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MoMM wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:MoMM wrote:Cool, bringing Birch back will be helpful, even if it's to be a future asset.
Don't expect him back if Vuc re signs.. Hear Philly is interested in Birch as cheap but capable backup
Haven't they drafted Bruno Fernando to be their backup C?
MagicMatic wrote:ezzzp wrote:
If the answer wasn’t so long winded I’d believe they already know who they are bringing back if there are offers in place.
) sign him. 
PrimeThyme wrote:MagicMatic wrote:ezzzp wrote:
If the answer wasn’t so long winded I’d believe they already know who they are bringing back if there are offers in place.
For better or for worse, this FO has been pretty predictable on all fronts thus far (Drafting long forwards, spending money wisely, etc). One thing that I've actually liked is how they have approached free agency. They have spent money wisely and have been careful not to handicap us with long term bad contracts like Rob did.
With that being said, I think Vuc will be in another uniform next season. The only thing we can offer him over other teams is more money and more years. I cannot or at least I pray that a big money long term contract is not in the cards for us when it comes to resigning him. Let a team like LA or Boston (Go to the Celtics board and read the Vuc thread btw
I would be content with letting the young guys play next year. Next offseason is when cap space will free up and we should have a much better idea on where we stand with Fultz/Bamba/Isaac. We were just flat out ahead of schedule this year. We can't lose sight of the fact that we are still a rebuilding team with a very young core and I don't think Weltman will either.
ezzzp wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:For better or for worse, this FO has been pretty predictable on all fronts thus far (Drafting long forwards, spending money wisely, etc). One thing that I've actually liked is how they have approached free agency. They have spent money wisely and have been careful not to handicap us with long term bad contracts like Rob did.
With that being said, I think Vuc will be in another uniform next season. The only thing we can offer him over other teams is more money and more years. I cannot or at least I pray that a big money long term contract is not in the cards for us when it comes to resigning him. Let a team like LA or Boston (Go to the Celtics board and read the Vuc thread btw
I would be content with letting the young guys play next year. Next offseason is when cap space will free up and we should have a much better idea on where we stand with Fultz/Bamba/Isaac. We were just flat out ahead of schedule this year. We can't lose sight of the fact that we are still a rebuilding team with a very young core and I don't think Weltman will either.
Windhorst said on an ESPN podcast that the Lakers are interested in bringing in a center, with Lopez and DeAndre Jordan being potential targets on the free agent market.
“The Lakers, I think, are sniffing around (Lopez). I think the Lakers need perimeter players. I think they’re going to have to use their money on perimeter players. I know DeAndre Jordan is a guy on the Lakers’ radar that they’re hoping they may able to get for relatively cheap because he wants to be back in L.A.”
ezzzp wrote:
Glossed over by Magic fans that want Vucevic gone, in the same statement were Woj said that Boston and LA had interest, he started by saying that both Orlando and Vucevic are “motivated to get a deal done." Both sides want to work it out.
MagicFan101 wrote:ezzzp wrote:
Glossed over by Magic fans that want Vucevic gone, in the same statement were Woj said that Boston and LA had interest, he started by saying that both Orlando and Vucevic are “motivated to get a deal done." Both sides want to work it out.
Only a very small list of Magic fans “want Vucevic gone.”
What most want is for WeHam is be committed to the long term health of the franchise and not lock us into a crippling 5 year mega deal.
Vuc will be more than welcome back with open arms by any true Magic fan ... if the price tag is fair.
npiper17 wrote:
ezzzp wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:ezzzp wrote:
Glossed over by Magic fans that want Vucevic gone, in the same statement were Woj said that Boston and LA had interest, he started by saying that both Orlando and Vucevic are “motivated to get a deal done." Both sides want to work it out.
Only a very small list of Magic fans “want Vucevic gone.”
What most want is for WeHam is be committed to the long term health of the franchise and not lock us into a crippling 5 year mega deal.
Vuc will be more than welcome back with open arms by any true Magic fan ... if the price tag is fair.
There are a lot of Magic fans that want him gone no matter what...all you have to do is read the Vucevic thread and you'll see
If Vuc gets a >$25m offer I'd let him go. If it's descending (like AG's) or 2-3yr deal, I could be talked into a slightly higher amount but nothing crazy.
Teams want him, but I don't think anyone really want's to give him the type of contract that you are speaking of. It only takes one silly team to offer it, but it seems unlikely.
MoMM wrote:npiper17 wrote:
Since Boston had a pick a little bit earlier I will say it's not them.
Perhaps it was Indiana and then they decided to trade #32? Maybe 76ers since they might be close to our GM (Fultz's connection)?
MoMM wrote:ezzzp wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:
Only a very small list of Magic fans “want Vucevic gone.”
What most want is for WeHam is be committed to the long term health of the franchise and not lock us into a crippling 5 year mega deal.
Vuc will be more than welcome back with open arms by any true Magic fan ... if the price tag is fair.
There are a lot of Magic fans that want him gone no matter what...all you have to do is read the Vucevic thread and you'll see
If Vuc gets a >$25m offer I'd let him go. If it's descending (like AG's) or 2-3yr deal, I could be talked into a slightly higher amount but nothing crazy.
Teams want him, but I don't think anyone really want's to give him the type of contract that you are speaking of. It only takes one silly team to offer it, but it seems unlikely.
A 26-24-22-20 deal would be fantastic for us, IMO.
ezzzp wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:For better or for worse, this FO has been pretty predictable on all fronts thus far (Drafting long forwards, spending money wisely, etc). One thing that I've actually liked is how they have approached free agency. They have spent money wisely and have been careful not to handicap us with long term bad contracts like Rob did.
With that being said, I think Vuc will be in another uniform next season. The only thing we can offer him over other teams is more money and more years. I cannot or at least I pray that a big money long term contract is not in the cards for us when it comes to resigning him. Let a team like LA or Boston (Go to the Celtics board and read the Vuc thread btw
I would be content with letting the young guys play next year. Next offseason is when cap space will free up and we should have a much better idea on where we stand with Fultz/Bamba/Isaac. We were just flat out ahead of schedule this year. We can't lose sight of the fact that we are still a rebuilding team with a very young core and I don't think Weltman will either.
Glossed over by Magic fans that want Vucevic gone, in the same statement were Woj said that Boston and LA had interest, he started by saying that both Orlando and Vucevic are “motivated to get a deal done." Both sides want to work it out.
Orlando can offer him continuity; both in his professional and in his private life. They also have a coach that brought out the best in him. That is a lot for some players.
In the past, Vucevic has said he greatly admires players that stay with one team; and he is big on team loyalty. Vucevic is not a free agent that grew up trapped in a small community or without access to see the world. He grew up living in numerous metropolitan cities and traveling the world because of his parents. Continuity and stability could be important factors for him.
Boston is a great franchise, but their outlook isn't really dramatically superior than the Magic's.
Boston can offer Vucevic up to $25.8M if they renounce everyone except Rozier. If they renounce Rozier they can offer Vucevic a full max ($32.7m).
Last season Boston was a second round team (beat an Oladipo-less Indiana team in 1st and got smoked by Bucks in 2nd). To get to the space they need to offer Vucevic money, they will willingly or unwillingly give up 4 key players to that 49 win team: 3 starters (Horford/Irving/Morris) plus Rozier (23mpg back up PG).
That will leave a very young roster without a true PG or true PF. They played Hayward as small ball 4 (36% of his minutes) but its questionable that's the full time starter answer there. Smart has mostly played alongside a true PG for past 3 seasons. Hypothetically they could play him at point, but he's not a true PG...if he were, they would have traded Rozier long ago.
PG: x / x
SG: Brown 22 / Smart 25 / Langford 19
SF: Tatum 21 / Hayward 29
PF: x / Oyele 24 / Yabusele 23 / Williams 19
C: x / x / Williams 21
...
PG: Augustin 31 / Fultz 20
SG: Fournier 25 / x / Frazier 21
SF: Gordon 23 / Iwundu 24
PF: Isaac 21 / x / Okeke 21
C: x / Bamba 20
PrimeThyme wrote:I didn't gloss over a single thing. Loyalty means nothing to me until he puts the pen to paper on a team friendly deal. Both sides can be motivated to get a deal done but that doesn't imply that both will be on the same page when that time comes. I happen to think WeHam will be smart enough not to give Vuc a contract more than 20-22 mill for 2-3 years but we will see. Maybe they arent.
Some people just love to complain.ORL_on_FIRE wrote:I understand the backcourt hasn’t been addressed yet but free agency hasn’t even started.. why jump to conclusions?