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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#121 » by Mule Tears » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:15 pm

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Knightro wrote:I do think it’s interesting and encouraging that the Magic we’re willing to pick what amounts to a redshirt player with a playoff roster. I know they say he’ll play this year, but I’m sure they’ll be very patient with him. Regardless, I like the fact that they didn’t opt for the player most likely to help them win now and instead stuck to a BPA mindset.

Okeke is really good. I think he has the 3PT shooting, defending and rebounding chops to be a legitimate stretch 4. Great skill set for the modern NBA.

At worst he feels like a rock solid 3&D role player at the 3/4 and is a clear upgrade over Jarell Martin.

Now his fit with the Magic long-term is a little less clear with Gordon and Isaac here, but that isn’t a question they’ll have to answer for a little anyway while as Okeke recovers from his ACL tear.

I did have Grant Williams higher on my board, but Okeke’s skill set probably translates better to the pros.

Skillset wise i think Okeke/Isaac, Okeke/Gordon is much better than Gordon/Isaac. I was high on Williams but man i missed this Okeke kid. He is longer than Williams much more fluid with better off the dribble game, not mentioning shooting. I think he will be perfectly fine playing 3/4 from the bench and in the future he has good chance to start.


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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#122 » by paperboymafia » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:16 pm

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What a quality, in-depth analysis. We need more of this.


You're most welcome.

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There’s nothing to lighten up to or for. I was simply just demanding more of your quality, in-depth, unbelievably detailed analysis. Not sure why you’re so triggered :D


Sorry bro the internet doesn't translate subtlety very well! :-)

I thought you were being flippant. I was wrong, my bad!

As for more info from what I saw, I might do some later today. I should actually do some work too.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#123 » by jayrehme » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:18 pm

I haven't seen this comparison yet... but, Draymond Green?
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#124 » by BlueBalls » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:23 pm

jayrehme wrote:I haven't seen this comparison yet... but, Draymond Green?


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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#125 » by p0peye » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:42 pm

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p0peye wrote:Shamorie Ponds went undrafted. I hope we sign him for Summer league team.

signed with Houston


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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#126 » by Xatticus » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:48 pm

Message Boar wrote:^First of all, love the footage from the draft party. Those moments are a lot more fun and less scripted than the big names at the draft. It feels a bit more spontaneous, more personal. Andrew Nicholson's draft moment is another one that has stuck with me.

Second, nice catch about that analytics angle, I forgot about the STATS partnership.That could very well have played a role.

Third, in addition to your comprehensive write-up, what excites me most after sleeping on the pick is his reported excellent basketball IQ. It's a trait that a lot of the best players have and a lot of busts lack. If a player is smart and has the necessary tools to stay on the floor, it's likely that that player at least has a decent career in the league. Chuma definitely has both.


I don't know that I'd describe him as a high IQ player. Rather, I would say that he understands his role at both ends.

On the offensive end, he plays within the scheme and generally takes the shots you want him to. He will make boneheaded passes though, which is why he had a relatively high turnover rate. He'll attack closeouts, but he doesn't have great explosion when he gets to the rim, so he got blocked frequently by help defenders. He is going to need to improve at passing out when the help defenders meet him. He sets good screens and pops out for shots, but I don't see potential as a roll man due to his physical limitations.

On defense, he really understands what the offense is trying to do. He is hyper anticipatory, which gets him into trouble sometimes when he expects the offense to do something that it doesn't. What I like is that he is always surveying the floor for potential threats and looking to close gaps. This is what makes him a great team defender. He isn't as good as an individual defender. Bigs could use their size to go over him at the rim with little resistance. He has really active hands (this is his exceptional skill), which he used to break up plays a lot, but he was disadvantaged against physically superior players when this failed. If he gives up deep position, the battle is lost. He switched a lot on the perimeter, but he let guards get the angle on him and get into the paint too easily. He doesn't look to be quick enough to recover when this happens. You can probably clean this up by taking some of the aggression away from his perimeter defense, but it is going to come at the expense of his steal rate.

He looks like a really well-coached kid, which speaks to his coachability. I expect that almost everyone will really like him when he gets onto the floor. There will be some exceptions. If you don't value what Isaac brings at the defensive end, then you won't value what Okeke does. Isaac has much more potential though due to his height and length.

My gripe with the pick is that it really neglects our lack of playmaking. You aren't drafting for immediate impact. You have to project skill sets and development. I don't see a lot of upside with Okeke's skill set. He'll be a nice player. If we never draft players that project to facilitate though, we are never going to produce facilitators. You can't necessarily expect to get such players at 16 and you shouldn't reach for them, but NAW was there and begging to be drafted, yet we still went with another frontcourt glue guy. I don't know how much longer Okeke would've lasted, but I do know that some of the picks behind ours were available.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#127 » by woosah » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:53 pm

Hope he returns to the form of some of the vids i saw.

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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#128 » by spinedoc » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:00 pm

Winning is habit forming, unfortunately so is losing. Decisions like this are windows into that. Its what separates us from teams like the Warriors. We take a guy that could have been obtained with cash in the 2nd round, 21 years old with a significant injury, while they take a young guy practically out of high school to plug a hole with the Klay injury. Even if healthy this guy is a square peg at 6-7, 230 lbs . Both have potential, but one starting out with more hurdles in front of him. I'm already tired of hearing, "if not for the injury he'd be a lottery pick". Well, its like saying, "if not for being shot in the face, she'd be a very pretty girl". There are many reasons why someone projects to be a second rounder, and injury is right up there as a top reason. Its small moves like this why we are who we are, and the Warriors are who they are. I would have been happy with any of the solid picks from 25-30 actually. Two spots out of the lottery, and we take on a giant question mark. Not happy, but its par for the course around here.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#129 » by zaymon » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:05 pm

spinedoc wrote:Winning is habit forming, unfortunately so is losing. Decisions like this are windows into that. Its what separates us from teams like the Warriors. We take a guy that could have been obtained with cash in the 2nd round, 21 years old with a significant injury, while they take a young guy practically out of high school to plug a hole with the Klay injury. Even if healthy this guy is a square peg at 6-7. Both have potential, but one starting out with more hurdles in front of him. I'm already tired of hearing, "if not for the injury he'd be a lottery pick". Well, its like saying, "if not for being shot in the face, she'd be a very pretty girl". There are many reasons why someone projects to be a second rounder, and injury is right up there as a top reason. Its small moves like this why we are who we are, and the Warriors are who they are. I would have been happy with any of the solid picks from 25-30 actually. Two spots out of the lottery, and we take on a giant question mark. Not happy, but its par for the course around here.

Our window is nothing like Warriors window. Okeke recovey doesnt doesnt change anything for us unless you wanted for us to contend next year. I dont agree with your shot in the face comparison becouse Chuma is projected to make full recovery. Weltman thought Okeke wouldnt made it much longer, propably spurs at 19 would took him.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#130 » by spinedoc » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:08 pm

zaymon wrote:
spinedoc wrote:Winning is habit forming, unfortunately so is losing. Decisions like this are windows into that. Its what separates us from teams like the Warriors. We take a guy that could have been obtained with cash in the 2nd round, 21 years old with a significant injury, while they take a young guy practically out of high school to plug a hole with the Klay injury. Even if healthy this guy is a square peg at 6-7. Both have potential, but one starting out with more hurdles in front of him. I'm already tired of hearing, "if not for the injury he'd be a lottery pick". Well, its like saying, "if not for being shot in the face, she'd be a very pretty girl". There are many reasons why someone projects to be a second rounder, and injury is right up there as a top reason. Its small moves like this why we are who we are, and the Warriors are who they are. I would have been happy with any of the solid picks from 25-30 actually. Two spots out of the lottery, and we take on a giant question mark. Not happy, but its par for the course around here.

Our window is nothing like Warriors window. Okeke recovey doesnt doesnt change anything for us unless you wanted for us to contend next year. I dont agree with your shot in the face comparison becouse Chuma is projected to make full recovery. Weltman thought Okeke wouldnt made it much longer, propably spurs at 19 would took him.


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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#131 » by swarlesbarkley » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:21 pm

We can't assume that Okeke would have lasted much longer on the board just because mocks had him late 1st / early 2nd. There's a lot of savvy GMs later in the first round (it's all the winning teams). I don't mind WeHam taking a guy they want rather than listening to mocks/TV analysts. Keep in mind we're the only team with access to the advanced college stats and I'm guessing they showed Okeke is a baller.

I would have rather had a playmaking guard to fill a need but let's see what we do in FA and what we have in Fultz before we assume the 1/2 spots were our biggest need.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#132 » by magicman112 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:24 pm

Is this what we need to play when he makes a play?
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#133 » by drsd » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:28 pm

Reflecting on how critical Danny Green was for the Rapors to win their title, the idea Okeke and his probable 3 and D game, he could be that 4th - through - 6th man that is so critical in today's NBA.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#134 » by spinedoc » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:32 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:We can't assume that Okeke would have lasted much longer on the board just because mocks had him late 1st / early 2nd. There's a lot of savvy GMs later in the first round (it's all the winning teams). I don't mind WeHam taking a guy they want rather than listening to mocks/TV analysts. Keep in mind we're the only team with access to the advanced college stats and I'm guessing they showed Okeke is a baller.

I would have rather had a playmaking guard to fill a need but let's see what we do in FA and what we have in Fultz before we assume the 1/2 spots were our biggest need.


Then you take someone else. Its about value when you are drafting, and not falling in love with any one player. There were many that could help this team, immediately.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#135 » by MoMM » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:37 pm

Although I'd go for a scoring wing and use our MLE on an enforcer PF, I'm OK with going in the opposite direction. I just hope that Chuma will play by mid season, I don't want another Fultz that we need to keep picking team-options without any clear evidence on how well he will play.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#136 » by OrlandoSaban » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:41 pm

https://www.secrant.com/rant/auburn-sports/okeke-goes-to-orlando-magic-1st-rd-16/84064518/


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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#137 » by swarlesbarkley » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:42 pm

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swarlesbarkley wrote:We can't assume that Okeke would have lasted much longer on the board just because mocks had him late 1st / early 2nd. There's a lot of savvy GMs later in the first round (it's all the winning teams). I don't mind WeHam taking a guy they want rather than listening to mocks/TV analysts. Keep in mind we're the only team with access to the advanced college stats and I'm guessing they showed Okeke is a baller.

I would have rather had a playmaking guard to fill a need but let's see what we do in FA and what we have in Fultz before we assume the 1/2 spots were our biggest need.


Then you take someone else. Its about value when you are drafting, and not falling in love with any one player. There were many that could help this team, immediately.


Cool! I expect you to not root for Okeke when he's playing well for us because he wasn't a "value" pick at #16 in your mind.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#138 » by j-ragg » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:50 pm

One sober day later. Still think it was silly for where we were at, but I hope he does well here. Here’s to hoping we get a guard in free agency.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#139 » by spinedoc » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:50 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:
spinedoc wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:We can't assume that Okeke would have lasted much longer on the board just because mocks had him late 1st / early 2nd. There's a lot of savvy GMs later in the first round (it's all the winning teams). I don't mind WeHam taking a guy they want rather than listening to mocks/TV analysts. Keep in mind we're the only team with access to the advanced college stats and I'm guessing they showed Okeke is a baller.

I would have rather had a playmaking guard to fill a need but let's see what we do in FA and what we have in Fultz before we assume the 1/2 spots were our biggest need.


Then you take someone else. Its about value when you are drafting, and not falling in love with any one player. There were many that could help this team, immediately.


Cool! I expect you to not root for Okeke when he's playing well for us because he wasn't a "value" pick at #16 in your mind.


c'mon, you can do better than that, pretty cheap argument.
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Re: Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic 

Post#140 » by spinedoc » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:58 pm

Just heard Bruce Pearl on nbatv say Chuma was a reach for the Magic, oh my.

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