Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[BullyKing]

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

Everyone knew this would be the situation because of all the teams with cap space. Yet this front office stupidly traded for him anyway. Doesn't inspire confidence.

We either lose him for nothing or overpay by $8-10M per year.

Good GM's are the ones who avoid this type of situation.

Bad GM's are the ones who put themselves into this type of situation.

I fully agree with the last two sentences of your post. My biggest concern is that whoever is leading this outfit seems positively incapable of thinking more than one move at a time.

[Kobblehead]

Forget Butler's hold. He doesn't fit and will be an albatross by year 3 of his extension. Renounce him.

[kingofthecourt67]

Ya'll are living in some 2k world. We're not LA. We have a finite amount of chances at top end talent. Hate to break it to you, but Kawhi isn't coming here. We traded for the opportunity to wine and dine these guys for a year and then pay them extra to incentivize them to choose us.

Let's say we didn't trade for Tobias Harris. What are we doing with that extra money? What top end talent are we getting? You guys have all these plans but we'd end up with the likes of KCP.

And can we stop perseverating on the overpay on Tobias' max? We will be over the cap regardless once Simmons re-ups. If Harris is true to the word, then paying 8-10 mil extra won't do anything for us.

[Arsenal]

Forget Butler's hold. He doesn't fit and will be an albatross by year 3 of his extension. Renounce him.

That's crazy talk. Need to resign him no matter what. Worst case you can flip him for assets in a year or two, ala the Clippers with Blake.

[BullyKing]

Forget Butler's hold. He doesn't fit and will be an albatross by year 3 of his extension. Renounce him.

That's crazy talk. Need to resign him no matter what. Worst case you can flip him for assets in a year or two, ala the Clippers with Blake.

Better example: DeRozan for Kawhi. You don't let talent walk unless you have a better option already lined up.

[Arsenal]

Ya'll are living in some 2k world. We're not LA. We have a finite amount of chances at top end talent. Hate to break it to you, but Kawhi isn't coming here. We traded for the opportunity to wine and dine these guys for a year and then pay them extra to incentivize them to choose us.

Let's say we didn't trade for Tobias Harris. What are we doing with that extra money? What top end talent are we getting? You guys have all these plans but we'd end up with the likes of KCP.

And can we stop perseverating on the overpay on Tobias' max? We will be over the cap regardless once Simmons re-ups. If Harris is true to the word, then paying 8-10 mil extra won't do anything for us.

Completely short sighted. 2-3 stars get traded EVERY YEAR. We could be in position to trade for any of them if we hadn't blown our wad on a soon to be overpaid Tobias Harris.

[Kobblehead]

Nah, I ain't handing out bad contracts with the hope of being able to move them down the line. Especially not to a combustible personality with wear and tear on his body like Jimmy. Renounce.

[BullyKing]

Nah, I ain't handing out bad contracts with the hope of being able to move them down the line. Especially not to a combustible personality with wear and tear on his body like Jimmy. Renounce.

You need an actual plan before you do that. Otherwise, you end up passing up what you think is a bad contract for Butler to end up giving up bad contracts to worse players.

[mhunt]

hopefully not oversimplifying here, but is it accurate that they'd have more flexibility to make depth signings by operating as an over the cap team (re-signing both jimmy & toby) than they would if they renounced 1 of them?

[Arsenal]

Under the radar:

C Joakim Noah.

He had a bounceback year in Memphis and is a UFA. If we think he can stay healthy, he would be an ideal C backup for the vet min. He could certainly be in ring chase mode now as it will be his age 34 season coming up.

[VDT]

Yea, giving Butler a 5 year max means that in 3 years when you expect the Embiid Simmons duo to start peaking Butler's contract could get very bad, particularly if he has an injury. Even dumping the contract would require assets that i am not sure the team will have. People mention Derozan or Blake but i am afraid it might be closer to Wall/Chris Paul contracts.

It would make sense if they dont trust Embiid's health and they are going all in now. Or at least if the team didnt have a chemistry problem like last year for which i am not sure what the solution might be if they run everything back.

[kingofthecourt67]

Ya'll are living in some 2k world. We're not LA. We have a finite amount of chances at top end talent. Hate to break it to you, but Kawhi isn't coming here. We traded for the opportunity to wine and dine these guys for a year and then pay them extra to incentivize them to choose us.

Let's say we didn't trade for Tobias Harris. What are we doing with that extra money? What top end talent are we getting? You guys have all these plans but we'd end up with the likes of KCP.

And can we stop perseverating on the overpay on Tobias' max? We will be over the cap regardless once Simmons re-ups. If Harris is true to the word, then paying 8-10 mil extra won't do anything for us.

Completely short sighted. 2-3 stars get traded EVERY YEAR. We could be in position to trade for any of them if we hadn't blown our wad on a soon to be overpaid Tobias Harris.

Oh so now you wouldn't even want to use that cap space? You'd want to hold onto it in case some other star is available? Hate to say it but this is kind of what Danny Ainge has been doing. Second, again as I've stated in another post, last year was absolutely worth a shot to go for it. Second of all, you're missing the part where we literally just did what you're asking for--trading for high level talent. He's a borderline all-star which is fine given we have Embiid, Simmons, and hopefully Butler.

Genuinely asking, what are some names of players you anticipate becoming available?

[Arsenal]

Ya'll are living in some 2k world. We're not LA. We have a finite amount of chances at top end talent. Hate to break it to you, but Kawhi isn't coming here. We traded for the opportunity to wine and dine these guys for a year and then pay them extra to incentivize them to choose us.

Let's say we didn't trade for Tobias Harris. What are we doing with that extra money? What top end talent are we getting? You guys have all these plans but we'd end up with the likes of KCP.

And can we stop perseverating on the overpay on Tobias' max? We will be over the cap regardless once Simmons re-ups. If Harris is true to the word, then paying 8-10 mil extra won't do anything for us.

Completely short sighted. 2-3 stars get traded EVERY YEAR. We could be in position to trade for any of them if we hadn't blown our wad on a soon to be overpaid Tobias Harris.

Oh so now you wouldn't even want to use that cap space? You'd want to hold onto it in case some other star is available? Hate to say it but this is kind of what Danny Ainge has been doing. Second, again as I've stated in another post, last year was absolutely worth a shot to go for it. Second of all, you're missing the part where we literally just did what you're asking for--trading for high level talent. He's a borderline all-star which is fine given we have Embiid, Simmons, and hopefully Butler.

Genuinely asking, what are some names of players you anticipate becoming available?

Who knows who comes available? 2-3 stars come available every year that no one expects. If you have assets then you can go after them.

If you've blown most/all your assets for the privilege of handing out a bad contract, then you're stuck.

We should have waited to trade for a star who at least would not be grossly overpaid on his next contract as Tobias will be.

[Gulfwang]

He's going to be offered 4/140 from other teams. He's not going to take 5/150

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

Do you have any idea why is Houston so confident in chasing Butler when they need to clear about $45 million to sign JImmy? Sign and trade could work for the SIxers, either that or they bring Horford in in case JImmy leaves.

[fl311]

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

Do you have any idea why is Houston so confident in chasing Butler when they need to clear about $45 million to sign JImmy? Sign and trade could work for the SIxers, either that or they bring Horford in in case JImmy leaves.

Who said they were confident?

[nycphils]

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

Everyone knew this would be the situation because of all the teams with cap space. Yet this front office stupidly traded for him anyway. Doesn't inspire confidence.

We either lose him for nothing or overpay by $8-10M per year.

Good GM's are the ones who avoid this type of situation.

Bad GM's are the ones who put themselves into this type of situation.

I really don’t agree with this, as much as I valued Shamet...if we had a max cap slot with Jimmy resigning, we’d be competing with the Nets, Knicks, LAC, GSW, Toronto and maybe also the LAL, Mavs and Celtics (if they clear a little more space) for the max types - Durant, Klay, Kawhi, Tobias, Kris M, Kyrie, Kemba and Butler. What are the odds one of them picks us over that group? It certainly isn’t zero, but it isn’t much north of maybe 25%ish (YMMV, I suppose). If that is the case, yes Harris will be an overpay, but there was no way to fit anyone else better into that slot most likely - THAT’S why they gave up so much IMO. It was the only real likely chance to get and keep a Max (or someone close enough that someone would be willing to give the max) FA this summer.

If it doesn’t work, that stinks, but being able to (1) show them how close to winning we are and (2) offer the most years & money was worth the gamble.

[nycphils]

Under the radar:

C Joakim Noah.

He had a bounceback year in Memphis and is a UFA. If we think he can stay healthy, he would be an ideal C backup for the vet min. He could certainly be in ring chase mode now as it will be his age 34 season coming up.

Another is Vince Carter. He can still shoot, and wants to play one last year and almost certainly for the vet minimum or slightly over.

[Arsenal]

In what world is a good but not elite, never been an all-star Tobias Harris worth anywhere near a MAX of 5 yrs / $190M?

Somehow this dude has magically morphed into a "Star" player by front office apologists.

[Negrodamus]

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[Mik317]

we talking about Vince Carter and Joakim Noah in 2019 as important bench pieces.