Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

Slacktard · Post #1261 » by **Slacktard** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:26 pm

Feel like Kawhi/"his people" are gonna use a Sixers meeting as leverage. He wants max contract and s&t to LA or NY... But signing in la or NY isn't that scary, but if TOR thinks he might sign in Philly and make a juggernaught immediately... Trading him to the Clippers or Lakers and getting an asset seems less bad.

Kobblehead · Post #1262 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:28 pm

I don't want to get excited over potentially nothing, but kinda feels like Woj is going out of his way to emphasize that meeting. Almost hinting.

Post #1263 » by **Stanford** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:47 pm

Brett and Elton are going to show up to the meeting and it's going to be the same dudes Rich Paul sent to the Lebron meeting last year. And Kawhi isn't even represented by Klutch.

Post #1264 » by **BullyKing** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:13 pm

The only way Elton's wanting as much money as possible comment makes any sense is if they're planning to use cap space. And they'd only be planning to use cap space if one of Harris or Butler is leaving.

Although the possibility that Brand is just saying words cannot be ruled out.

snoopdogg88 · Post #1265 » by **snoopdogg88** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:15 pm

It’s just a waste of time. Kawhi will hear us out. And he’ll meet with New York or Brooklyn and get wined and dined.

Then he’ll go back to his agent and tell him to get a deal done with toronto or LA

Post #1266 » by **Stanford** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:22 pm

BullyKing wrote:The only way Elton's wanting as much money as possible comment makes any sense is if they're planning to use cap space. And they'd only be planning to use cap space if one of Harris or Butler is leaving.

Although the possibility that Brand is just saying words cannot be ruled out.

That whole press conference was just saying words. Sarah Todd asked a good question about Thybulle playing zone in college and he didn't even try to answer it.

Overall, I was impressed by the questions from the media (besides Brian Seltzer, obviously), it's too bad Brand didnt reciprocate. He wasn't even charming about it.

fl311 · Post #1267 » by **fl311** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:31 pm

Stanford wrote:
BullyKing wrote:The only way Elton's wanting as much money as possible comment makes any sense is if they're planning to use cap space. And they'd only be planning to use cap space if one of Harris or Butler is leaving.

Although the possibility that Brand is just saying words cannot be ruled out.

That whole press conference was just saying words. Sarah Todd asked a good question about Thybulle playing zone in college and he didn't even try to answer it.

Overall, I was impressed by the questions from the media (besides Brian Seltzer, obviously), it's too bad Brand didnt reciprocate. He wasn't even charming about it.

We'll know in about 2 weeks whether he knows what he's doing or was all talk and ruined any chance this teams has to compete.

Not much middle ground for him

smittybanton · Post #1268 » by **smittybanton** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:31 pm

my faith in kawhi to the clippers is shaken by seeing him at the blue jays game last night. toronto is nice in the summer caribana is dope. but the season is over, and i'm just about anywhere else in the world if my mind were already made up to go home. the blue jays are pretty terrible this year.

i'm think that 5th year and those 8% raises are more impactful than some want to believe. which works out good for us as far as tobias and jimmy are concerned.

eagereyez · Post #1269 » by **eagereyez** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:37 pm

The fact that Kawhi is taking a meeting with the Sixers is a sign that he would have re-signed if they traded for him. Kawhi grew up an AI fan and has ties to the Sixers org in various ways.

snoopdogg88 · Post #1270 » by **snoopdogg88** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:43 pm

Players are dead set on a location until they’re not. 95% of players can be convinced to change their minds.

I believe even AD could’ve been convinced by a Portland or Denver had he been traded there.

I have no doubt Kawhi would’ve resigned with us had we traded for him last year, but we didn’t. And thems the breaks.

SixthStreet · Post #1271 » by **SixthStreet** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:53 pm

There’s no way a Kawhi meeting is a vanity “courtesy” one. Meetings are mutual and if the Sixers has any inkling it was courtesy they would decline it in a NY minute because taking the meeting has real downside with the Butler and Harris outcomes. Last years LeBron courtesy meeting carried literally zero risk.

They meet with Kawhi because they think they have an honest shot.

I like it. This is big balls Doug stuff.

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ProcessDoctor · Post #1272 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:08 pm

Kawhi + Tobias. Sign me up.

We’d lose JJ, Scott, and Boban though...

FlyingArrow · Post #1273 » by **FlyingArrow** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:03 pm

With Jimmy as a SG/SF and Tobias as a SF/PF and Kawhi as a SF... it's not obvious who the odd man out would be if Kawhi were to come here.

But I also think that the Sixers don't have a 20% chance of getting Kawhi just because he's meeting with 5 teams. I think it's more like 50% Raptors, 45% Clippers, 2% Nets, 2% Sixers, 1% Knicks.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1274 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:12 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If both leave and we’re left looking like ****, maybe we should bark up Morey’s tree again to relieve him of the Rockets nightmare.

Absolutely NOT, I would stop supporting Sixers if this happened, anything but that. I don't want to support artificial basketball with flopping all over the place.

51X3RF4N · Post #1275 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:16 pm

I think the plan is simple.

Offer Jimmy and Tobias the max the second you are allowed.

If they both accept immediately, then the meeting with Kawhi is cancelled.

There's a reason Woj said "MIGHT" get a meeting. Because neither side would be interested in a meeting if the Sixers successfully #runitback.

BUT, in the event that Jimmy doesn't sign on the dotted line immediately, or they get a sense from Harris that he's going to take his time and look around, then you bring in Kawhi as soon as he's able and willing to meet and you offer him the max.

One of them has to sign first, so you put it out there and say everyone has offers on the table, and let's see who signs first.

Puts the pressure on Jimmy to sign because if not he loses $50M. Puts pressure on Kawhi if he truly wants to play with Ben and Joel for his old coach, in a winning culture for his idol's team with AI rooting him on every night...he can't afford to wait because Jimmy might sign his deal and then we can't afford Kawhi.

Puts some pressure on Tobias but not really.

If Jimmy signs first, you wait for Tobias to commit or decline, then go after other smaller free agents.

If Tobias signs first, you wait for Kawhi or Jimmy, or neither and then look at other options.

If Kawhi signs first, you look to Tobias and if he truly doesn't sign then he deserves what he gets. But you sign others to fit around Kawhi.

Simple.

kriss73 · Post #1276 » by **kriss73** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:19 pm

As Today (not counting 2-way contracts):

4 players under contract (JoJo,Ben,Bolden,Zaihre)= 40.3M
1 FRP= 2.5M cap hold
7 Incomplete Roster Charge = 6.2M

TOTAL = 49M

It' about 60M of room under the cap if we renunce to all our FAs.
If the Sixers will keep the cap holds of Harris (22.2M) and Scott (5.1M), they will have 109-49-27.3=32.7M of free cap....just enough for a 7-9 years max contract.

Hope my math is correct!
Interesting, by the way.

Negrodamus · Post #1277 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:22 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If both leave and we’re left looking like ****, maybe we should bark up Morey’s tree again to relieve him of the Rockets nightmare.

Absolutely NOT, I would stop supporting Sixers if this happened, anything but that. I don't want to support artificial basketball with flopping all over the place.

You’re probably in the minority here.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1278 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:26 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If both leave and we’re left looking like ****, maybe we should bark up Morey’s tree again to relieve him of the Rockets nightmare.

Absolutely NOT, I would stop supporting Sixers if this happened, anything but that. I don't want to support artificial basketball with flopping all over the place.

You’re probably in the minority here.

You are probably right, these days it is all about winning, HOW it is done doesn't matter one iota apparently.

FlyingArrow · Post #1279 » by **FlyingArrow** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:29 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:I think the plan is simple.

Offer Jimmy and Tobias the max the second you are allowed.

If they both accept immediately, then the meeting with Kawhi is cancelled.

I like the plan. I wouldn't pull any offer off the table, though, after the first one signs. We have room for 2 and we should take 2 of them if we can get it.

Ben/Jimmy/Kawhi/?/Joel
Ben/Jimmy/?/Tobias/Joel
Ben/?/Kawhi/Tobias/Joel

All 3 of those look fine to me. What doesn't look good is...

Ben/?/?/?/Joel

Can we sign Kawhi with cap space, then sign Jimmy (or Tobias) with Bird rights to go over the cap, and then use the MLE/BAE?

Arsenal · Post #1280 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:34 pm

FlyingArrow wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:I think the plan is simple.

Offer Jimmy and Tobias the max the second you are allowed.

If they both accept immediately, then the meeting with Kawhi is cancelled.

I like the plan. I wouldn't pull any offer off the table, though, after the first one signs. We have room for 2 and we should take 2 of them if we can get it.

Ben/Jimmy/Kawhi/?/Joel
Ben/Jimmy/?/Tobias/Joel
Ben/?/Kawhi/Tobias/Joel

All 3 of those look fine to me. What doesn't look good is...

Ben/?/?/?/Joel

Can we sign Kawhi with cap space, then sign Jimmy (or Tobias) with Bird rights to go over the cap, and then use the MLE/BAE?

Yes but it is the Room Exception we would have, not the full MLE or the BAE. If we use cap space we lose the MLE and BAE.