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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby 

Post#681 » by Dr_Heat » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:52 pm

Who’s the better pick , Bol Bol or KZ ?
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Post#682 » by HeatIn5 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:53 pm

Lol at people saying this guy can’t dribble or do certain things - it only stems from the fact he’s white.

This kid can BALL. He’s not going to be like Klay where he scores 48 points on 4 dribbles.

His skillset fits very well offensively in today’s NBA and he has a chance to be very special. I see a TON of Devin Booker in his game. Even some CJ McCollum
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Post#683 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:57 pm

Im rooting for the kid. He better drink a lot of creatine, because he is gonna be doing a lot of running off of screens to get open especially with the passers we have on the squad.
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Post#684 » by greg4012 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:57 pm

Really funny to not be on the board last night and read through the posts this AM. Unstable bunch on here
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Post#685 » by greg4012 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:59 pm

twix2500 wrote:Im rooting for the kid. He better drink a lot of creatine, because he is gonna be doing a lot of running off of screens to get open especially with the passers we have on the squad.


If you're rooting for the kid you could prob stand to stop trying so hard to compare him to Kapono lol.

I could pull Klay Thompson's freshman stats and do the same comp. Or Booker's and declare Herro is better. Or Redick's and say they are the same. It's lazy and I think you know that.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby 

Post#686 » by batterybro42 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:59 pm

JustiseForMiami wrote:Lol at people saying this guy can’t dribble or do certain things - it only stems from the fact he’s white.

This kid can BALL. He’s not going to be like Klay where he scores 48 points on 4 dribbles.

His skillset fits very well offensively in today’s NBA and he has a chance to be very special. I see a TON of Devin Booker in his game. Even some CJ McCollum


I’ve seen people say those players are different because they are only half white....it’s ridiculous

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Post#687 » by contract » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:04 pm

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unowen85 wrote:Riley thinks he’s still the genius he used to be. He thinks he’s accumulating assets to use in a trade like he did previously with Mourning and Shaq. But nobody wants our crap players. And he thinks he has a coach that players want to play for, like we used to have when Riley was coach. But players know that Spo is an awful coach and nobody wants to play for Miami anymore.

Does Arison have the balls to ask Riley to step down? I doubt it.


You’re crazy if you think Spo is an awful coach that nobody wants to play for. We do have assets 5 of them and they will all be under contract for 2021 with perhaps the exception of DJJ at a very low cap figure. When we stand there in 2021 with those 5 young guys and 2 max slots I don’t want y’all praising Riley and Spo, because you can’t think rationally and want a championship now. This team is constructed to come into that offseason the number 1 player in the market, and I’m glad we did nothing tonight stupid to change that. Instead we got the guy we know will be there and have value with upside.

You talk about fans who can't think rationally and want to win a championship now? That's Pat Riley. He's the reason why we're trying to "build" a team with mid-first round picks. He's also the reason why those picks have so much trouble developing. He's the reason we keep guys like Wade, Dragic, Whiteside, Olynyk, and JJ, around eating up space and floor time. We're trying to "win" rather than focusing on developing those young guys. We're still trying to figure out proper roles for these young guys 3/4/5 years into their careers because we refuse to turn them lose. There's always some veterans in the way because we're trying to win. That's because of Pat, not irrational fans.
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Post#688 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:05 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Im rooting for the kid. He better drink a lot of creatine, because he is gonna be doing a lot of running off of screens to get open especially with the passers we have on the squad.


If you're rooting for the kid you could prob stand to stop trying so hard to compare him to Kapono lol.

I could pull Klay Thompson's freshman stats and do the same comp. Or Booker's and declare Herro is better. Or Redick's and say they are the same. It's lazy and I think you know that.


Lazy? bruh get over yourself. im looking at game tape and how they are used. What the hell are you doing mr lazy. They have the same body type and used the same with identical stats. How much closer do you need.
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Post#689 » by greg4012 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:10 pm

Big fan of the KZ Okpala pickup. He's a guy I was high on about a month or so ago, but as projections came out and he seemed unlikely to be selected in our range I stopped paying attention.

He's long and has flashes of a rangy skillset that needs to be further refined. He had a late growth spurt and honestly may still be growing. I'm not saying he'll necesarrily get any taller or longer (tho it's possible) but I'm certain he's still growing into his frame and will add on good strength easily and with that potentially some more coordination and burst.

He has athleticism/skillset to be a combo forward. He played at the perimeter with a lot of on-ball responsibility at Stanford. He has a really enticing combination of shooting and slashing potential. Shot 37% from 3.

His slashing potential is really what I want to highlight. He had a higher percentage of FGA at the rim than every perimeter player drafted ahead of him except Zion, Ja Morant, and Nassir Little.

- Zion had a ridiculous 70% of his FGA at the rim, and was assisted on 47% of his makes(also played more often in the paint)
- Ja Morant had a super impressive 53% of his FGA and was assisted on 27% of his makes
- Nassir Little had 44% of his FGA at the rim but was assisted on 49% of his makes (also played a lot of PF and spent a lot of time in the paint)

KZ had 45% of his FGA at the rim and was only assisted on 19% of them. That means he was penetrating from the perimeter, getting into the paint, and creating for himself. That's a great indicator for future slashing success. He only converted on 55% of these attempts. He'll need to improve on that number. I am hoping filling out his frame will help.

KZ has a lot of tools to work with and develop, and I'm excited to see what the Heat can develop him into.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby 

Post#690 » by twozeroMM » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:11 pm

You guys are wild'n to compare Herro to Kapono. I don't remember Jason driving to the basket like Herro.
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Post#691 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:15 pm

twozeroMM wrote:You guys are wild'n to compare Herro to Kapono. I don't remember Jason driving to the basket like Herro.


Huh, Herro is used off screens. Kentucky did not use Herro as a ball handler. One sign that a team does not herald someone one ball handling is when teams presses. If your coaches remove you from being a ball handler to break the press and stick you in the corner. You are not a ball handler sir, especially if you are a guard.
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Post#692 » by greg4012 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:15 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Im rooting for the kid. He better drink a lot of creatine, because he is gonna be doing a lot of running off of screens to get open especially with the passers we have on the squad.


If you're rooting for the kid you could prob stand to stop trying so hard to compare him to Kapono lol.

I could pull Klay Thompson's freshman stats and do the same comp. Or Booker's and declare Herro is better. Or Redick's and say they are the same. It's lazy and I think you know that.


Lazy? bruh get over yourself. im looking at game tape and how they are used. What the hell are you doing mr lazy. They have the same body type and used the same with identical stats. How much closer do you need.


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Post#693 » by greg4012 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:16 pm

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twozeroMM wrote:You guys are wild'n to compare Herro to Kapono. I don't remember Jason driving to the basket like Herro.


Huh, Herro is used off screens. Kentucky did not use Herro as a ball handler. One sign that a team does not herald someone one ball handling is when teams presses. If your coaches remove you from being a ball handler to break the press and stick you in the corner. You are not a ball handler sir, especially if you are a guard.


Think about how Cal operates. He likes to compartmentalize his players. Booker was not used as a ballhandler either.
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Post#694 » by HeatIn5 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:18 pm

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Damn this is a kid we were linked to.. We are REALLY lacking in the UDFA department this year, somewhere that we usually do very well.
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Post#695 » by contract » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:19 pm

JustiseForMiami wrote:Lol at people saying this guy can’t dribble or do certain things - it only stems from the fact he’s white.

This kid can BALL. He’s not going to be like Klay where he scores 48 points on 4 dribbles.

His skillset fits very well offensively in today’s NBA and he has a chance to be very special. I see a TON of Devin Booker in his game. Even some CJ McCollum

There aren't a hell of a lot of white all stars in the NBA anymore ... and most of the ones that there are are PFs & Cs.

That may be due to a temporary pause in white athletic greatness, but I don't think it is.

We are quick twitch gene deficient. Everybody knows. Some stereotypes are foolish. Some are facts. Everybody knows. :lol:

This kid better be one hell of a shooter.
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Post#696 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm

greg4012 wrote:Big fan of the KZ Okpala pickup. He's a guy I was high on about a month or so ago, but as projections came out and he seemed unlikely to be selected in our range I stopped paying attention.

He's long and has flashes of a rangy skillset that needs to be further refined. He had a late growth spurt and honestly may still be growing. I'm not saying he'll necesarrily get any taller or longer (tho it's possible) but I'm certain he's still growing into his frame and will add on good strength easily and with that potentially some more coordination and burst.

He has athleticism/skillset to be a combo forward. He played at the perimeter with a lot of on-ball responsibility at Stanford. He has a really enticing combination of shooting and slashing potential. Shot 37% from 3.

His slashing potential is really what I want to highlight. He had a higher percentage of FGA at the rim than every perimeter player drafted ahead of him except Zion, Ja Morant, and Nassir Little.

- Zion had a ridiculous 70% of his FGA at the rim, and was assisted on 47% of his makes(also played more often in the paint)
- Ja Morant had a super impressive 53% of his FGA and was assisted on 27% of his makes
- Nassir Little had 44% of his FGA at the rim but was assisted on 49% of his makes (also played a lot of PF and spent a lot of time in the paint)

KZ had 45% of his FGA at the rim and was only assisted on 19% of them. That means he was penetrating from the perimeter, getting into the paint, and creating for himself. That's a great indicator for future slashing success. He only converted on 55% of these attempts. He'll need to improve on that number. I am hoping filling out his frame will help.

KZ has a lot of tools to work with and develop, and I'm excited to see what the Heat can develop him into.


What scares me about Okpala are the Ingram comparisons. To be a successful combo-forward he's going to have to be a threat from outside and a good play-maker, 2 things Ingram isn't. Still love the pick though. He has star potential.
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Post#697 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm

I understand some are trying to be extremely optimistic. And looking for the littlest signs that he can be more than an off the ball screen runner shooter. I get it, but be realistic. He wasnt being used as no dam pick n roll ball handler. He was running off of screens and hand offs. Majority of his game was shooting, even more so than Kapono.
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Post#698 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm

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kobewade11 wrote:Devin Booker? Absolutely Not. He's a 6'5 Mike Miller


Mike Miller didn’t have the PNR game, which really is a big part of being a proficient scorer in this league. Reddick never had that, Ellington didn’t have that. This guy can shoot like those players can, and is amazing at the line, but he has true scoring traits in his game, and that’s what makes him interesting. He can actually run the break and do more than pull up. This threat coupled with his shooting should translate to scoring. Stop thinking him as a wing, think of him as a 1 that doesn’t run the offense, or guard the big guard. To work he needs a SF and PG that can handle those matchups. Ala Winslow and JRich

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Post#699 » by Heat3 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:20 pm

I don't know any of these guys. I expected our draft to just be mediocre anyway. After a few years of Spo's snail pace development program we might have a guy that can come off the bench on a good team.

The Bol Bol thing is just plain dumb. He might end up sucking and every team may be right for letting him drop, but for the 44th pick? You take that and see what happens. Instead he's dumped to save a few bucks.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby 

Post#700 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:22 pm

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twix2500 wrote:
twozeroMM wrote:You guys are wild'n to compare Herro to Kapono. I don't remember Jason driving to the basket like Herro.


Huh, Herro is used off screens. Kentucky did not use Herro as a ball handler. One sign that a team does not herald someone one ball handling is when teams presses. If your coaches remove you from being a ball handler to break the press and stick you in the corner. You are not a ball handler sir, especially if you are a guard.


Think about how Cal operates. He likes to compartmentalize his players. Booker was not used as a ballhandler either.


Ok, again. Kapono and Herro have the same body types. Booker and Herro do not. So why are you trying to force a comparison for Booker instead of Kapono?

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