2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Post #941 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:59 pm

JustiseForMiami wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
I’ve heard good things about this kid. Video was nice, but what I noticed was just about every highlight was a paint finish or some sort of awkward paint flip shot. Can he stretch the floor?

I guess my concern would be that given his slender frame, perhaps the paint isn’t going to be his friend in the bigger, stronger NBA.

He shoots it really good from three.

Strengths:

KZ Okpala has elite slashing ability and continues to improve. He has impressive flexibility when he contorts his body to score at the rim. Impressive length, combined with his solid dexterity, he continues to become an elite scorer at every level of the floor. He’s without a doubt a professional scorer.

His professional scoring has been on display countless times. Off-balance, miss-direction, or even when he’s double teamed, the Californian native finds a way to finish. He has a wide wingspan, so even on his misses he can sometimes get the offensive rebound. At 6’8, the forward has solid size but is not afraid to go amongst the trees and score on the inside.

His length does not only help him offensively, but it has also helped on the defensive end in the passing lanes. He is a sneaky/pesky defender, though if he can improve it it’ll be encouraging. KZ is an elite three point shooter, and he is an elite shooter when his feet are set. He has the chance to become an even better scorer as he finds his comfortability with his shot this season.

Weaknesses:

Okpala’s dribbling ability will open up a lot more opportunities for KZ as he slashes and shoots. He relies on luring his defender to sleep to drive or use his length, but as he progresses to the next level that will not always be as easy as the defense improves. KZ is a lengthy player that you hope does not become content with his length being the difference maker and not work on his ball handling as much.

KZ is a professional scorer, there is no denying that but he has to become a better playmaker to become a solid pro. Being able to create your own shot works in this modern day NBA, but creating for others stretches the defense. Okpala opened up his sophomore campaign with five assists against Seattle. He’s had a few four assists games this season so you know the potential to distribute the ball is there.

KZ is a freakishly long athlete with a ridiculous 7-2 wingspan and a long, wiry frame. He's built along the lines of a longer Trevor Ariza or Bruno Caboclo (but way more skilled than Bruno).

KZ surprises with his ball-handling ability, as he's able to dribble in traffic and drive the ball in tight spaces. He's got a quick first step and his length around the rim gives him an unfair advantage.

His three point shooting has gone to a new level this year (although he still struggles from the FT line) and if this small sample size pans out, he'll have a long and successful NBA career.

While not yet being a polished defender KZ has all the tools to be a standout on defense. He's very thin but an NBA conditioning program will help bring him up to strength.

Yea I like KZ a lot, and love the look of his form. Very smooth set shot.

I saw a few heat specific big boards posted here, so i guess I’ll throw in my top 11 for us (since that’s where we are sitting)

1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barrett
3. Cam Reddish
4. Ja Morant
5. Darius Garland
6. De’Andre Hunter
7. Rui Hachimura
8. Bol Bol
9. Jarrett Culver
10. KZ Okpala
11. Brandon Clarke

Post #942 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:01 pm

Pretty cool seeing how some of us were crazy high on Okpala during college bb season until we got our minds thrown off course by the media mockers. Good job guys. We got ourselves a true steal in the second.

TheDon_5 · Post #943 » by **TheDon_5** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:05 pm

Herro and Okpala are absolutely great picks. Shame about the Bol Bol trade, honestly could’ve had 3 players with lottery pick potential.

Bam and Bol would’ve been amazing if Bol stayed healthy. Anyway, Herro is going to shut the haters up real quick. He’s going to be a great player for us, will be a vital piece in this teams next championship run.

Dr_Heat · Post #944 » by **Dr_Heat** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:23 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Pretty cool seeing how some of us were crazy high on Okpala during college bb season until we got our minds thrown off course by the media mockers. Good job guys. We got ourselves a true steal in the second.

Can I jump on the KZ bandwagon?

I got shotgun

Dr_Heat · Post #945 » by **Dr_Heat** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:44 pm

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The great white hope

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DrHeat · Post #951 » by **DrHeat** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:52 pm

Riley must have liked Okpala a lot... I am sure he was ranked top 20 in the Heat board...3 future 2th rounds picks is a lot for # 32
I feel this was a great draft for Miami they got a player that can contribute and play fairly soon in Herro and a super athletic guy with excellent tools that is going go be project but has off the chart potential with good coaching and can be developed

Post #952 » by **DayofMourning** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:05 pm

Speaks a lot to how maniacal Pat Riley is compared to the rest of the league when he's willing to trade 3 second rounders to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round. He has no respect for the value of draft picks. Never has. I'd venture to say that we have the fewest overall draft picks of any team in the the last 25 years. Funny that the team that finally got him back to the promised land was one built on the shoulders of a top lottery pick (Wade), a great role player in the 2nd round (Haslem), and a player who was acquired by trading the previous years lottery pick (Shaq for Caron and others).

His plan of securing top shelf FAs has been fruitless other than the Wade lead 2010 FA. Wade had to talk Riley out of signing Carlos Boozer because he knew Bosh and Lebron were in the pipeline. He had to be talked into drafting Wade because he wanted Chris Kaman. Imagine if that had happened....0 championships....

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #953 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:28 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Speaks a lot to how maniacal Pat Riley is compared to the rest of the league when he's willing to trade 3 second rounders to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round. He has no respect for the value of draft picks. Never has. I'd venture to say that we have the fewest overall draft picks of any team in the the last 25 years. Funny that the team that finally got him back to the promised land was one built on the shoulders of a top lottery pick (Wade), a great role player in the 2nd round (Haslem), and a player who was acquired by trading the previous years lottery pick (Shaq for Caron and others).

His plan of securing top shelf FAs has been fruitless other than the Wade lead 2010 FA. Wade had to talk Riley out of signing Carlos Boozer because he knew Bosh and Lebron were in the pipeline. He had to be talked into drafting Wade because he wanted Chris Kaman. Imagine if that had happened....0 championships....

Would you trade 3 likely to be late FRPs to move up to early lottery?

Post #954 » by **DayofMourning** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:31 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Speaks a lot to how maniacal Pat Riley is compared to the rest of the league when he's willing to trade 3 second rounders to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round. He has no respect for the value of draft picks. Never has. I'd venture to say that we have the fewest overall draft picks of any team in the the last 25 years. Funny that the team that finally got him back to the promised land was one built on the shoulders of a top lottery pick (Wade), a great role player in the 2nd round (Haslem), and a player who was acquired by trading the previous years lottery pick (Shaq for Caron and others).

His plan of securing top shelf FAs has been fruitless other than the Wade lead 2010 FA. Wade had to talk Riley out of signing Carlos Boozer because he knew Bosh and Lebron were in the pipeline. He had to be talked into drafting Wade because he wanted Chris Kaman. Imagine if that had happened....0 championships....

Would you trade 3 likely to be late FRPs to move up to early lottery?

That's a god awful comparison and deserves a one day ban IMO.

You're basically saying trade 28, 29, and 30 for a top five pick? Then you are comparing that to trading 3 second rounders for one second rounder that can just be bought out right.

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #955 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:58 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Speaks a lot to how maniacal Pat Riley is compared to the rest of the league when he's willing to trade 3 second rounders to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round. He has no respect for the value of draft picks. Never has. I'd venture to say that we have the fewest overall draft picks of any team in the the last 25 years. Funny that the team that finally got him back to the promised land was one built on the shoulders of a top lottery pick (Wade), a great role player in the 2nd round (Haslem), and a player who was acquired by trading the previous years lottery pick (Shaq for Caron and others).

His plan of securing top shelf FAs has been fruitless other than the Wade lead 2010 FA. Wade had to talk Riley out of signing Carlos Boozer because he knew Bosh and Lebron were in the pipeline. He had to be talked into drafting Wade because he wanted Chris Kaman. Imagine if that had happened....0 championships....

Would you trade 3 likely to be late FRPs to move up to early lottery?

That's a god awful comparison and deserves a one day ban IMO.

You're basically saying trade 28, 29, and 30 for a top five pick? Then you are comparing that to trading 3 second rounders for one second rounder that can just be bought out right.

It's a fair comparison. We hopefully traded 3 picks that will be in the 50s for an early 2nd round pick. We got a guy we would've drafted at 13 if another guy we liked wasn't there with the 32nd overall pick. That's amazing value. Also, I'd rather start developing my 2nd rounders right now and not in 5 years which is when we should be competing for a championship. This was a well executed trade by Riley.

Bishop45 · Post #956 » by **Bishop45** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:00 am

DayofMourning wrote:Speaks a lot to how maniacal Pat Riley is compared to the rest of the league when he's willing to trade 3 second rounders to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round. He has no respect for the value of draft picks. Never has. I'd venture to say that we have the fewest overall draft picks of any team in the the last 25 years. Funny that the team that finally got him back to the promised land was one built on the shoulders of a top lottery pick (Wade), a great role player in the 2nd round (Haslem), and a player who was acquired by trading the previous years lottery pick (Shaq for Caron and others).

His plan of securing top shelf FAs has been fruitless other than the Wade lead 2010 FA. Wade had to talk Riley out of signing Carlos Boozer because he knew Bosh and Lebron were in the pipeline. He had to be talked into drafting Wade because he wanted Chris Kaman. Imagine if that had happened....0 championships....

To Winslow becoming a Saiyan, and attracting a Duke fam reunion...(No more Kentucky players)

:pray:

Bishop45 · Post #957 » by **Bishop45** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:04 am

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Would you trade 3 likely to be late FRPs to move up to early lottery?

That's a god awful comparison and deserves a one day ban IMO.

You're basically saying trade 28, 29, and 30 for a top five pick? Then you are comparing that to trading 3 second rounders for one second rounder that can just be bought out right.

It's a fair comparison. We hopefully traded 3 picks that will be in the 50s for an early 2nd round pick. We got a guy we would've drafted at 13 if another guy we liked wasn't there with the 32nd overall pick. That's amazing value. Also, I'd rather start developing my 2nd rounders right now and not in 5 years which is when we should be competing for a championship. This was a well executed trade by Riley.

Ban him Dom, Do it!!!

Post #958 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:07 am

Bishop45 wrote:Ban him Dom, Do it!!!

He deserves it. Probably just spend the whole day drinking Kool-Aid though...

Bishop45 · Post #959 » by **Bishop45** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:09 am

Rok's got Shamorie Ponds and Moses Brown

Tchuiirps

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #960 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:10 am

So we'd rather keep 3 SRPs that we won't be able to use until like 2025 instead of trading them for a high upside 6-9 forward in KZ Okpala?