pistons to give the Suns what they wanted, immediate cap space. Why Phoenix wants that instead of Warren is an interesting discussion but I guess they think they're doing something with it.