Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[Clyde_Style]

If Fiz is going to experiment I want to see what happens when Frank and RJ are used as a giant backcourt

And I'd like to see a three guard lineup with Dot, Frank and RJ paired with Mitch and Knox.

Smallest guy would be 6'6" with 3 good defenders, 4 if RJ brings it and plenty of offensive options.

RJ may be listed as a SF, but it really doesn't matter if his handle is good and he can bring it up the court.

I was thinking that too. If RJ has good enough handle he can be the distributor and Frank and Dot can act as 3&D shooters next Mitch and Knox..... It would be interesting to see that as a regular lineup because not a lot of teams could handle that and it could lead to interesting runs.

It could be a very disruptive unit. I expect RJ to give effort on D so Knox would be the only weak link, but if he's next to four committed defenders it may bring him along faster on that end of the court. If Knox does end up playing average D in a year or two, then that's already a pretty strong unit with the capacity to limit teams to 90 points a night.

[WargamesX]

If Fiz is going to experiment I want to see what happens when Frank and RJ are used as a giant backcourt

And I'd like to see a three guard lineup with Dot, Frank and RJ paired with Mitch and Knox.

Smallest guy would be 6'6" with 3 good defenders, 4 if RJ brings it and plenty of offensive options.

RJ may be listed as a SF, but it really doesn't matter if his handle is good and he can bring it up the court.

I was thinking that too. If RJ has good enough handle he can be the distributor and Frank and Dot can act as 3&D shooters next Mitch and Knox..... It would be interesting to see that as a regular lineup because not a lot of teams could handle that and it could lead to interesting runs.

If Fiz runs the system I think he really wants to run with the kinds of players to play it, Knicks PG's should have low assist totals, no matter who they are, for two main reasons:

The system is supposed to be all players attacking, which means assists should distribute more
Fiz seems to have no issue with more iso'ing going on within that style, where the attack leads to that own players shot who initiated it.
Was that because the Knicks had players who were bad at cutting or that the coach didn't emphasize it enough? Or both?

We'll find out. Even without a FA, Knicks are going to have at least 4 players inclined to attack, who can pass some or a little:
DSJr
Trier
RJ
Knox - yes, I know he rarely passed. But in the SL, when put in P&R situations, he was good passing it. During the season it was tried a few times as well and worked. Why not more often? Who knows.

Other potential creators
Frank - he's "ok" at it, just needs to do more of it
Mario - fits the type, he'll probably be back
Brazzers - seems to be combination of guy who can shoot, put on deck to drive

Minus FA, assuming Mario, that's 8 guys who stylistically fit what Fiz and FO state they want:
Height
Athleticism
Positionless
Attack the basket

Obviously to varying degrees.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing with some movement, attacking, then he's either FOS or kind of sucks.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing that way after adding a Max cat who provides some kind of offensive gravity and defensive attention, he really sucks.

I agree and this system is one of the main reasons I believe the Randle rumors because just like KD and Kyrie he would be an athlete who could potentially play 4 or small ball 5 and on the low Randle might be the best attacking the basket PF in the league. KD and Kyrie would have also been strong candidates for being the focus of the defense on drives and then kick outs.

With that said I also think there need to be some designated shooters on any of those lineup of attackers to keep the opposing defense honest and at least one defender out of position to collapse into the paint. 4 man attacking with a PnR center would get squashed by teams either focusing good man-to-man defense, and or an elite center to keep cutters out the paint.

Attackers/cutters
PG's
DSJr
Trier (if he looks for his team mates more)

Forwards
RJ
Knox
Randle
Iggy Pop (if he looks for his team mates more than he did in college)

D&3 Shooters SG's

SGs
Frank (if he improves on the 3p shot)
DSJ

and then a Center for Pick and Roll/Screen Ops

Centers
Mitch
Potentially Jordan

So, in theory, it would be a system of one of the PG and Forwards attacking, The SG waiting for an outlet pass on the perimeter (along with the forwards/PGs who aren't attacking or cutting), and the Centers either rolling to the basket for a PnR pass or setting a screen to help the roll man or a shooter get open.

Whenever the defense plays the nonattacking players too close, the attacker would go to the basket to either score or draw the foul. Even then I would hope the system is built more on some options of guys cutting to the basket, and going through screens to get shots. That's the level a system has to be built on by the time this squad starts going to the playoffs or as I said earlier good man-to-man defense or an elite defensive Center would rock them.

so.....

Frank
Dotson
RJ
Knox
Randle

Line up would still works because I think the goal is to have 3 guys who can attack the basket on the court at all times. The extra shooters would just open the floor up more for them.

[thebuzzardman]

I was thinking that too. If RJ has good enough handle he can be the distributor and Frank and Dot can act as 3&D shooters next Mitch and Knox..... It would be interesting to see that as a regular lineup because not a lot of teams could handle that and it could lead to interesting runs.

If Fiz runs the system I think he really wants to run with the kinds of players to play it, Knicks PG's should have low assist totals, no matter who they are, for two main reasons:

The system is supposed to be all players attacking, which means assists should distribute more
Fiz seems to have no issue with more iso'ing going on within that style, where the attack leads to that own players shot who initiated it.
Was that because the Knicks had players who were bad at cutting or that the coach didn't emphasize it enough? Or both?

We'll find out. Even without a FA, Knicks are going to have at least 4 players inclined to attack, who can pass some or a little:
DSJr
Trier
RJ
Knox - yes, I know he rarely passed. But in the SL, when put in P&R situations, he was good passing it. During the season it was tried a few times as well and worked. Why not more often? Who knows.

Other potential creators
Frank - he's "ok" at it, just needs to do more of it
Mario - fits the type, he'll probably be back
Brazzers - seems to be combination of guy who can shoot, put on deck to drive

Minus FA, assuming Mario, that's 8 guys who stylistically fit what Fiz and FO state they want:
Height
Athleticism
Positionless
Attack the basket

Obviously to varying degrees.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing with some movement, attacking, then he's either FOS or kind of sucks.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing that way after adding a Max cat who provides some kind of offensive gravity and defensive attention, he really sucks.

I agree and this system is one of the main reasons I believe the Randle rumors because just like KD and Kyrie he would be an athlete who could potentially play 4 or small ball 5 and on the low Randle might be the best attacking the basket PF in the league. KD and Kyrie would have also been strong candidates for being the focus of the defense on drives and then kick outs.

With that said I also think there need to be some designated shooters on any of those lineup of attackers to keep the opposing defense honest and at least one defender out of position to collapse into the paint. 4 man attacking with a PnR center would get squashed by teams either focusing good man-to-man defense, and or an elite center to keep cutters out the paint.

Attackers/cutters
PG's
DSJr
Trier (if he looks for his team mates more)

Forwards
RJ
Knox
Randle
Iggy Pop (if he looks for his team mates more than he did in college)

D&3 Shooters SG's

SGs
Frank (if he improves on the 3p shot)
DSJ

and then a Center for Pick and Roll/Screen Ops

Centers
Mitch
Potentially Jordan

So, in theory, it would be a system of one of the PG and Forwards attacking, The SG waiting for an outlet pass on the perimeter (along with the forwards/PGs who aren't attacking or cutting), and the Centers either rolling to the basket for a PnR pass or setting a screen to help the roll man or a shooter get open.

Whenever the defense plays the nonattacking players too close, the attacker would go to the basket to either score or draw the foul. Even then I would hope the system is built more on some options of guys cutting to the basket, and going through screens to get shots. That's the level a system has to be built on by the time this squad starts going to the playoffs or as I said earlier good man-to-man defense or an elite defensive Center would rock them.

so.....

Frank
Dotson
RJ
Knox
Randle

Line up would still works because I think the goal is to have 3 guys who can attack the basket on the court at all times. The extra shooters would just open the floor up more for them.

I'm not sold on Randle because of his defensive commitment and that MAYBE he's not worth the 20 million he'll get and then the impact on other FA's, future moves, but I completely agree that he stylistically plays the way Fiz wants a 4 to play, and he could play small ball 5.

I didn't watch too many complete Pelicans games, but off highlights, their system looks somewhat like Fiz's, but run correctly

[blanko]

I dont want to resign mario, i would rather have a late career richard Jefferson type of vet. Someone who can give advice.

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[WargamesX]

If Fiz runs the system I think he really wants to run with the kinds of players to play it, Knicks PG's should have low assist totals, no matter who they are, for two main reasons:

The system is supposed to be all players attacking, which means assists should distribute more
Fiz seems to have no issue with more iso'ing going on within that style, where the attack leads to that own players shot who initiated it.
Was that because the Knicks had players who were bad at cutting or that the coach didn't emphasize it enough? Or both?

We'll find out. Even without a FA, Knicks are going to have at least 4 players inclined to attack, who can pass some or a little:
DSJr
Trier
RJ
Knox - yes, I know he rarely passed. But in the SL, when put in P&R situations, he was good passing it. During the season it was tried a few times as well and worked. Why not more often? Who knows.

Other potential creators
Frank - he's "ok" at it, just needs to do more of it
Mario - fits the type, he'll probably be back
Brazzers - seems to be combination of guy who can shoot, put on deck to drive

Minus FA, assuming Mario, that's 8 guys who stylistically fit what Fiz and FO state they want:
Height
Athleticism
Positionless
Attack the basket

Obviously to varying degrees.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing with some movement, attacking, then he's either FOS or kind of sucks.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing that way after adding a Max cat who provides some kind of offensive gravity and defensive attention, he really sucks.

I agree and this system is one of the main reasons I believe the Randle rumors because just like KD and Kyrie he would be an athlete who could potentially play 4 or small ball 5 and on the low Randle might be the best attacking the basket PF in the league. KD and Kyrie would have also been strong candidates for being the focus of the defense on drives and then kick outs.

With that said I also think there need to be some designated shooters on any of those lineup of attackers to keep the opposing defense honest and at least one defender out of position to collapse into the paint. 4 man attacking with a PnR center would get squashed by teams either focusing good man-to-man defense, and or an elite center to keep cutters out the paint.

Attackers/cutters
PG's
DSJr
Trier (if he looks for his team mates more)

Forwards
RJ
Knox
Randle
Iggy Pop (if he looks for his team mates more than he did in college)

D&3 Shooters SG's

SGs
Frank (if he improves on the 3p shot)
DSJ

and then a Center for Pick and Roll/Screen Ops

Centers
Mitch
Potentially Jordan

So, in theory, it would be a system of one of the PG and Forwards attacking, The SG waiting for an outlet pass on the perimeter (along with the forwards/PGs who aren't attacking or cutting), and the Centers either rolling to the basket for a PnR pass or setting a screen to help the roll man or a shooter get open.

Whenever the defense plays the nonattacking players too close, the attacker would go to the basket to either score or draw the foul. Even then I would hope the system is built more on some options of guys cutting to the basket, and going through screens to get shots. That's the level a system has to be built on by the time this squad starts going to the playoffs or as I said earlier good man-to-man defense or an elite defensive Center would rock them.

so.....

Frank
Dotson
RJ
Knox
Randle

Line up would still works because I think the goal is to have 3 guys who can attack the basket on the court at all times. The extra shooters would just open the floor up more for them.

I'm not sold on Randle because of his defensive commitment and that MAYBE he's not worth the 20 million he'll get and then the impact on other FA's, future moves, but I completely agree that he stylistically plays the way Fiz wants a 4 to play, and he could play small ball 5.

I didn't watch too many complete Pelicans games, but off highlights, their system looks somewhat like Fiz's, but run correctly

Yep, the Pelly's were notorious for not having shooters..... but needing shooters.

Further signs of this likely being the play is the videos of Frank training to improve his 3pt shot. Its definitely will be needed alongside Dotson at SG and I could see the knicks asking him to improve that part of his game specifically. Honestly if Frank and Dotson both develop into Courtney Lee in his prime good. The knicks should be good.

[blanko]

I agree and this system is one of the main reasons I believe the Randle rumors because just like KD and Kyrie he would be an athlete who could potentially play 4 or small ball 5 and on the low Randle might be the best attacking the basket PF in the league. KD and Kyrie would have also been strong candidates for being the focus of the defense on drives and then kick outs.

With that said I also think there need to be some designated shooters on any of those lineup of attackers to keep the opposing defense honest and at least one defender out of position to collapse into the paint. 4 man attacking with a PnR center would get squashed by teams either focusing good man-to-man defense, and or an elite center to keep cutters out the paint.

Attackers/cutters
PG's
DSJr
Trier (if he looks for his team mates more)

Forwards
RJ
Knox
Randle
Iggy Pop (if he looks for his team mates more than he did in college)

D&3 Shooters SG's

SGs
Frank (if he improves on the 3p shot)
DSJ

and then a Center for Pick and Roll/Screen Ops

Centers
Mitch
Potentially Jordan

So, in theory, it would be a system of one of the PG and Forwards attacking, The SG waiting for an outlet pass on the perimeter (along with the forwards/PGs who aren't attacking or cutting), and the Centers either rolling to the basket for a PnR pass or setting a screen to help the roll man or a shooter get open.

Whenever the defense plays the nonattacking players too close, the attacker would go to the basket to either score or draw the foul. Even then I would hope the system is built more on some options of guys cutting to the basket, and going through screens to get shots. That's the level a system has to be built on by the time this squad starts going to the playoffs or as I said earlier good man-to-man defense or an elite defensive Center would rock them.

so.....

Frank
Dotson
RJ
Knox
Randle

Line up would still works because I think the goal is to have 3 guys who can attack the basket on the court at all times. The extra shooters would just open the floor up more for them.

I'm not sold on Randle because of his defensive commitment and that MAYBE he's not worth the 20 million he'll get and then the impact on other FA's, future moves, but I completely agree that he stylistically plays the way Fiz wants a 4 to play, and he could play small ball 5.

I didn't watch too many complete Pelicans games, but off highlights, their system looks somewhat like Fiz's, but run correctly

Yep, the Pelly's were notorious for not having shooters..... but needing shooters.

Further signs of this likely being the play is the videos of Frank training to improve his 3pt shot. Its definitely will be needed alongside Dotson at SG and I could see the knicks asking him to improve that part of his game specifically. Honestly if Frank and Dotson both develop into Courtney Lee in his prime good. The knicks should be good.

Frank shooting 38% from 3 with any kind of volume would be an all star. He would blow out Lee's career because he can run the point.

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[WargamesX]

I'm not sold on Randle because of his defensive commitment and that MAYBE he's not worth the 20 million he'll get and then the impact on other FA's, future moves, but I completely agree that he stylistically plays the way Fiz wants a 4 to play, and he could play small ball 5.

I didn't watch too many complete Pelicans games, but off highlights, their system looks somewhat like Fiz's, but run correctly

Yep, the Pelly's were notorious for not having shooters..... but needing shooters.

Further signs of this likely being the play is the videos of Frank training to improve his 3pt shot. Its definitely will be needed alongside Dotson at SG and I could see the knicks asking him to improve that part of his game specifically. Honestly if Frank and Dotson both develop into Courtney Lee in his prime good. The knicks should be good.

Frank shooting 38% from 3 with any kind of volume would be an all star. He would blow out Lee's career because he can run the point.

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I legit don't think they want him to run the offense. He's just not quick and assertive enough, plus with DSJ here its either DSJ at the majority of point, or they find someone better. Frank's best chance to stick is at SG in a rotation next to Dotson. I mean he's grown to 6'7. He's perfect SG size.

[Dranae]

/quote]

I legit don't think they want him to run the offense. He's just not quick and assertive enough, plus with DSJ here its either DSJ at the majority of point, or they find someone better. Frank's best chance to stick is at SG in a rotation next to Dotson. I mean he's grown to 6'7. He's perfect SG size.

I think the idea is they'd let him do it in spurts, a secondary ball-handler, willing passer to make the extra pass, (his role in France...with more scoring...and the same role most scouting reports said he should play to ease him into the NBA game) that is assuming Fiz's offense is still about pushing the pace with multiple ball-handlers off defensive rebounds... I agree with Frank at the 2.

[blanko]

Yep, the Pelly's were notorious for not having shooters..... but needing shooters.

Further signs of this likely being the play is the videos of Frank training to improve his 3pt shot. Its definitely will be needed alongside Dotson at SG and I could see the knicks asking him to improve that part of his game specifically. Honestly if Frank and Dotson both develop into Courtney Lee in his prime good. The knicks should be good.

Frank shooting 38% from 3 with any kind of volume would be an all star. He would blow out Lee's career because he can run the point.

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I legit don't think they want him to run the offense. He's just not quick and assertive enough, plus with DSJ here its either DSJ at the majority of point, or they find someone better. Frank's best chance to stick is at SG in a rotation next to Dotson. I mean he's grown to 6'7. He's perfect SG size.

Running the offense means different things, something lee simply couldn't do. Frank is a good conductor imho. Dsj looks more like an 2 to me, I hope his basketball iq improves because dsj as so much potential.

Oh D rose is a example of a bad point guard, he should have been a 2. Ball pounder who's assists came off last min dumps from mindless drives.

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[thebuzzardman]

Yep, the Pelly's were notorious for not having shooters..... but needing shooters.

Further signs of this likely being the play is the videos of Frank training to improve his 3pt shot. Its definitely will be needed alongside Dotson at SG and I could see the knicks asking him to improve that part of his game specifically. Honestly if Frank and Dotson both develop into Courtney Lee in his prime good. The knicks should be good.

Frank shooting 38% from 3 with any kind of volume would be an all star. He would blow out Lee's career because he can run the point.

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I legit don't think they want him to run the offense. He's just not quick and assertive enough, plus with DSJ here its either DSJ at the majority of point, or they find someone better. Frank's best chance to stick is at SG in a rotation next to Dotson. I mean he's grown to 6'7. He's perfect SG size.

Other than the fact he's tentative about driving - which I personally think is trying to hard to play mistake free basketball - if the Knicks are going to go "positionless" and have the offense initiated from multiple positions, then why not have Frank see some time at "PG", but round out his minutes backing up 2 and 3 as well, where he gets 20 mpg, but around 10 are well and truly at the point, to the extent it matters with guys like RJ, Trier, DSJr, Mario (Buzztrodamus says he's coming back), even Knox.

[taj2133]

If the lakers can't get a point guard send frank over there in LA with lebron and ad.

[Zenzibar]

You're gonna be ok Kid. We got some Knicks fans firmly behind you and are hoping your next leap is right around the corner.

[Cookies4Life]

If the lakers can't get a point guard send frank over there in LA with lebron and ad.

That's a great, great idea. Why stop with only one of our lottery picks?

Let's give them all our kids. I mean it's Lebron AND AD, right? They deserve the pick of the litter, it's the least we can do for them.

FOH.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Frank shooting 38% from 3 with any kind of volume would be an all star. He would blow out Lee's career because he can run the point.

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I legit don't think they want him to run the offense. He's just not quick and assertive enough, plus with DSJ here its either DSJ at the majority of point, or they find someone better. Frank's best chance to stick is at SG in a rotation next to Dotson. I mean he's grown to 6'7. He's perfect SG size.

Other than the fact he's tentative about driving - which I personally think is trying to hard to play mistake free basketball - if the Knicks are going to go "positionless" and have the offense initiated from multiple positions, then why not have Frank see some time at "PG", but round out his minutes backing up 2 and 3 as well, where he gets 20 mpg, but around 10 are well and truly at the point, to the extent it matters with guys like RJ, Trier, DSJr, Mario (Buzztrodamus says he's coming back), even Knox.

He's certainly trying too hard to play mistake-free basketball. Why? Because every **** time he makes the tiniest mistake Hornacek and Fizdale have pulled him and/or CD-DNP'ed him (in the latter's case). The leash-difference is bizarre.

And then there's the whole mysterious/crazy thing where Jo Noah & the FO ended up in melt down mode because Jo was slamming Frank on court (in French iirc) for missing one single play on D (which Frank had actually done in this instance - albeit that that's rare).

Frank should be getting minutes where he's guarding the other teams primary ball handler*. How many minutes a game total? Let's say 30. Maybe more if the other team relies on the primary ball-handler. Imo, he should be running the offense most of that time.

Of course, if Kyrie is a Knick the latter changes.

* Obviously he guards Harden not CP3 etc. One works out where to focus one's foremost defensive weapon on a case by case basis relative to the other teams most creative/threatening weapon. Can he guard Giannis? Meh .. probably not, but it's not impossible. (& in any case Mitch can just play 1-on-1 on Giannis.)

[remi_222]

You're gonna be ok Kid. We got some Knicks fans firmly behind you and are hoping your next leap is right around the corner.

THATS WHAT I WANNA SEE !!!! you know how to warm my frenchie heart

[remi_222]

I legit don't think they want him to run the offense. He's just not quick and assertive enough, plus with DSJ here its either DSJ at the majority of point, or they find someone better. Frank's best chance to stick is at SG in a rotation next to Dotson. I mean he's grown to 6'7. He's perfect SG size.

Other than the fact he's tentative about driving - which I personally think is trying to hard to play mistake free basketball - if the Knicks are going to go "positionless" and have the offense initiated from multiple positions, then why not have Frank see some time at "PG", but round out his minutes backing up 2 and 3 as well, where he gets 20 mpg, but around 10 are well and truly at the point, to the extent it matters with guys like RJ, Trier, DSJr, Mario (Buzztrodamus says he's coming back), even Knox.

He's certainly trying too hard to play mistake-free basketball. Why? Because every **** time he makes the tiniest mistake Hornacek and Fizdale have pulled him and/or CD-DNP'ed him (in the latter's case). The leash-difference is bizarre.

And then there's the whole mysterious/crazy thing where Jo Noah & the FO ended up in melt down mode because Jo was slamming Frank on court (in French iirc) for missing one single play on D (which Frank had actually done in this instance - albeit that that's rare).

Frank should be getting minutes where he's guarding the other teams primary ball handler*. How many minutes a game total? Let's say 30. Maybe more if the other team relies on the primary ball-handler. Imo, he should be running the offense most of that time.

Of course, if Kyrie is a Knick the latter changes.

* Obviously he guards Harden not CP3 etc. One works out where to focus one's foremost defensive weapon on a case by case basis relative to the other teams most creative/threatening weapon. Can he guard Giannis? Meh .. probably not, but it's not impossible. (& in any case Mitch can just play 1-on-1 on Giannis.)

if he wants to have 30min he need to get away from these stupid fouls ! But with the experience of the last 2yrs i guess now he knoes how to manage his time and his rythm !
Always a matter of rythm and adaptation ! NYC will be rewarded if they remain patient !!

[taj2133]

If the lakers can't get a point guard send frank over there in LA with lebron and ad.

That's a great, great idea. Why stop with only one of our lottery picks?

Let's give them all our kids. I mean it's Lebron AND AD, right? They deserve the pick of the litter, it's the least we can do for them.

FOH.

Frank is a bust and it has worked out here with the knicks. Do you think frank is going to get playing time with the knicks with dsj, trier, dotson, wilkes, iggy, rj barret, knox, and kadeem allan.

[remi_222]

If the lakers can't get a point guard send frank over there in LA with lebron and ad.

That's a great, great idea. Why stop with only one of our lottery picks?

Let's give them all our kids. I mean it's Lebron AND AD, right? They deserve the pick of the litter, it's the least we can do for them.

FOH.

Frank is a bust and it has worked out here with the knicks. Do you think frank is going to get playing time with the knicks with dsj, trier, dotson, wilkes, iggy, rj barret, knox, and kadeem allan.

YES 10 TIMES !

First word : Defense
Second word : patience

We're all repeating all along this thread the same questions and the same answer !

[blanko]

If the lakers can't get a point guard send frank over there in LA with lebron and ad.

That's a great, great idea. Why stop with only one of our lottery picks?

Let's give them all our kids. I mean it's Lebron AND AD, right? They deserve the pick of the litter, it's the least we can do for them.

FOH.

Frank is a bust and it has worked out here with the knicks. Do you think frank is going to get playing time with the knicks with dsj, trier, dotson, wilkes, iggy, rj barret, knox, and kadeem allan.

Weirdly yes, because how many guys from that list actually play defense? Thats the thing with frank, the more offense minded players he has around him, the more valuable he gets.

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[robillionaire]

Turns out we can't even get a late 2nd round pick for him, he has negative value. He might be out of chances in NY. I expect the Knicks to announce they aren't picking up his 4th year option very early next season and play him very sparingly all year so he doesn't take minutes from players the Knicks still see as part of the future, and he will become a free agent next summer. But I think some team might take a shot on him as a 1 year deal reclamation project for 2020-2021 and give him one more shot to make it in the league. I still think the Knicks should kick the tires on him in year 3 and give it one more try but I don't expect it