About those 4th rounders we acquired for #30...

[Kilo]

The four fourth rounders were -

According to Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press, the four second-rounders heading to Detroit will come in 2020, 2021, 2023 and 2024.

Cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor added additional clarity specifying that the 2021 and 2023 picks were originally Portland’s, while the 2020 pick is Utah’s and the 2024 pick is Miami’s. Hat tip Luke Adams of Hoops Rumors.

So Dallas got Utah's 2020 and Portland's 2021 along with our #45 for Sirvydis. Utah's second next year will be 55ish if they stay healthy. And Portland's 2021 should be 45+ as well.

We traded the Miami 2024 second rounder (and $2M) for the Jordan Bone selection at #57. That pick has Top 55 Protection on it, meaning unless Miami finishes top five in the league in 2024 they get it back. So it was valueless.

At least we kept what is probably the most valuable of the picks - Portland 2023 is the biggest wildcard.

But in reality these picks all sucked - it was really three as the Miami pick would never convey. One is 55ish next year (Utah), one is 50 in 2021 (Portland).

Main piece coming back really was the $5M cash into Gores pocket.

[MotownMadness]

Teams just give the damn things away every draft. Still wish we would of just kept Porter Jr to give him a shot

[ElectricMayhem]

Gilbert: Hey Goresy? how about 4 second round picks for your one 1st round pick?
Gores: 4? Hey, 4 is better than one. Let's do it.
Stefanski: Well, those picks aren't exactly the bes....
Gores (writing on the whiteboard): 4>1. Look, Ed. It's not that hard to understand, is it? We're taking Cleveland to the cleaners on this!
Gores (to Gilbert): Gilbert! You've got yourself a deal!
Gilbert (calling back 10 minutes later): Me again, Goresy. I seem to recall you having four newly acquired 2nd round picks.
Gores: That's right. And no takebacks!
Gilbert: Well, I do miss having possession of those picks. But I think I have a deal that might really entice you.
Gores: Ha! Fat chance. What could you have that tops four, count 'em, FOUR picks....
Gilbert: Erm, how about 10 ummm, 4th round picks?
Gores: 10? (holds hand over receiver and whispers incredulously to Stefanski) This is our lucky day, Eddy boy! 10 is a helluva lot more than 4. A helluva lot!
Stefanski: Boss, in the NBA draft, there are only two....
Gores: Put a sock in it, Ed. I'm a numbers man. I know that higher numbers are better for business. Just look at my revenue from inmates using prison phones. THIS is how business is done.
Gores: Gilbert? It is ALWAYS a pleasure doing business with you.
Stefanski (buries face in hands)

[LaSheed]

Lol alright i gave in. This move sucked lol.

[thesack12]

This is Ed (I'm going to hire myself) Stefanski, ladies and gentlemen.

Those caliber of picks are easily acquired for next to nothing every single draft.

It sure is looking like Tony Snell was the main attraction for Detroit in that trade, and that is downright scary.

[kellmellus50]

The reason they wanted to slide back was to pay less in contracts

[DBC10]

Ownership will always be the main problem whenever a team makes a dumb decision.

[jakebernat]

some of you need to shake all of that sand out. KPJ fell for a REASON. For every draymond/artest/sheed there is an OJ Mayo/tyreke Evans/ty Lawson. as long as blake is here, we need to continue establishing the culture and DNA of this team. no need to add another headcase to the team with Reggie and Andre already in the fold.

that being said, i’m on board with the moves we made. we acquired an under the radar foreign sharpshooter who we can draft and stash, something we haven’t done in a while. this keeps a roster spot open until next year when our expiring come off the books. also, I’m very high on bone, I think he can eventually become a good backup PG.

I keep telling people this: if the spurs made these exact same moves, everyone would be saying “pop and Buford did it again,” but since it’s us, the narrative is that we reached for guys that nobody wanted because the keyboard warriors know better than the guys whose careers literally depend on getting this right.

[Kilo]

Bruno Fernando, Nic Claxton, Carsen Edwards, KZ Okpala could have been drafted #30 OA. Even Eric Parschal could have provided bench minutes.

#30 OA gets paid roughly $1.4M - that's the vets minimum we're going to have to pay to fill one of those positions in our rotation anyways. Rather have Jose Calderon redux or Carsen Edwards? Zaza Pachulia or Claxton/Fernando? GR III or KZ Okpala?

[thesack12]

I keep telling people this: if the spurs made these exact same moves, everyone would be saying “pop and Buford did it again,” but since it’s us, the narrative is that we reached for guys that nobody wanted because the keyboard warriors know better than the guys whose careers literally depend on getting this right.

Have you taken a moment to consider that maybe that's because Pop and co. actually have proven that A) They have a good eye for talent and B) Have the ability to develop that talent and C) have engineered substantial team success

Three things in which Detroit has proven they don't have a knack for.

[Warspite]

Bruno Fernando, Nic Claxton, Carsen Edwards, KZ Okpala could have been drafted #30 OA. Even Eric Parschal could have provided bench minutes.

#30 OA gets paid roughly $1.4M - that's the vets minimum we're going to have to pay to fill one of those positions in our rotation anyways. Rather have Jose Calderon redux or Carsen Edwards? Zaza Pachulia or Claxton/Fernando? GR III or KZ Okpala?

I agree 100% Fernando could have made Drummond either an all star or a bench player. There was talent out there for defined roles but we just couldn't create the role for that talent and so passed.

[A_dub06]

I keep telling people this: if the spurs made these exact same moves, everyone would be saying “pop and Buford did it again,” but since it’s us, the narrative is that we reached for guys that nobody wanted because the keyboard warriors know better than the guys whose careers literally depend on getting this right.

Have you taken a moment to consider that maybe that's because Pop and co. actually have proven that A) They have a good eye for talent and B) Have the ability to develop that talent and C) have engineered substantial team success

Three things in which Detroit has proven they don't have a knack for.

So much so this. We could’ve taken Bol, Porter jnr, or a number of other guys at #30 which would’ve made so much more sense given what we had. I wouldn’t care at all taking a risk on any of those guys, it’s not like we were taking them earlier or missing out on much by doing so. Bol has such a high ceiling that even if he didn’t play this year it would’ve been a sound and reasonable investment.

There is no way anyone would’ve said this was a great move, and if it was the Spurs they just would’ve been given the benefit of the doubt as they have a proven track record of developing. Who have we actually developed well here in the past decade?

[The Penguin]

I know he's got some character concerns, but Porter Jr (a 6'6" guard who can create his own offense) sounds like exactly what we needed. And we straight up sold him.

[vege]

What a joke, especially considering the price we paid to acquire the #30.

[DBC10]

I know he's got some character concerns, but Porter Jr (a 6'6" guard who can create his own offense) sounds like exactly what we needed. And we straight up sold him.

Yep, and I kind of want him to use that as motivation and break out against us, while just pointing at Gores the whole time. That'd be hilarious, but knowing Gores, he'd be so coked up, he'd think it was one of our own guys.

[thesack12]

I know he's got some character concerns, but Porter Jr (a 6'6" guard who can create his own offense) sounds like exactly what we needed. And we straight up sold him.

So much so, this.

People harp on wanting/needing shooting, but the biggest need on this team by far is somebody that can get his own shot.

Camp out style spot up shooters like Snell, aren't going to take any pressure off of Blake or reduce his workload / wear & tear. Blake needs guys that break a defense down and create shots for themselves and their teammates. And someone who can attack defense and get to the dang free throw line for crying out loud. Detroit doesn't have any perimeter players that can draw fouls and get to the free throw line.

Everything filters through Blake offensively, and that is not a good thing.

[The_Irony]

I know he's got some character concerns, but Porter Jr (a 6'6" guard who can create his own offense) sounds like exactly what we needed. And we straight up sold him.

character concerns is such a baseless accusation on the kid IMO

talk to all in the Spurs cult and they'll tell you all about kwahis character issues . there's always two sides to every story and winning teams don't have 15 choir boys


the problem I see with Kevin on Cleveland is he's on a team where no one will want to pass the ball besides Kevin love

[Mr. Krabs]

I know he's got some character concerns, but Porter Jr (a 6'6" guard who can create his own offense) sounds like exactly what we needed. And we straight up sold him.

So much so, this.

People harp on wanting/needing shooting, but the biggest need on this team by far is somebody that can get his own shot.

Camp out style spot up shooters like Snell, aren't going to take any pressure off of Blake or reduce his workload / wear & tear. Blake needs guys that break a defense down and create shots for themselves and their teammates. And someone who can attack defense and get to the dang free throw line for crying out loud. Detroit doesn't have any perimeter players that can draw fouls and get to the free throw line.

Everything filters through Blake offensively, and that is not a good thing.

I watched a fair amount of KPJ and always thought that he is more Nick Young than Harden but who knows at this point

[Uncle Mxy]

I'm surprised we didn't go for Bol Bol. I predict he'll have a better career than Thon Maker.

[flow]

I know he's got some character concerns, but Porter Jr (a 6'6" guard who can create his own offense) sounds like exactly what we needed. And we straight up sold him.

character concerns is such a baseless accusation on the kid IMO

talk to all in the Spurs cult and they'll tell you all about kwahis character issues . there's always two sides to every story and winning teams don't have 15 choir boys


the problem I see with Kevin on Cleveland is he's on a team where no one will want to pass the ball besides Kevin love

Cedi is a very willing passer.