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Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future?

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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#21 » by thesack12 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:28 am

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thesack12 wrote:The 3 guys with the most important positions in this franchise all are desperate to some degree.

Dwane Casey is 62 years old. Detroit is most likely his last rodeo, at least being the HC anyways. It also doesn't help his pride or his leaguewide reputation that Toronto achieved the ultimate goal immediately after firing him.

Ed Stefanski is 65 years old. He's never had any notable team success as an executive. The last 2 jobs he held were demotions from his previous position. If you would give him a shot of truth serum, he would probably say he was surprised that he got another chance himself. The guy hired himself. This is definitely his last shot of beinf the head of a front office.

Tom Gores has already proven he's always desperate to make playoffs. He's happy just to say Detroit Pistons were a playoff team amd get those 2 extra box office gate revenues. Detroit hasn't won a single playoff game while on his watch. Tom is desperate to change that.

I'd be more than happy to be wrong about this statement, but I honestly believe orchestrating a true rebuild is about the last thing this current regime is interested in.


Sekou is an anomaly to that trend though. He’s unlikely to be a big contributor/starter while the current core is intact.

Snell allowed us to add a rotation player to replace the role Ellington/Bullock had last year at the cost of only 2 million in terms of this years LT flexibility, allowing us to resign or replace Ish with MLE money while remaining under the LT. Whether you agree with that philosophy of resource management or not, it appears to be the choice that was made and gave them the best shot at keeping the rotation competitive with the restraints we have.

We’re still striving to put the best group around that core. We will continue to do so as long as they are under contract.

It’s clear they see Sekou as a top 6 talent and felt the value was too good to pass, so they deviated a bit. I’m glad they did, but I wouldn’t read too much into it. We’ll likely continue the same next year, just (hopefully!) without Reggie.

2 years from now when Dre’s deal is up is when it gets particularly interesting.


Yeah, other than drafting Sekou all signs do seem to point to them not wanting to tear it down. However, for all we know the Sekou pick could have been made with an eye to use him as valuable trade bait in exchange for win now upgrades.

There is a chance that Dre opts out next summer, but its unlikely. The market projects to be tighter, and Andre seems to kind of like it in Detroit.
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#22 » by dVs33 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:56 am

I don't see us rebuilding despite the pick.
It would be nice, but gores has made it pretty clear he wants to win asap. My only hope is that the young guys we do have are given a chance to develop and we don't sell them off for win now vets.

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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#23 » by Spider156 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:15 am

MotownMadness wrote:Always possible he’s more ready then everyone’s thinking too. I remember Drummond was in the same boat where people were saying he wouldn’t be ready for like 4 years and he was also the youngest player in the draft but then he came out the gate highly impactful and started being looked at as a franchise guy.

I don’t expect that cause Dre was more less so impactful being a freak that athletic at that type of size but you never know.

I still believe in him at age 25. He's still got time to figure it out and he knows he's got the athletic size advantage. I've seen him dominate at least 5-10 times last season. What if he does it 10-20 times next season? Then what happens to his image? What if he does it by the All Star break? We can cash him out like Davis. I mean teams are so desperate by the deadline it'd ridiculous who they'd take for a taste and we could just fleece them.
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#24 » by El Chivo » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:16 am

I'd call it a shy reetoling.
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#25 » by Pharaoh » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:29 pm

I think the retooling started the minute SVG was fired.

We've been active going after the people we wanted and all of them are on team friendly cheap deals

GR3 might have failed but the perimeter guys are all in a similar situation. If one or 2 pop this coming season it could be significant.

I see people unhappy about the Snell addition and draft pick fiasco; in the end it's better than having Jon boy here so IDGAF.

This franchise is what it is. Interesting only some of the time.

With the draft over I'll head back to my cave

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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#26 » by JohnReese » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:28 pm

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JohnReese wrote:I cannot be happier for passing on all the SFraudulent players this draft had.

I liked the Snell movement a lot.

People thinking of cap space for 2020 do not realoze that Detroit is a small marker and draft and trades are our best option.


You don't seem to realize that signing free agents isn't the only option for utilizing cap space.


The other option is to absorb contracts in exchange of picks, which is actually what we did. Your comment makes zero sense.
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#27 » by thesack12 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:52 pm

JohnReese wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
JohnReese wrote:I cannot be happier for passing on all the SFraudulent players this draft had.

I liked the Snell movement a lot.

People thinking of cap space for 2020 do not realoze that Detroit is a small marker and draft and trades are our best option.


You don't seem to realize that signing free agents isn't the only option for utilizing cap space.


The other option is to absorb contracts in exchange of picks, which is actually what we did. Your comment makes zero sense.


Except they didn't "absorb" a contract. They traded a contract for a longer term contract.

"Absorbing" a contract requires having cap space or a trade exception so they don't have to send any salary in return. Being able to "absorb" a contract holds a lot more value than sending out an expiring contract.
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#28 » by JohnReese » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 pm

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JohnReese wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
You don't seem to realize that signing free agents isn't the only option for utilizing cap space.


The other option is to absorb contracts in exchange of picks, which is actually what we did. Your comment makes zero sense.


Except they didn't "absorb" a contract. They traded a contract for a longer term contract.

"Absorbing" a contract requires having cap space or a trade exception so they don't have to send any salary in return. Being able to "absorb" a contract holds a lot more value than sending out an expiring contract.


Your point is that if you send a 1 milion contract and you receive one of 20 milions you do not absorb a contract, right?
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#29 » by Snakebites » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:16 pm

JohnReese wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
JohnReese wrote:
The other option is to absorb contracts in exchange of picks, which is actually what we did. Your comment makes zero sense.


Except they didn't "absorb" a contract. They traded a contract for a longer term contract.

"Absorbing" a contract requires having cap space or a trade exception so they don't have to send any salary in return. Being able to "absorb" a contract holds a lot more value than sending out an expiring contract.


Your point is that if you send a 1 milion contract and you receive one of 20 milions you do not absorb a contract, right?
LOL

Is that what we did?

What is your point exactly?
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#30 » by JohnReese » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:54 am

Snakebites wrote:
JohnReese wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
Except they didn't "absorb" a contract. They traded a contract for a longer term contract.

"Absorbing" a contract requires having cap space or a trade exception so they don't have to send any salary in return. Being able to "absorb" a contract holds a lot more value than sending out an expiring contract.


Your point is that if you send a 1 milion contract and you receive one of 20 milions you do not absorb a contract, right?
LOL

Is that what we did?

What is your point exactly?


We absorbed a bigger and longer contract which at the same time fills a need in exchange of the 30th pick.

My point is that there is no good player (Top50) who wants to sign with us, so losing some flexibility is not gonna hurt us. What hurts us is signing huge contracts to mediocre players, like Reggie or Josh Smith, because we are not able to attract the good ones.
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Re: Was the 2019 draft really a rebuild for the future? 

Post#31 » by thesack12 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:21 pm

JohnReese wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
JohnReese wrote:
Your point is that if you send a 1 milion contract and you receive one of 20 milions you do not absorb a contract, right?
LOL

Is that what we did?

What is your point exactly?


We absorbed a bigger and longer contract which at the same time fills a need in exchange of the 30th pick.

My point is that there is no good player (Top50) who wants to sign with us, so losing some flexibility is not gonna hurt us. What hurts us is signing huge contracts to mediocre players, like Reggie or Josh Smith, because we are not able to attract the good ones.


Detroit took on longer term money, which happens for one team or the other in the vast majority of trades that occurs in the NBA.

Indiana "absorbed" a contract via their cap space when they acquired TJ Warren + #32 without sending out any salary.

Warren is an immensely better player Snell is and on a very reasonable contract. It could be argued that #32 is more valuable than #30 in any draft, especially considering Detroit traded away #30 is what is certainly appearing to be a penny pinching move.

I'm not saying that Detroit could have gotten Warren, they didn't have cap space in order to do so. The point is having the ability to "absorb" a contract will ALWAYS hold more value than sending out expiring contracts to the other team. Detroit would of had the ability to pursue those options next summer, but getting Snell (and any other FA they decide to sign to more than a 1 year contract this summer) decreases the amount of raw cap space they can offer.

Its a classic case of short sightedness. Seeking a current marginal gain, while sacrificing future assets.

Bottom line:

A crap roster with cap space >>>>> a crap roster that is capped out.

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