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Post#1041 » by Luigi » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:07 am

KqWIN wrote:
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KqWIN wrote:I don't buy into the Harris thing...but I have a hard time believing that the Jazz did not have plans already to address the roster. Right now, the Jazz only have 6 reliable players on the entire roster with just the room exception to address it.


Too good to be true on Harris? Any particular reason?


There's a chance he's interested...but the financial feasibility makes me think it's very unlikely. The scenarios exist, but they require cooperation with other parties and eating Exum's contract. Seems unlikely.

I'm also sticking to my initial intuition that the Conley deal was a sign that the Jazz knew that they weren't going to get Harris, Russell, or any other max free agent. Perhaps I have a bit a paranoia, but with all the tampering going on I think most max players already know where they're going.


Yeah, that's how I took the Conley deal, too. It may be wishful thinking on my part, but now I am imagining Tony Jones gets home to hear about a dinner Jazz brass just had with Tobias, and the addition of Conley makes us more attractive than we realized.

My hope is that Harris would take a cut to come here. I think we can move Exum. That will get us to 4/119.4 if we nuke everything else an see what we can bring back for rmle and mins. That's 27 off of his full max.... But if we give him a team option, maybe that would do it? That's my hope anyway. Especially after looking at 76er cap, they're going to have to make decisions.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1042 » by Luigi » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:09 am

KqWIN wrote:Here's the Tobias trade boys:

UTA OUT: Exum+Favors
UTA IN: Tobias Harris

NOP OUT: Draft Capital
NOP IN: Derrick Favors

PHI OUT: Tobias Harris
PHI IN: Exum

Alternatively, Exum could go to NOP.

Tobias would have to tell Philly that he is not signing there under any circumstances and has a backup plan. NOP would have to pay enough draft capital for Favors for it to be worth it for PHI to take Exum.


I wonder if Philly would do it. We tell them that Exum is kinda like Fulz, but healthier.
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Post#1043 » by Rauxcee » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:13 am

I do have to agree that the FO knew they weren't getting anyone of note in FA, and that's why they didn't bother with FA. At least that's what you hope as a fan, otherwise it reeks of incompetence. Of course trading 5 FRP in 3 years for continued PG rentals doesn't help with that image....

However, for my peace of mind, I still wish they would have given FA a go. It would have been nice to see them try, even if I knew nothing was coming of it. Now I have to hear supposed reports of players who were interested and we can't afford. It sucks. It's not like very much would have changed in the trade by waiting- other than Memphis being able to trade the 23rd pick on draft day. Would that really have been the deal breaker though?

I'm really struggling with the price we paid for Conley, and hearing we could have supposedly had Harris without giving up FRP's pisses me off.

But there is no way the Jazz are the only team in the league following rules and not tampering. They knew who wasn't coming. And I'm going to keep telling myself that until I feel better.
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Post#1044 » by Rauxcee » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:16 am

Luigi wrote:
I wonder if Philly would do it. We tell them that Exum is kinda like Fulz, but healthier.


And he can make free throws! :lol:
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Post#1045 » by Luigi » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:17 am

We still have some time. I believe! Bring us Harris!
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Post#1046 » by KqWIN » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:22 am

Guys, I've think I've figured it out! Not sure I've ever been more proud about a fake trade. Check out option one, I think it is most realistic. NOP gets Favors+Exum for free, PHI gets a huge TPE from Tobias. It's worth it to them if Tobias he will not sign in PHI under any circumstances. I believe.

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Post#1047 » by AingesBurner » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:25 am

I remember a sports writer saying that the Jazz has a better chance at Tobias if we had Conley.
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Post#1048 » by KqWIN » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:40 am

FYI: This could be done different teams with the same concept. NOP was just the first team that came to mind.

Teams Potentially interested in Favors with space:
NOP
BOS
SAC
LAL
DAL
BKN
NYK

There are lots of teams that could take Exum into space.

This trade is financially feasible from UTA's side.

Favors - $17,650,000
Exum - $9,600,000

Combined = $27,250,000 * 125% = $34,062,500

There's a slight chance our FO are actually made up of Salary Cap gods and pull this off. I'm drinking the kool-aide now!
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Post#1049 » by AingesBurner » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:41 am

Utah In: Harris, protected Philly 1st, and NOP 2nd

Philly in: Ingles

NO in: Favs

Indi In: Exum

Utah gets Harris and cap for bench

Indi gets a PG

NO gets a vet big

Philly gets a Tobias replacement
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Post#1050 » by AingesBurner » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:43 am

KqWIN wrote:FYI: This could be done different teams with the same concept. NOP was just the first team that came to mind.

Teams Potentially interested in Favors with space:
NOP
BOS
SAC
LAL
DAL
BKN
NYK

There are lots of teams that could take Exum into space.

This trade is financially feasible from UTA's side.

Favors - $17,650,000
Exum - $9,600,000

Combined = $27,250,000 * 125% = $34,062,500

There's a slight chance our FO are actually made up of Salary Cap gods and pull this off. I'm drinking the kool-aide now!


This is legal?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1051 » by KqWIN » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:43 am

GobertReport wrote:
KqWIN wrote:FYI: This could be done different teams with the same concept. NOP was just the first team that came to mind.

Teams Potentially interested in Favors with space:
NOP
BOS
SAC
LAL
DAL
BKN
NYK

There are lots of teams that could take Exum into space.

This trade is financially feasible from UTA's side.

Favors - $17,650,000
Exum - $9,600,000

Combined = $27,250,000 * 125% = $34,062,500

There's a slight chance our FO are actually made up of Salary Cap gods and pull this off. I'm drinking the kool-aide now!


This is legal?


Exum+Favors is enough. Ingles does not need to be included for money reasons.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1052 » by AingesBurner » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:48 am

KqWIN wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
KqWIN wrote:FYI: This could be done different teams with the same concept. NOP was just the first team that came to mind.

Teams Potentially interested in Favors with space:
NOP
BOS
SAC
LAL
DAL
BKN
NYK

There are lots of teams that could take Exum into space.

This trade is financially feasible from UTA's side.

Favors - $17,650,000
Exum - $9,600,000

Combined = $27,250,000 * 125% = $34,062,500

There's a slight chance our FO are actually made up of Salary Cap gods and pull this off. I'm drinking the kool-aide now!


This is legal?


Exum+Favors is enough. Ingles does not need to be included for money reasons.


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Post#1053 » by Tom349 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:51 am

GobertReport wrote:Utah In: Harris, protected Philly 1st, and NOP 2nd

Philly in: Ingles

NO in: Favs

Indi In: Exum

Utah gets Harris and cap for bench

Indi gets a PG

NO gets a vet big

Philly gets a Tobias replacement


Ingles isn't up for trade especially for a lateral move in Harris. The idea is to improve the team, not rob Peter so you can pay Paul.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1054 » by Calhamid94 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:12 am

We need ingles. He’s one of the main reasons our bench and roster was deep. He can handle the ball, get assists and shoot 3’s. We are not getting rid of ingles, I also wouldn’t want to either!
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Post#1055 » by KqWIN » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:36 am

Forget everything I just said. The TPE counts against the cap. This is a no go.
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Post#1056 » by stitches » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:40 am

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stitches wrote:This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.


Can you trade the same pick with different precautions? Like Memphis gets the pick in the 16+ range, Team X gets it in the 10-15 range??

No because they are all tied up with protections. For example - 2020 and 2021 the pick is reverse 8-14 protected. This means that if you put the protection for 2020 pick for dumping Exum as reverse 15-30 protected, this means you cannot give up the pick the following year(2021) to MEM(8-14) - something they've got negotiated in their trade. It fundamentally changes the nature of the pick MEM is getting if you give the other side of the protection to another team.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1057 » by Wolverine » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:34 am

Exum & Simmons would love to play together
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1058 » by Calhamid94 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:22 am

Let’s just trade Exum, waive Neto and waive Niang. Try and go for Portis as our back up 4, he can start and end games with his shooting. Favors will come off the bench and still get a good chunk of minutes with the second unit. With the remaining money, we sign a vet pg for cheap. Someone like Patrick Beverly or Satoranski maybe even Payton. Then we should all get on our knees and pray we struck gold in the draft, and 1 or 2 of our new players will have a solid roll with the Utah Jazz :)
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Post#1059 » by Luigi » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:08 am

Calhamid94 wrote:Let’s just trade Exum, waive Neto and waive Niang. Try and go for Portis as our back up 4, he can start and end games with his shooting. Favors will come off the bench and still get a good chunk of minutes with the second unit. With the remaining money, we sign a vet pg for cheap. Someone like Patrick Beverly or Satoranski maybe even Payton. Then we should all get on our knees and pray we struck gold in the draft, and 1 or 2 of our new players will have a solid roll with the Utah Jazz :)


If we can trade Exum without taking on salary, I think we gotta just waive everyone and sign Harris. That is, if Harris will come.
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Post#1060 » by stitches » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:40 am

I want someone who knows the CBA to tell me what happens if we do this:

1. absorb Conley into capspace but we are close to our salary cap
2. trade Favors for Gallinari which gets us above the salary cap

Does that make us a full MLE team? Or do we still only have the room MLE?

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