Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[AirP.]

And be prepared for him to be an immovable albatross like Chris Paul and John Wall in less than 3 yrars. I don't get why you're all okay with retaining Jimmy on the max. He doesn't fit and can't impact the game off the ball.

In less than 3 years, so at age 31? The type of game he plays and how he keeps himself in shape, he could be an all-star caliber player into his mid-30s. Until Simmons gets a respectable jumper, Butler's the best option to create offense late in playoff games.

This roster took the eventual champs to 7 games which ended on a last-second shot, why in the hell would you want to take a step backwards, especially when you don't know how many years you may get out of Embiid with his health history.

[Arsenal]

Oh so now you wouldn't even want to use that cap space? You'd want to hold onto it in case some other star is available? Hate to say it but this is kind of what Danny Ainge has been doing. Second, again as I've stated in another post, last year was absolutely worth a shot to go for it. Second of all, you're missing the part where we literally just did what you're asking for--trading for high level talent. He's a borderline all-star which is fine given we have Embiid, Simmons, and hopefully Butler.

Genuinely asking, what are some names of players you anticipate becoming available?

Who knows who comes available? 2-3 stars come available every year that no one expects. If you have assets then you can go after them.

If you've blown most/all your assets for the privilege of handing out a bad contract, then you're stuck.

We should have waited to trade for a star who at least would not be grossly overpaid on his next contract as Tobias will be.

Again, you refuse to address parts of my argument. What about making a run for it last year? Does that not have play into the value proposition? Also are you trying to punt on free agency so you can wait? And we discussed opportunity cost the other day--what is the opportunity cost of his somewhat bloated contract if we are over the cap anyway and our owner has indicated he is fine paying the luxury tax?

And "Who knows who comes available" is proving my point. You can keep waiting for this magical perfect contract or you can pounce on a high-end talent when he becomes available.

Tobias Harris put up 15/9/4/1/1 per game on a terrible .521 TS and with mediocre defense during the playoffs.

It is laughable to call him a star. We would have lost to TOR in 6 or 7 with or without him. There's a good reason why the Clippers DIDN'T MISS A BEAT without him.

For reference Dario Saric put up 17/7/4/1/1 at .546 TS during the playoffs last year.

We burned a load of assets on and are about to MAX out with a 5 year $190M contract a NON DIFFERENCE-MAKER.

[LloydFree]

And be prepared for him to be an immovable albatross like Chris Paul and John Wall in less than 3 years. I don't get why you're all okay with retaining Jimmy on the max. He doesn't fit and can't impact the game off the ball. Not to mention he's old, worn down and tough to deal with.

It will be worse than Chris Paul's contract. Butler is a role player. Nobody will take that contract.

[FireMorey]

The Rockets situation isn't even remotely similar to ours though. For one, Butler hasn't broken down yet. He may, but he has not. So what if he doesn't? What if he maintains this production for several seasons? Paul has really dropped off and gets nagging soft tissue injuries every year. Hamstrings, etc. And the Rockets have a much easier route toward clearing cap space and putting players around someone they actually would want to play with in Harden. The Sixers will have at least 2 max contracts on the roster without Butler and perhaps 3 in Harris. So in 3 years even if Butler is dead weight it's not like "Well, if we had just let him walk, look at all the cap space we'd have, we'd be able to go out and sign Superstar X!" or whatever.

[sixers4real]

And be prepared for him to be an immovable albatross like Chris Paul and John Wall in less than 3 years. I don't get why you're all okay with retaining Jimmy on the max. He doesn't fit and can't impact the game off the ball. Not to mention he's old, worn down and tough to deal with.

It will be worse than Chris Paul's contract. Butler is a role player. Nobody will take that contract.

Are you against re-signing Jimmy?

[cool93]

Butler is a role player.

Lol. I can see the argument against the full max, but this take is flat out embarrassing.

[kingofthecourt67]

Who knows who comes available? 2-3 stars come available every year that no one expects. If you have assets then you can go after them.

If you've blown most/all your assets for the privilege of handing out a bad contract, then you're stuck.

We should have waited to trade for a star who at least would not be grossly overpaid on his next contract as Tobias will be.

Again, you refuse to address parts of my argument. What about making a run for it last year? Does that not have play into the value proposition? Also are you trying to punt on free agency so you can wait? And we discussed opportunity cost the other day--what is the opportunity cost of his somewhat bloated contract if we are over the cap anyway and our owner has indicated he is fine paying the luxury tax?

And "Who knows who comes available" is proving my point. You can keep waiting for this magical perfect contract or you can pounce on a high-end talent when he becomes available.

Tobias Harris put up 15/9/4/1/1 per game on a terrible .521 TS and with mediocre defense during the playoffs.

It is laughable to call him a star. We would have lost to TOR in 6 or 7 with or without him. There's a good reason why the Clippers DIDN'T MISS A BEAT without him.

For reference Dario Saric put up 17/7/4/1/1 at .546 TS during the playoffs last year.

We burned a load of assets on and are about to MAX out with a 5 year $190M contract a NON DIFFERENCE-MAKER.

Saric had a more defined role that year. Harris was thrown into the mix 2 months before the playoffs. Do you think the precipitous drop off in his 3 point shooting between the Clippers and here was because he forgot how to shoot? Clearly he was having trouble finding his role. It's reasonable to think that he will do better with a proper offseason to get integrated into the offense. This guy has shot above 40% from 3 the 2.5 years before he was traded here. What is the skill we need the most next to Embiid and Simmons? Shooting. Forgetting all of that, if you think we're actually a contender with Wilson Chandler and Mike Muscala getting significant minutes and with our bench arguably thinner than it was after the trade, then we'll have to respectfully disagree.

You continue to ignore the direct questions I am asking you about the foundation of your claim and choose to keep talking about his potential over-inflated contract. Perhaps it's best we stop this exchange.

[FlyingArrow]

We just took the champs to 7 games with a bad bench, no time for the team to gel, and a sick superstar. There isn't a better option than running it back. Tobias, Jimmy, Ben, and Joel make us contenders for 3 years. If Jimmy doesn't break down OR Ben/Joel take a big step forward, we remain contenders for the full 5 years. If Jimmy doesn't age well and Ben/Joel don't improve, we are stuck with little chance of improving until Jimmy and Tobias come off the books (or can be moved). But that's the cost of competing.

[Mik317]

you can let both guys walk.

if you have better options available.

don't think that really exists. Sure if Kawhii truly wants to come here and does...then hell yeah they can kick rocks. The reality is that is a long shot. As is Klay, KD, or Kyrie. So you move onto guys like Russell or Brogdon. I love both. I stanned extra hard to get DLo multiple times...BUT the fact is that he got exposed in the playoffs. the fact is that Brogdon, is a role player and has not shown the ability to get buckets like that. So yeah while they are cheaper, younger, less of an **** than Jimmy will be.....does it really change anything? Even if you get the ideal version of Russell or Brogdon....the fact is that at their best they probably won't be as good as Jimmy is right now....and so at best you are simply flipping a slow start (which would alienate everyone) for a rough end. Which is fine...but ultimately rather pointless, no?

I get the angst. Ole Man Jimmy is a scary thought. Tobias while youngish, is also pretty close to his peak and that isn't worth a max. But it feels like we already made our bed and just gotta hope this ends in a championship and unless there are better options available..this is the best we can do.

[LloydFree]

And be prepared for him to be an immovable albatross like Chris Paul and John Wall in less than 3 years. I don't get why you're all okay with retaining Jimmy on the max. He doesn't fit and can't impact the game off the ball. Not to mention he's old, worn down and tough to deal with.

It will be worse than Chris Paul's contract. Butler is a role player. Nobody will take that contract.

Are you against re-signing Jimmy?

For 5/190? Definitely against.

[Arsenal]

We really blew it by trading for Harris instead of Otto Porter. We would have been able to keep Landry Shamet or the MIA pick and we would have a better player locked in for $6M per year less than what Harris will get.

[BullyKing]

We really blew it by trading for Harris instead of Otto Porter. We would have been able to keep Landry Shamet or the MIA pick and we would have a better player locked in for $6M per year less than what Harris will get.

This thread is about what we should do going forward

[ProcessDoctor]

If we decide to divide our MLE between a PG and a C, what's the best realistic combo we can get?

Darren Collison + Nene/Noah?

George Hill + Nene/Noah?

[FireMorey]

Otto Porter is not very good. Can't create off the dribble, is strictly a 3 and D guy. Would much rather have Harris it isn't even close. Porter isn't better than Harris, that's crazy.

[Arsenal]

Here's a comprehensive list of veteran free agents to target after we resign the 3 key guys (Butler, Harris, and Redick).

I've removed guys who are young/unproven/fringe, and guys who I think will get more than the MLE.

Based on our (lack of) roster depth, we're going to need at least 3 of these guys to anchor our bench unit. Preferably 2 come cheap (vet min or BAE), allowing us to use the full midlevel on 1 difference maker to be the 6th man.

That way we aren't relying on any of our young guys to be in the rotation next year, although I'll be disappointed if Thybulle isn't.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

PG
Darren Collison
Rajon Rondo
Cory Joseph
Ish Smith
Patrick Beverley
George Hill
JJ Barea
Emmanuel Mudiay (RFA)
Elfrid Payton
Raymond Felton
Devin Harris
Derrick Rose
Shelvin Mack
Delon Wright (RFA)
Tyus Jones (RFA)
Trey Burke
TJ McConnell
Jeremy Lin
Michael Carter-Williams

SG
Tyreke Evans
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Alec Burks
Terrence Ross
Iman Shumpert
Danny Green
Garrett Temple
Jeremy Lamb
Justin Holiday
Lance Stephenson
Rodney Hood
Thomas Satoransky
Vince Carter
Wesley Matthews

SF
Rudy Gay
Jeff Green
Trevor Ariza
DeMarre Carroll
Wilson Chandler
Jared Dudley
Thabo Sefolosha
Luol Deng
Darius Miller
James Ennis
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Mario Hezonja

PF
Taj Gibson
JaMychal Green
Nikola Mirotic
Al-Farouq Aminu
Anthony Tolliver
Marcus Morris
Mike Muscala
Ed Davis
Mike Scott
Frank Kaminsky (RFA)
Trey Lyles (RFA)
Jonas Jerebko
Bobby Portis (RFA)
Noah Vonleh
Maxi Kleber (RFA)
Markieff Morris

C
DeAndre Jordan
Robin Lopez
Kosta Koufos
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Kyle O'Quinn
Nene
Brook Lopez
Ekpe Udoh
Zaza Pachulia
JaVale McGee
Tyson Chandler
Nerlens Noel
Joakim Noah
Kevon Looney
Khem Birch (RFA)
Jordan Bell (RFA)
Thomas Bryant (RFA)
Enes Kanter
Salah Mejri
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bogut

Who do you see us realistically getting?

[Arsenal]

Otto Porter is not very good. Can't create off the dribble, is strictly a 3 and D guy. Would much rather have Harris it isn't even close. Porter isn't better than Harris, that's crazy.

No you're crazy. Porter has consistently outperformed Harris in all relevant advanced metrics like RPM, RAPM and VORP. Porter is a stud defender while Harris is mediocre on that end. Porter is a better shooter.

The only thing Harris is better at is creating off the dribble.

[Arsenal]

If we decide to divide our MLE between a PG and a C, what's the best realistic combo we can get?

Darren Collison + Nene/Noah?

George Hill + Nene/Noah?

Personally I think we use the entire MLE for 1 guy. Then the BAE for a center. Then hopefully resign Mike Scott to be the 1st swingman off the bench w/Bird Rights.

So maybe George Hill + Mike Scott + Noah. Then maybe another swingman for the minimum to be the 9th man in case Thybulle isn't ready for that spot. Bringing back James Ennis would be fine for that role.

[eagereyez]

Who knows who comes available? 2-3 stars come available every year that no one expects. If you have assets then you can go after them.

If you've blown most/all your assets for the privilege of handing out a bad contract, then you're stuck.

We should have waited to trade for a star who at least would not be grossly overpaid on his next contract as Tobias will be.

Again, you refuse to address parts of my argument. What about making a run for it last year? Does that not have play into the value proposition? Also are you trying to punt on free agency so you can wait? And we discussed opportunity cost the other day--what is the opportunity cost of his somewhat bloated contract if we are over the cap anyway and our owner has indicated he is fine paying the luxury tax?

And "Who knows who comes available" is proving my point. You can keep waiting for this magical perfect contract or you can pounce on a high-end talent when he becomes available.

Tobias Harris put up 15/9/4/1/1 per game on a terrible .521 TS and with mediocre defense during the playoffs.

It is laughable to call him a star. We would have lost to TOR in 6 or 7 with or without him. There's a good reason why the Clippers DIDN'T MISS A BEAT without him.

For reference Dario Saric put up 17/7/4/1/1 at .546 TS during the playoffs last year.

We burned a load of assets on and are about to MAX out with a 5 year $190M contract a NON DIFFERENCE-MAKER.

I was assured that Harris is a star player after one good game in the first round of the playoffs.

[FireMorey]

Otto Porter is not very good. Can't create off the dribble, is strictly a 3 and D guy. Would much rather have Harris it isn't even close. Porter isn't better than Harris, that's crazy.

No you're crazy. Porter has consistently outperformed Harris in all relevant advanced metrics like RPM, RAPM and VORP. Porter is a stud defender while Harris is mediocre on that end. Porter is a better shooter.

The only thing Harris is better at is creating off the dribble.

Can you use anything other than metrics to back up your case?

[Arsenal]

Oh by the way. I'm on board to bring back Furkan Korkmaz. The kid took a big jump last year where he flashed 3 level scoring ability, and is still only 21 years old.

I'd much rather have him on our bench as opposed to that 2nd rounder we just took or whoever else we pick up off the scrap heap.

With that said I assume he'll go somewhere where he has a better chance of playing time.