2019 NBA Draft

[mjkvol]

I hope people realize bitching about bitching is still bitching.

That's probably my biggest message board pet peeve. After a draft when people don't like the picks "OH YOU KNOW BETTER THAN PROFESSIONAL GMS, HUH???"

Totally agree. What the hell is a forum like this about if it isn't sharing our opinions and debating them? And that's all they are, regardless how much knowledge anyone here might have and how much research they put into it.

[smittybanton]

The Bucks didn’t get any players in the draft but it was for lack of trying, Velazquez reports in another tweet. The Bucks made calls on every second-round pick but didn’t want to give up future picks and discovered that it’s much tougher to simply buy picks now.

Will mean nothing to others, but to me it confirms that Elton targeted Thybulle and Shayock as the two "old" players he feels can contribute immediately. Otherwise he could've sold #54 too. 23 years old Shayock was apparently a must have, who they knew would fortunately be there much later, similar to shake last year I don't believe for a minute that Little or Johnson was a consideration. It was going to be Thybulle and Shayock from the giddyup.

I know most fans do not want to accept that maximizing operating income is a gms job as much as it is to win--they are fairly concentric circles but not completely. And that this is especially true for a mid-market team. But i'm certain other general managers around the league are wildly impressed with what Elton Brand did with each pick on Thursday night.

As badly as I wanted Daniel Gafford--a lot but not as much as mitchell robinson last year--I have to concede that his inability to shoot does not mesh with what Brett wants to do, and that a roster spot has to be reserved for someone who does.

I also think its funny how Howie Roseman was also criticized this year for "spending too much" to move up in the first round, and then how he disrespected the late round picks, and continues to do so by disregarding the 4th round comp pick we could get if we cut andrew sendejo. Clearly he's not serious about winning sicne he doesnt understand the "margins". LMAO. In my 50 years, Philly has had so many terrible gms, I'm so glad to have Howie and Elton.

Countdown to free agency!

Thomas Bryant Jr. Please and thank you....

[Negrodamus]

I am not expecting Thybulle to come in and be a lock down, man to man glove.....I think he is going to be a pesky, ball hawk that will make plays with his activity level (deflections,blocks,steals) in a Robert Covington type of way.

I'm not expecting anything from Thybulle any time soon, if ever. I'm expecting Redick and Butler to give that annoyed face when one of the young guys completely blow their assignment or commit a stupid foul in the bonus.

[mjkvol]

I'm willing to give Brand the benefit of the doubt on Thybulle, as he was clearly their guy from the get-go. My only problem with it was essentially broadcasting it for everyone to know and having the little weasel take advantage of that knowledge. I much prefer the Belicheck approach to media relations - tell the leeches nothing but what you want them to know, ever. I don't need to know what my teams intend on doing before it's done, period.

My only disappointments of the draft were my fellow Vol Williams going to the Celtics (how on earth am I supposed to root for him?), and the Sixers not drafting Edwards, who would have been a perfect fit on the second team here. Kid's going to be a player, and I hate to see it happen in Boston of all places.

[sixerswillrule]

I am not expecting Thybulle to come in and be a lock down, man to man glove.....I think he is going to be a pesky, ball hawk that will make plays with his activity level (deflections,blocks,steals) in a Robert Covington type of way.

I'm not expecting anything from Thybulle any time soon, if ever. I'm expecting Redick and Butler to give that annoyed face when one of the young guys completely blow their assignment or commit a stupid foul in the bonus.

Redick seems to always have that annoyed face.

[Kobblehead]

Thybulle could barely score 9 ppg in the Pac-12. To me, his ceiling is to mirror James Ennis' NBA career. 6 ppg with respectable defense and a jumper that isn't terrible. Still don't view him as a rotation worthy reserve. He's too unproductive.

[Negrodamus]

The Covington of this draft was Cam Reddish.

[Negrodamus]

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This is what competency looks like. You can lump Miye Oni and Jordan Poole with these guys. They all have great shooting profiles and were the producers of offense for their team. None of them are the "role player" archetype, however could be molded into a role player, like so many role players currently in the NBA, early on in their career. Even if these guys don't hit (and the odds are some of them won't), the rational behind bringing them in is sound.

[Sixerscan]

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This is what competency looks like. You can lump Miye Oni and Jordan Poole with these guys. They all have great shooting profiles and were the producers of offense for their team. None of them are the "role player" archetype, however could be molded into a role player, like so many role players currently in the NBA, early on in their career. Even if these guys don't hit (and the odds are some of them won't), the rational behind bringing them in is sound.

Maybe they can replace Jordan Bell’s role as the young guy that looks completely overwhelmed in a playoff game

[Winejk]

Am I wrong to think Carsen Edwards = Isiah Canaan? Sure Edwards had a great game in the NCAA tourney, but look at the skillset and size and it is pretty much Isiah Canaan. And in college Canaan was a far superior 3 point shooter than Edwards. Canaan was ok on a bad tanking team, but on a playoff contender he's deep bench at best.

[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

This is what competency looks like. You can lump Miye Oni and Jordan Poole with these guys. They all have great shooting profiles and were the producers of offense for their team. None of them are the "role player" archetype, however could be molded into a role player, like so many role players currently in the NBA, early on in their career. Even if these guys don't hit (and the odds are some of them won't), the rational behind bringing them in is sound.

Maybe they can replace Jordan Bell’s role as the young guy that looks completely overwhelmed in a playoff game

Probably. Maybe the Warriors learned their lesson from drafting a guy who can only steal and block really well.

[FireMorey]

Am I wrong to think Carsen Edwards = Isiah Canaan? Sure Edwards had a great game in the NCAA tourney, but look at the skillset and size and it is pretty much Isiah Canaan. And in college Canaan was a far superior 3 point shooter than Edwards. Canaan was ok on a bad tanking team, but on a playoff contender he's deep bench at best.

Edwards is pretty much a pull up jumpshooter, but he's very good at it. He's never going to be a slasher or finisher at the rim. He might be able to weave into the paint and master a floater. I can easily see him being a bust, but it's always nice to have scoring off the bench.

They better find a good backup PG, that's all I know. Pat Bev, Hill, Collison, someone.

[stormi]

I hope people realize bitching about bitching is still bitching.

That's probably my biggest message board pet peeve. After a draft when people don't like the picks "OH YOU KNOW BETTER THAN PROFESSIONAL GMS, HUH???"

So I guess fans aren't allowed to have opinions? I mean, that's basically what people are saying. Because we aren't professional GMs we should just follow everything a team does like mindless obedient sheep, because of course they're pros, they could never screw up or anything. It's not like people didn't see the Pasecniks pick being awful coming or anything...

IMO it's just a way for fans in denial to try to live in a bubble or an echo chamber. They feel if they surround themselves with nothing but optimism that the negative can't happen, because it's a tough pill to swallow that your team may have done something bad. But it happens and you can't bury your head in the sand. You need to deal with it. Actually, if you want to get down to it, that's a fan's duty. To hold their teams accountable when they do things wrong, because who else can? You can only force change with your wallets and voices.

So even if I disagree, I always applaud someone for making their voices heard either in audio or in print. Call radio stations and criticize, go to message boards and rant, and go to games and shout. Don't let your voices be silenced, I will always support a fan's right to voice their frustrations and will be against anyone trying to silence you or tell you to shut up and to just follow along obediently.

I think many fans do. We need only go back to Collars choosing Fultz. People who watched Fultz play on our board
knew what we were getting. Those of us who listened to the analysts and commentators and looked at the mock
draft reports didn't really know.

Sounds pretentious considering we never got to see the Markelle Fultz from Washington play in our threads asides from a few summer league games

[Kobblehead]

Am I wrong to think Carsen Edwards = Isiah Canaan? Sure Edwards had a great game in the NCAA tourney, but look at the skillset and size and it is pretty much Isiah Canaan. And in college Canaan was a far superior 3 point shooter than Edwards. Canaan was ok on a bad tanking team, but on a playoff contender he's deep bench at best.

Or he could function similarly to Vanvleet. Edwards has a bit of an it factor to him.

[Negrodamus]

I'm hoping we give Kerwin Roach a look for Summer League.

Here's a great video of him taking on great scorers (in a MAN TO MAN defense) and giving them hell.

Watch on YouTube

[Negrodamus]

He also put 11th pick Cam Johnson in a bodybag:

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[Negrodamus]

I hope people realize bitching about bitching is still bitching.

That's probably my biggest message board pet peeve. After a draft when people don't like the picks "OH YOU KNOW BETTER THAN PROFESSIONAL GMS, HUH???"

So I guess fans aren't allowed to have opinions? I mean, that's basically what people are saying. Because we aren't professional GMs we should just follow everything a team does like mindless obedient sheep, because of course they're pros, they could never screw up or anything. It's not like people didn't see the Pasecniks pick being awful coming or anything...

IMO it's just a way for fans in denial to try to live in a bubble or an echo chamber. They feel if they surround themselves with nothing but optimism that the negative can't happen, because it's a tough pill to swallow that your team may have done something bad. But it happens and you can't bury your head in the sand. You need to deal with it. Actually, if you want to get down to it, that's a fan's duty. To hold their teams accountable when they do things wrong, because who else can? You can only force change with your wallets and voices.

So even if I disagree, I always applaud someone for making their voices heard either in audio or in print. Call radio stations and criticize, go to message boards and rant, and go to games and shout. Don't let your voices be silenced, I will always support a fan's right to voice their frustrations and will be against anyone trying to silence you or tell you to shut up and to just follow along obediently.

I think many fans do. We need only go back to Collars choosing Fultz. People who watched Fultz play on our board
knew what we were getting. Those of us who listened to the analysts and commentators and looked at the mock
draft reports didn't really know.

And the history of the draft, looking back 20 years, there usually one star who comes out of the second round, players
like Marc Gasol. So it's kind of really dumb not to take your swing at the fence when you get one, two or three swings.

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I agree. It's almost like GMs have their own set of values when recruiting a player and all teams/scouting departments/GMs/fans have different evaluations. So it's silly to make the argument that any of us are not capable of evaluating talent better than a GM. We've watched teams suck for decades because of terrible talent evaluation. Are they let off the hook because they became the decision maker?

[LloydFree]

Am I wrong to think Carsen Edwards = Isiah Canaan? Sure Edwards had a great game in the NCAA tourney, but look at the skillset and size and it is pretty much Isiah Canaan. And in college Canaan was a far superior 3 point shooter than Edwards. Canaan was ok on a bad tanking team, but on a playoff contender he's deep bench at best.

Not that far off, in my opinion.

[freshie2]

Just had a chance to watch the press conferences, and really struggle with the criticism. The Sixers have 5 very young players on the roster and are trying to build for a championship in free agency. Very much a different mode now than in prior years, but there wouldn’t be space for 8 developmental players on the roster. One of the second rounders may pop, but it’s not as likely as the veteran free agents they can bring in, or as likely as the young players they currently have in house.

The first pick is a very impressive kid...listening to him, he comes off as a very thoughtful, mature young man who should be a positive influence. The second rounder was impressive in his interviews as well, but I’m not sure he will be as ready to contribute now.

[hookshot199]

I hope people realize bitching about bitching is still bitching.

That's probably my biggest message board pet peeve. After a draft when people don't like the picks "OH YOU KNOW BETTER THAN PROFESSIONAL GMS, HUH???"

So I guess fans aren't allowed to have opinions? I mean, that's basically what people are saying. Because we aren't professional GMs we should just follow everything a team does like mindless obedient sheep, because of course they're pros, they could never screw up or anything. It's not like people didn't see the Pasecniks pick being awful coming or anything...

IMO it's just a way for fans in denial to try to live in a bubble or an echo chamber. They feel if they surround themselves with nothing but optimism that the negative can't happen, because it's a tough pill to swallow that your team may have done something bad. But it happens and you can't bury your head in the sand. You need to deal with it. Actually, if you want to get down to it, that's a fan's duty. To hold their teams accountable when they do things wrong, because who else can? You can only force change with your wallets and voices.

So even if I disagree, I always applaud someone for making their voices heard either in audio or in print. Call radio stations and criticize, go to message boards and rant, and go to games and shout. Don't let your voices be silenced, I will always support a fan's right to voice their frustrations and will be against anyone trying to silence you or tell you to shut up and to just follow along obediently.

I think many fans do. We need only go back to Collars choosing Fultz. People who watched Fultz play on our board
knew what we were getting. Those of us who listened to the analysts and commentators and looked at the mock
draft reports didn't really know.

Sounds pretentious considering we never got to see the Markelle Fultz from Washington play in our threads asides from a few summer league games

There are people on the forum who claim to have watched Fultz play and raised red flags. I'm not one of them.
As for incompetent front-office executives, are you seriously trying to defend Bryan Colangelo. Here's from his
wikipedia bio.

Colangelo grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, where his father served as general manager (and eventually owner) of
the Phoenix Suns. After graduating from Central High School, Colangelo attended Cornell University, where he
played as a guard for the Cornell Big Red men's basketball team. After graduating from Cornell, he moved to
New York City, where he worked in real estate.[6]


So he played high school ball in Phoenix and then played guard at Cornell. Everything else he did seems to have
been through his daddy's connections.

My gripe with Brand - who co-rookie of the year and twice an NBA all-star - is that he squandered the 34 pick.
Time will tell whether trading up for Thybulle was a good move. But not cashing in on the 34 pick, even if he
picked a developmental player or someone he might wish to stash (we still don't have a guard who can break
down the defense), simply doesn't make sense.

If he re-signs Butler, Tobias, JJ, Ennis and Scott, all of them (we'll find out soon), then it makes sense. But
if that doesn't happen, then it doesn't make sense.