Future Free Agent Thread

[AingesBurner]

If we moved Exum+Bradley and waived Favors. Here is the money Harris would lose:

4 year max w/ Philly: $21,440,939
4 year max w/anyone else: $15,032,164
5 year max w/Philly: $65,928,928

Some expensive haircuts

Didn’t KD give up a lot of money to sign with GSW?

[Luigi]

15 Million over 4 years is the one that matters.

It's a lot of money. But we could give him player options, and in the big picture, it could be worth it to him.

[KqWIN]

15 Million over 4 years is the one that matters.

It's a lot of money. But we could give him player options, and in the big picture, it could be worth it to him.

Yeah, it's not a ton. But it's just wild to think that $15M is not a ton of money At his age, a 3+1 is likely better for him financially anyways. It would allow him to hit free agency again at the age of 29 with 10+ years of experience. That's when he could really make the big bucks. It's risky, but the path to the most money.

I think the Jazz have enough to get make it happen. They can probably find a few seconds for dumping Favors into space. There's actually a decent market out there for C's. They can use that extra draft capital to get off of Exum+Bradley. I think...

[TO11]

This is what is so strange with Tony Jones' reporting lately. Apparently, Harris and Porter have strong interest in playing for the Jazz according to him. I do wonder where he gets that from and what his information is based on. One would imagine the Jazz knew that before the Conley trade, if true, and that this isn't coming out of the blue that these players have strong interest in playing for the Jazz. Something isn't right.

I do think the Jazz needed to wait until free agency started before the pulled the trigger on the Conley trade. It would have still been an option if they struck out, imho.

Perhaps the FO really wanted to trade away this year's draft pick in particular. I don't think they felt there was much promise in this draft and so wanted this draft pick to be part of the package. I am sure that the Grizzlies preferred the pick pre-draft as well.

If that was the case, the Jazz could have picked any player Memphis wanted, since they didn't care about the draft so much, and then trade him later as part of the deal after free agency started and they struck out.

Yeah...but what team is going to pick a player for another team when the deal is still being negotiated. And if the deal is set in stone then the Grizzlies put pressure on the Jazz to execute when they want to. I mean supposedly other teams were interested...I am not sure how much leverage the Jazz had, but I doubt the Grizzlies were too concerned about the Jazz cap situation.

[Luigi]

15 Million over 4 years is the one that matters.

It's a lot of money. But we could give him player options, and in the big picture, it could be worth it to him.

Yeah, it's not a ton. But it's just wild to think that $15M is not a ton of money At his age, a 3+1 is likely better for him financially anyways. It would allow him to hit free agency again at the age of 29 with 10+ years of experience. That's when he could really make the big bucks. It's risky, but the path to the most money.

I think the Jazz have enough to get make it happen. They can probably find a few seconds for dumping Favors into space. There's actually a decent market out there for C's. They can use that extra draft capital to get off of Exum+Bradley. I think...

If we did it, it would be scary to think about trying to get 6 or more roster spots out of a rmle and vet mins. Depends on how many of our guys get claimed on waivers. But if we could make it happen, it would be fun.

Am I right i thinking we'd have to nuke all non guaranteed contracts? or could we keep O'Neale or even others?

[AingesBurner]

15 Million over 4 years is the one that matters.

It's a lot of money. But we could give him player options, and in the big picture, it could be worth it to him.

Yeah, it's not a ton. But it's just wild to think that $15M is not a ton of money At his age, a 3+1 is likely better for him financially anyways. It would allow him to hit free agency again at the age of 29 with 10+ years of experience. That's when he could really make the big bucks. It's risky, but the path to the most money.

I think the Jazz have enough to get make it happen. They can probably find a few seconds for dumping Favors into space. There's actually a decent market out there for C's. They can use that extra draft capital to get off of Exum+Bradley. I think...

If we did it, it would be scary to think about trying to get 6 or more roster spots out of a rmle and vet mins. Depends on how many of our guys get claimed on waivers. But if we could make it happen, it would be fun.

Ring chasers and good Euros or Americans playing in Europe(Jaycee Carroll anyone?), find the next Joe Ingles.

[AingesBurner]

15 Million over 4 years is the one that matters.

It's a lot of money. But we could give him player options, and in the big picture, it could be worth it to him.

Yeah, it's not a ton. But it's just wild to think that $15M is not a ton of money At his age, a 3+1 is likely better for him financially anyways. It would allow him to hit free agency again at the age of 29 with 10+ years of experience. That's when he could really make the big bucks. It's risky, but the path to the most money.

I think the Jazz have enough to get make it happen. They can probably find a few seconds for dumping Favors into space. There's actually a decent market out there for C's. They can use that extra draft capital to get off of Exum+Bradley. I think...

If we did it, it would be scary to think about trying to get 6 or more roster spots out of a rmle and vet mins. Depends on how many of our guys get claimed on waivers. But if we could make it happen, it would be fun.

Am I right i thinking we'd have to nuke all non guaranteed contracts? or could we keep O'Neale or even others?

We could keep O’Neale.

[KqWIN]

15 Million over 4 years is the one that matters.

It's a lot of money. But we could give him player options, and in the big picture, it could be worth it to him.

Yeah, it's not a ton. But it's just wild to think that $15M is not a ton of money At his age, a 3+1 is likely better for him financially anyways. It would allow him to hit free agency again at the age of 29 with 10+ years of experience. That's when he could really make the big bucks. It's risky, but the path to the most money.

I think the Jazz have enough to get make it happen. They can probably find a few seconds for dumping Favors into space. There's actually a decent market out there for C's. They can use that extra draft capital to get off of Exum+Bradley. I think...

If we did it, it would be scary to think about trying to get 6 or more roster spots out of a rmle and vet mins. Depends on how many of our guys get claimed on waivers. But if we could make it happen, it would be fun.

Am I right i thinking we'd have to nuke all non guaranteed contracts? or could we keep O'Neale or even others?

Every non guaranteed that we keep is about another million (4 million over 4) Harris has to give up.

[Daddy 801]

I do have to agree that the FO knew they weren't getting anyone of note in FA, and that's why they didn't bother with FA. At least that's what you hope as a fan, otherwise it reeks of incompetence. Of course trading 5 FRP in 3 years for continued PG rentals doesn't help with that image....

This is what is so strange with Tony Jones' reporting lately. Apparently, Harris and Porter have strong interest in playing for the Jazz according to him. I do wonder where he gets that from and what his information is based on. One would imagine the Jazz knew that before the Conley trade, if true, and that this isn't coming out of the blue that these players have strong interest in playing for the Jazz. Something isn't right.

I do think the Jazz needed to wait until free agency started before the pulled the trigger on the Conley trade. It would have still been an option if they struck out, imho.

I think it’s pretty simple. The Jazz might know those guys have interest, but they weren’t a for sure thing. The Jazz also knew Phoenix or Boston might trade for Conley. They got scared of someone trading for Conley and then not getting Tobias.

It was fear or logic, depending on your point of view.

[CAE15]

Jazz value Conley and Favors more than Russell or Tobias. Being able to add a player high caliber player like Conley and retaining another good valuable player like Favors as opposed to the middling assets sent out, was a rather easy decision for the FO to make. Korver was gone, Allen struggled much of the year(though I do think he is a solid player eventually) Jae was on his last contract year and was a volume shooter. Good hustle and team defender but 32 & 33% from 3 in two years is not ideal for our stretch 4. The 23 pick turned up more value than we thought because guys falling but that's how the draft goes. And then finally the more than likely 2022 first that we sent out.

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[Winglish]

I do have to agree that the FO knew they weren't getting anyone of note in FA, and that's why they didn't bother with FA. At least that's what you hope as a fan, otherwise it reeks of incompetence. Of course trading 5 FRP in 3 years for continued PG rentals doesn't help with that image....

This is what is so strange with Tony Jones' reporting lately. Apparently, Harris and Porter have strong interest in playing for the Jazz according to him. I do wonder where he gets that from and what his information is based on. One would imagine the Jazz knew that before the Conley trade, if true, and that this isn't coming out of the blue that these players have strong interest in playing for the Jazz. Something isn't right.

I do think the Jazz needed to wait until free agency started before the pulled the trigger on the Conley trade. It would have still been an option if they struck out, imho.

David Locke said it in his podcast. Tony Jones sent it via Twitter. One would hope there is fire and not just smoke to the rumor.

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[Tom349]

Any chance Porter decides to bet on himself and take the bi annual exception or whatever it is we have with the option to opt out next season when the free agent pool is very shallow. Could be an ideal situation for him given he would be guaranteed playing time and in a functional organisation/team for the first time in his career. Here's the list of FA's (missing a couple) he would coming up against next off season.
Power Forwards

Davis Bertans (28)
Draymond Green (30)
Serge Ibaka (31)
Jon Leuer (31)
Patrick Patterson (31)
Dwight Powell (29)
Marvin Williams (34)
Centers

Aron Baynes (34)
Bismack Biyombo (28)
Montrezl Harrell (26)
John Henson (30)
Dwight Howard (35)
Alex Len (27)
Meyers Leonard (28)
Ian Mahinmi (34)
Timofey Mozgov (34)
Mason Plumlee (30)
Miles Plumlee (32)
Tristan Thompson (29)
Hassan Whiteside (31)

Half those names will be lucky to be offered a contract next season. A good year with Utah and he could set himself up very nicely. Also interesting to note that his agent is Mark Bartelstein who although the agent of Hayward is also the agent of Ingles and if memory serves me correct he has a good relationship with the Jazz despite how things played out with Hayward.

[Crunch 99]

I think we've become interesting to free agents because we have Conley.

This.↑↑↑↑ Well at least the acquisition certainly made us more interesting from a probable wins perspective and the potential to go deep in the playoffs. But Conley is a double edged sword --- he makes us more attractive as a potential winner but at the same time sucks the free cap space out of the franchise. Still, I am glad the Conley deal is already completed.

[babyjax13]

Any chance Porter decides to bet on himself and take the bi annual exception or whatever it is we have with the option to opt out next season when the free agent pool is very shallow. Could be an ideal situation for him given he would be guaranteed playing time and in a functional organisation/team for the first time in his career. Here's the list of FA's (missing a couple) he would coming up against next off season.
Power Forwards

Davis Bertans (28)
Draymond Green (30)
Serge Ibaka (31)
Jon Leuer (31)
Patrick Patterson (31)
Dwight Powell (29)
Marvin Williams (34)
Centers

Aron Baynes (34)
Bismack Biyombo (28)
Montrezl Harrell (26)
John Henson (30)
Dwight Howard (35)
Alex Len (27)
Meyers Leonard (28)
Ian Mahinmi (34)
Timofey Mozgov (34)
Mason Plumlee (30)
Miles Plumlee (32)
Tristan Thompson (29)
Hassan Whiteside (31)

Half those names will be lucky to be offered a contract next season. A good year with Utah and he could set himself up very nicely. Also interesting to note that his agent is Mark Bartelstein who although the agent of Hayward is also the agent of Ingles and if memory serves me correct he has a good relationship with the Jazz despite how things played out with Hayward.

No, no chance. Plus, we don't have the BAE to offer. He also wouldn't be competing against centers, and he is more of a small forward than a power forward (though he can play the 4).

[babyjax13]

I think we've become interesting to free agents because we have Conley.

This.↑↑↑↑ Well at least the acquisition certainly made us more interesting from a probable wins perspective and potential to go deep in the playoffs. But Conley is a double edged sword --- he makes us more attractive as a potential winner but at the same time sucks the free cap space out of the franchise. Still, I am glad the Conley deal is already completed.

The good thing is, we can still create max cap space by moving Dante and Bradley then not guaranteeing Favors (and I think Neto as well).

[Luigi]

I think we've become interesting to free agents because we have Conley.

This.↑↑↑↑ Well at least the acquisition certainly made us more interesting from a probable wins perspective and potential to go deep in the playoffs. But Conley is a double edged sword --- he makes us more attractive as a potential winner but at the same time sucks the free cap space out of the franchise. Still, I am glad the Conley deal is already completed.

The good thing is, we can still create max cap space by moving Dante and Bradley then not guaranteeing Favors (and I think Neto as well).

Yup. We could make room if we need to. Then it's a matter of a room mid level exception and a ton of vet minimums to fill out the roster. I wanna do it.

[stitches]

I think we've become interesting to free agents because we have Conley.

This.↑↑↑↑ Well at least the acquisition certainly made us more interesting from a probable wins perspective and potential to go deep in the playoffs. But Conley is a double edged sword --- he makes us more attractive as a potential winner but at the same time sucks the free cap space out of the franchise. Still, I am glad the Conley deal is already completed.

The good thing is, we can still create max cap space by moving Dante and Bradley then not guaranteeing Favors (and I think Neto as well).

Only for 25% max, not for the 30%

[babyjax13]

This.↑↑↑↑ Well at least the acquisition certainly made us more interesting from a probable wins perspective and potential to go deep in the playoffs. But Conley is a double edged sword --- he makes us more attractive as a potential winner but at the same time sucks the free cap space out of the franchise. Still, I am glad the Conley deal is already completed.

The good thing is, we can still create max cap space by moving Dante and Bradley then not guaranteeing Favors (and I think Neto as well).

Yup. We could make room if we need to. Then it's a matter of a room mid level exception and a ton of vet minimums to fill out the roster. I wanna do it.

I'm sure the Jazz do, too. It's just a matter of getting a meeting with someone that wants to sign.

[Luigi]

I'm sure the Jazz do, too. It's just a matter of getting a meeting with someone that wants to sign.

Only for 25% max, not for the 30%

So help me out. What's the order of operations here? Trades into cap space, waiving non-guaranteeds (might be worth using as assets in the trades into cap space, unless we think they won't be claimed on waivers), signing free agents usin cap space, signing rmle and vet mins.

Here's a version with a bunch of filler names in for vet mins:
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=17239899485d10ff18e6510612909756

Also, I'm not sure which year I should be using to make the trades on the capulator.

1. Traded Dante Exum and Royce O'Neale for ___
2. Traded Derrick Favors, Raul Neto, Tony Bradley, and Georges Niang for ___
3. Renounced $ 22,462,500 2019-20 cap hold for Ricky Rubio
4. Renounced $ 6,825,000 2019-20 cap hold for Thabo Sefolosha
5. Renounced $ 4,368,000 2019-20 cap hold for Ekpe Udoh
6. Signed Tobias Harris to 4yrs/$ 123,968,006 contract starting in 2019-20 using Cap Space
7. Signed Mario Hezonja to 2yrs/$ 9,758,000 contract starting in 2019-20 using Room Mid-Level Exception
8. Signed Joakim Noah to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
9. Re-signed Thabo Sefolosha to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
10. Signed Jared Dudley to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Shelvin Mack to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 8-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Is there a better way than that?

[babyjax13]

I'm sure the Jazz do, too. It's just a matter of getting a meeting with someone that wants to sign.

Only for 25% max, not for the 30%

So help me out. What's the order of operations here? Trades into cap space, waiving non-guaranteeds (might be worth using as assets in the trades into cap space, unless we think they won't be claimed on waivers), signing free agents usin cap space, signing rmle and vet mins.

Here's a version with a bunch of filler names in for vet mins:
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=17239899485d10ff18e6510612909756

Also, I'm not sure which year I should be using to make the trades on the capulator.

1. Traded Dante Exum and Royce O'Neale for ___
2. Traded Derrick Favors, Raul Neto, Tony Bradley, and Georges Niang for ___
3. Renounced $ 22,462,500 2019-20 cap hold for Ricky Rubio
4. Renounced $ 6,825,000 2019-20 cap hold for Thabo Sefolosha
5. Renounced $ 4,368,000 2019-20 cap hold for Ekpe Udoh
6. Signed Tobias Harris to 4yrs/$ 123,968,006 contract starting in 2019-20 using Cap Space
7. Signed Mario Hezonja to 2yrs/$ 9,758,000 contract starting in 2019-20 using Room Mid-Level Exception
8. Signed Joakim Noah to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
9. Re-signed Thabo Sefolosha to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
10. Signed Jared Dudley to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Shelvin Mack to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 8-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Is there a better way than that?

I'm apparently bad at math because we can't quite get a max for a 7-9 year vet. I thought he was a 6 year vet :/ I doubt he will sign for less since Philly is reportedly offering the full 5 year max. We can only open up $27,991,018.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=15406014915d11082455db1188083232Your Moves:
1. Waived Derrick Favors in 2019-20 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
2. Waived Georges Niang in 2019-20 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Waived Raul Neto in 2019-20 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
4. Renounced $ 22,462,500 2019-20 cap hold for Ricky Rubio
5. Renounced $ 6,825,000 2019-20 cap hold for Thabo Sefolosha
6. Renounced $ 4,368,000 2019-20 cap hold for Ekpe Udoh
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2019-20 cap hold for Erik McCree
8. Renounced $ 838,464 2019-20 cap hold for Nate Wolters
9. Renounced Rodney Hood TPE
10. Renounced Joe Johnson TPE
11. Traded Dante Exum and Tony Bradley for
12. Signed Tobias Harris to 2yrs/$ 57,381,587 contract starting in 2019-20 using Cap Space
13. Signed Richaun Holmes to 2yrs/$ 9,758,000 contract starting in 2019-20 using Room Mid-Level Exception
14. Signed Shelvin Mack to 2yrs/$ 3,236,972 contract starting in 2019-20 using 8-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
15. Re-signed Thabo Sefolosha to 2yrs/$ 5,251,002 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
16. Re-signed Georges Niang to 2yrs/$ 3,498,364 contract starting in 2019-20 using 3-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
17. Signed Luol Deng to 2yrs/$ 5,251,002 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
18. Signed Ian Clark to 2yrs/$ 4,306,098 contract starting in 2019-20 using 6-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
19. Signed Frank Kaminsky to 2yrs/$ 3,709,392 contract starting in 2019-20 using 4-Year Vet.

The one thing we can offer Tobias, is to sign him for a two year max, and then when he expires he'd be eligible for the larger max and we could offer a 5 year deal, then. The bench is rough and might be better served splitting the MLE between say Rodney McGruder and Anthony Tolliver.

Rudy Gobert/Richaun Holmes/Frank Kaminsky
Tobias Harris/Goerges Niang/Richaun Holmes/Loul Deng
Joe Ingles/Thabo Sefelosha/Royce O'neale
Donovan Mitchell/Royce O'neale/Ian Clark
Mike Conley/Shelvin Mack/Ian Clark