Welcome Matisse Thybulle!

[sixers78]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

[Negrodamus]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

[Arsenal]

If Thybulle can be a +2 player (+0 offense, + 2 defense) that's a valuable role player.

Andre Roberson was basically a +1.5 player (-1 offense, +2.5 defense) in his best 2 seasons.

Danny Green was a cumulative +18 over the last 6 seasons, averaging +3.0 (around +1 offense and +2 defense).

The hope is he can be another Danny Green. Maybe not quite as good on offense, but possibly even better on defense.

[Kobblehead]

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22 is also probably the number of single digit scoring performances he averaged per season during his college career.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

I think he'll be more like Marcus Smart with a better shot, you really can't find elite defensive players in free agency. If they can shoot the three at even a league average rate while being + on defense they are commanding a good amount of money, Roberson can't even shoot and he got 3 yrs $30 million. If Thybulle is a + defender and a average 3 point shooter he's not someone you'd be able to find in FA.

Looking at it, I think it's obvious that Elton/Brown want to preserve Butler and keep him away from guarding PGs, if you have Smith and Thybulle off the bench I'd imagine they are going to play a lot of their minutes with Ben to set them up.

[sixers78]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

[Negrodamus]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

I think he'll be more like Marcus Smart with a better shot, you really can't find elite defensive players in free agency. If they can shoot the three at even a league average rate while being + on defense they are commanding a good amount of money, Roberson can't even shoot and he got 3 yrs $30 million. If Thybulle is a + defender and a average 3 point shooter he's not someone you'd be able to find in FA.

Looking at it, I think it's obvious that Elton/Brown want to preserve Butler and keep him away from guarding PGs, if you have Smith and Thybulle off the bench I'd imagine they are going to play a lot of their minutes with Ben to set them up.

Marcus Smart scored 15 per game his freshman year and 18 his sophomore year. He was also a +25 AST% in both season. He has a clue about what to do on offense.

The problem with evaluating prospects is people conflate Marcus Smart's current performance to Matisse Thybulle's college performance and that's not really how it works.

[BullyKing]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

We just lost to the NBA champion led by a player picked 15th, whose 2nd best player was picked 27th and whose other rotation players were picked 24th, 24th, 46th, 48th and undrafted.

[Negrodamus]

Why is this pick drawing so much criticism? It’s a late first rd pick. I mean I do hate trading with Boston. But I just don’t like Boston. I get the trade up for Fultz criticism. I even get the Zhaire over MJP criticism. But like are fans really upset over late firsts and how 2nd rd crap shoot picks were handled? I’m intrigued by his defense and off of stats judging free throws and 3pt % he should be able to become 3 and D I believe. Nets guards torched us badly. I don’t mind adding someone whose pedigree is defense. Work on the rest. What are you expecting drafting in the 20’s?

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

The same place that Malcolm Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, etc, etc are discovered. In the land of 2-way versatile playmaking. Thybulle is not located there.

[sixers78]

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

The same place that Malcolm Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, etc, etc are discovered. In the land of 2-way versatile playmaking. Thybulle is not located there.

Most of them went 2nd round so what are you really saying? Since you have it all figured out. What players went after Thybulle that will be like the players you just listed. Or do you need 3-4 years before answering? Some of you fans are utterly ridiculous. Lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

I think he'll be more like Marcus Smart with a better shot, you really can't find elite defensive players in free agency. If they can shoot the three at even a league average rate while being + on defense they are commanding a good amount of money, Roberson can't even shoot and he got 3 yrs $30 million. If Thybulle is a + defender and a average 3 point shooter he's not someone you'd be able to find in FA.

Looking at it, I think it's obvious that Elton/Brown want to preserve Butler and keep him away from guarding PGs, if you have Smith and Thybulle off the bench I'd imagine they are going to play a lot of their minutes with Ben to set them up.

Marcus Smart scored 15 per game his freshman year and 18 his sophomore year. He was also a +25 AST% in both season. He has a clue about what to do on offense.

The problem with evaluating prospects is people conflate Marcus Smart's current performance to Matisse Thybulle's college performance and that's not really how it works.

Smart was a 29% three point shooter in college, he had a 54% TS and Thybulle has a 55% TS, the biggest difference is obviously Smart was more aggressive and has a better handle, but he was a pretty poor offensive player even in college.


The point still stands, you don't find good defenders in free agency that easily, if Thybulle projects out as being elite as a team defender then I don't see the problem with what it took to draft him. If you can have a guard tandem that can defend like Rozier/Smart can with Thybulle/Smith then you're winning especially since you can stagger your minutes so they always play with a creator in Ben or Jimmy. The only other player around that range that I would have swung for the fences on would have been Bazley, but the Sixers don't have the minutes to give to him to develop.

[Negrodamus]

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

The same place that Malcolm Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, etc, etc are discovered. In the land of 2-way versatile playmaking. Thybulle is not located there.

Most of them went 2nd round so what are you really saying? Since you have it all figured out. What players went after Thybulle that will be like the players you just listed. Or do you need 3-4 years before answering? Some of you fans are utterly ridiculous. Lol

Sixers picked in the second round. Maybe you can expound on your thoughts because you're being vague. If you want to see who I thought were better options, check out the NBA draft thread because I'm certainly not going rehash my thoughts to someone calling me "utterly ridiculous"

[sixers78]

The same place that Malcolm Brogdon, Josh Richardson, Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, etc, etc are discovered. In the land of 2-way versatile playmaking. Thybulle is not located there.

Most of them went 2nd round so what are you really saying? Since you have it all figured out. What players went after Thybulle that will be like the players you just listed. Or do you need 3-4 years before answering? Some of you fans are utterly ridiculous. Lol

Sixers picked in the second round. Maybe you can expound on your thoughts because you're being vague. If you want to see who I thought were better options, check out the NBA draft thread because I'm certainly not going rehash my thoughts to someone calling me "utterly ridiculous"

Because we are sitting here having a back and forth over a darn late first player. Typically late first rd guys are nothing more than role players. You get lucky at times and find a Jimmy Butler. But most of the time it’s a role player. Even prior to the trade at 24. My whole thing was add something to help the bench/depth of this team. A shooter or 3 and D type of player. And my hopes is whoever we pick is someone who sticks instead of stinks.

I don’t know what Thybulle will do here. You don’t know what the players on your wish list would have done here. But you’re pretty confident not only were they better picks they would amount to one of the players you listed ie butler Draymond brogdon etc. time will tell.

Like I said earlier I get it. Top of the draft? Top 15? I get the criticism. But late first acting like we passed on a future star? I find it silly I’m sorry.

[Negrodamus]

I think he'll be more like Marcus Smart with a better shot, you really can't find elite defensive players in free agency. If they can shoot the three at even a league average rate while being + on defense they are commanding a good amount of money, Roberson can't even shoot and he got 3 yrs $30 million. If Thybulle is a + defender and a average 3 point shooter he's not someone you'd be able to find in FA.

Looking at it, I think it's obvious that Elton/Brown want to preserve Butler and keep him away from guarding PGs, if you have Smith and Thybulle off the bench I'd imagine they are going to play a lot of their minutes with Ben to set them up.

Marcus Smart scored 15 per game his freshman year and 18 his sophomore year. He was also a +25 AST% in both season. He has a clue about what to do on offense.

The problem with evaluating prospects is people conflate Marcus Smart's current performance to Matisse Thybulle's college performance and that's not really how it works.

Smart was a 29% three point shooter in college, he had a 54% TS and Thybulle has a 55% TS, the biggest difference is obviously Smart was more aggressive and has a better handle, but he was a pretty poor offensive player even in college.


The point still stands, you don't find good defenders in free agency that easily, if Thybulle projects out as being elite as a team defender then I don't see the problem with what it took to draft him. If you can have a guard tandem that can defend like Rozier/Smart can with Thybulle/Smith then you're winning especially since you can stagger your minutes so they always play with a creator in Ben or Jimmy. The only other player around that range that I would have swung for the fences on would have been Bazley, but the Sixers don't have the minutes to give to him to develop.

And my point is that most good defenders don't come into the league as just good defender. They usually brought more to the table than Thybulle did. That's why they stick around in the league.

There are exceptions: Danny Green was only at 13ppg scorer. It also took Danny 3 years (second team) before he was a solid contributor.

[Negrodamus]

Most of them went 2nd round so what are you really saying? Since you have it all figured out. What players went after Thybulle that will be like the players you just listed. Or do you need 3-4 years before answering? Some of you fans are utterly ridiculous. Lol

Sixers picked in the second round. Maybe you can expound on your thoughts because you're being vague. If you want to see who I thought were better options, check out the NBA draft thread because I'm certainly not going rehash my thoughts to someone calling me "utterly ridiculous"

Because we are sitting here having a back and forth over a darn late first player. Typically late first rd guys are nothing more than role players. You get lucky at times and find a Jimmy Butler. But most of the time it’s a role player. Even prior to the trade at 24. My whole thing was add something to help the bench/depth of this team. A shooter or 3 and D type of player. And my hopes is whoever we pick is someone who sticks instead of stinks.

I don’t know what Thybulle will do here. You don’t know what the players on your wish list would have done here. But you’re pretty confident not only were they better picks they would amount to one of the players you listed ie butler Draymond brogdon etc. time will tell.

Like I said earlier I get it. Top of the draft? Top 15? I get the criticism. But late first acting like we passed on a future star? I find it silly I’m sorry.

It's okay to not understand how championship rosters are constructed. If you peruse the threads on here, we discuss regularly how the Warriors, Raptors, Bucks, and other successful teams created their rosters and, more often than not, it's by hitting on studs in the late first round. It's how the Spurs dominated almost a decade of the NBA.

Or you can dismiss it, whatever you wanna do, buddy.

[eagereyez]

The Raptors just won a ring with 8 rotation players who can all shoot and play defense. Those two qualities are the two I'm most concerned with, especially for a team with Ben Simmons.

[Wilfried]

You get a cheap player for multiple years with the possibility of becoming a star. Matisse Thybulle's ceiling is better shooting Andre Roberson. That's not a star. That's someone you can pick up in free agency.

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

We just lost to the NBA champion led by a player picked 15th, whose 2nd best player was picked 27th and whose other rotation players were picked 24th, 24th, 46th, 48th and undrafted.

How many of them we're drafted by the Raptors themselves?

[BullyKing]

Where are you finding a star where the Sixers picked?

We just lost to the NBA champion led by a player picked 15th, whose 2nd best player was picked 27th and whose other rotation players were picked 24th, 24th, 46th, 48th and undrafted.

How many of them we're drafted by the Raptors themselves?

Who cares? The point is that valuable championship worthy rotation players can be found in the range where the Sixers were supposed to have four picks last night. It's not like those players weren't already playoff rotation players before they got there.

[sixers78]

We just lost to the NBA champion led by a player picked 15th, whose 2nd best player was picked 27th and whose other rotation players were picked 24th, 24th, 46th, 48th and undrafted.

How many of them we're drafted by the Raptors themselves?

Who cares? The point is that valuable championship worthy rotation players can be found in the range where the Sixers were supposed to have four picks last night. It's not like those players weren't already playoff rotation players before they got there.

So you don’t think Thybulle has any chance of becoming a valuable championship worthy rotation player. Cool, I got it.

[sixers78]

Sixers picked in the second round. Maybe you can expound on your thoughts because you're being vague. If you want to see who I thought were better options, check out the NBA draft thread because I'm certainly not going rehash my thoughts to someone calling me "utterly ridiculous"

Because we are sitting here having a back and forth over a darn late first player. Typically late first rd guys are nothing more than role players. You get lucky at times and find a Jimmy Butler. But most of the time it’s a role player. Even prior to the trade at 24. My whole thing was add something to help the bench/depth of this team. A shooter or 3 and D type of player. And my hopes is whoever we pick is someone who sticks instead of stinks.

I don’t know what Thybulle will do here. You don’t know what the players on your wish list would have done here. But you’re pretty confident not only were they better picks they would amount to one of the players you listed ie butler Draymond brogdon etc. time will tell.

Like I said earlier I get it. Top of the draft? Top 15? I get the criticism. But late first acting like we passed on a future star? I find it silly I’m sorry.

It's okay to not understand how championship rosters are constructed. If you peruse the threads on here, we discuss regularly how the Warriors, Raptors, Bucks, and other successful teams created their rosters and, more often than not, it's by hitting on studs in the late first round. It's how the Spurs dominated almost a decade of the NBA.

Or you can dismiss it, whatever you wanna do, buddy.

Random but I went into a thread just now where made a post that most of the players you wanted went undrafted. But hey man keep constructing those successful rosters over there bud.