Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[Clyde_Style]

Frank understands the PnR which is still one of the most effective plays in the game

Unfortunately, Fizdale seemed uninterested in using PnR's with any consistency. It was mostly just gibberish about pace

Don't make this all out to be just about Frank.

Our coach is just as suspect or more so

[knickstape4ever]

Watch on YouTube

can we get this Frank pls? I think part of the problem with Frank is confidence; he seems way more confident/decisive when he was playing with the French U18 than he was with Strasbourg or here

[Phish Tank]

That's a great, great idea. Why stop with only one of our lottery picks?

Let's give them all our kids. I mean it's Lebron AND AD, right? They deserve the pick of the litter, it's the least we can do for them.

FOH.

Frank is a bust and it has worked out here with the knicks. Do you think frank is going to get playing time with the knicks with dsj, trier, dotson, wilkes, iggy, rj barret, knox, and kadeem allan.

YES 10 TIMES !

First word : Defense
Second word : patience

We're all repeating all along this thread the same questions and the same answer !

you're talking to a computer.

[Stannis]

Don't see the point of trading him. They were looking for a second rounder? Im guessing they are just trying to dump him and free cap space?

He's value is at an all time low. May as well keep rolling the dice. Maybe he can turn into a 3 + D guy.

Buy high, sell low, that's never been my motto

[taj2133]

No frank in vegas summer league as of right now not a good thing how is frank going to improve.
Also, Knicks fans will get a look at some familiar faces. A source close to center Mitchell Robinson confirmed on Friday evening that Robinson plans to join the team and suit up in Las Vegas next month. The source advised that he won't play in every contest, but "likely at least two games." Robinson, who went on to become the first rookie in NBA history to average over two blocks and shoot better than 65% from the field, had his coming out party last July in Vegas.

According to other league sources, Robinson is expected to be joined by both Kevin Knox and Allonzo Trier. It has apparently has not yet been determined exactly how many games Knox and Trier will play.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2019/06/22/knicks-summer-league-team-to-debut-against-zion-williamson-and-the-new-orleans-pelicans/#6a228c8126a0

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

No frank in vegas summer league as of right now not a good thing how is frank going to improve.
Also, Knicks fans will get a look at some familiar faces. A source close to center Mitchell Robinson confirmed on Friday evening that Robinson plans to join the team and suit up in Las Vegas next month. The source advised that he won't play in every contest, but "likely at least two games." Robinson, who went on to become the first rookie in NBA history to average over two blocks and shoot better than 65% from the field, had his coming out party last July in Vegas.

According to other league sources, Robinson is expected to be joined by both Kevin Knox and Allonzo Trier. It has apparently has not yet been determined exactly how many games Knox and Trier will play.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2019/06/22/knicks-summer-league-team-to-debut-against-zion-williamson-and-the-new-orleans-pelicans/#6a228c8126a0

On the contrary. That is EXCELLENT news. Summer league is abysmal. It is only useful for the likes of, eg, Trier, to establish that they are better than the other players playing for G-league places and deserve a shot at the dance. It manifestly harmed the development of every.single.one of the other Knicks players who made the squad (Frank, Dot, Mitch, KK). RJ should not be playing (ok - i'll allow him going mano a mano with Zion), Mitch should not be playing, Frank, Zo should not be playing. Brazzers ... possibly. The one year min contracts - sure - the summer league is designed for precisely them.

[knickstape4ever]

Don't see the point of trading him. They were looking for a second rounder? Im guessing they are just trying to dump him and free cap space?

He's value is at an all time low. May as well keep rolling the dice. Maybe he can turn into a 3 + D guy.

Buy high, sell low, that's never been my motto

agreed; he can become a consistently good 3PT shooter, he'd be a valuable piece; he's already a good defender. he's turning 21 in July, so he's still really young; I'd bet that his shot will improve

[robillionaire]

No frank in vegas summer league as of right now not a good thing how is frank going to improve.
Also, Knicks fans will get a look at some familiar faces. A source close to center Mitchell Robinson confirmed on Friday evening that Robinson plans to join the team and suit up in Las Vegas next month. The source advised that he won't play in every contest, but "likely at least two games." Robinson, who went on to become the first rookie in NBA history to average over two blocks and shoot better than 65% from the field, had his coming out party last July in Vegas.

According to other league sources, Robinson is expected to be joined by both Kevin Knox and Allonzo Trier. It has apparently has not yet been determined exactly how many games Knox and Trier will play.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2019/06/22/knicks-summer-league-team-to-debut-against-zion-williamson-and-the-new-orleans-pelicans/#6a228c8126a0

On the contrary. That is EXCELLENT news. Summer league is abysmal. It is only useful for the likes of, eg, Trier, to establish that they are better than the other players playing for G-league places and deserve a shot at the dance. It manifestly harmed the development of every.single.one of the other Knicks players who made the squad (Frank, Dot, Mitch, KK). RJ should not be playing (ok - i'll allow him going mano a mano with Zion), Mitch should not be playing, Frank, Zo should not be playing. Brazzers ... possibly. The one year min contracts - sure - the summer league is designed for precisely them.

have you ever watched summer league, all the top rookies usually play, zion is playing, this is customary, also very common for 2nd year players to play as well. how does playing in a couple exhibition games harm player development?

[knickstape4ever]

No frank in vegas summer league as of right now not a good thing how is frank going to improve.
Also, Knicks fans will get a look at some familiar faces. A source close to center Mitchell Robinson confirmed on Friday evening that Robinson plans to join the team and suit up in Las Vegas next month. The source advised that he won't play in every contest, but "likely at least two games." Robinson, who went on to become the first rookie in NBA history to average over two blocks and shoot better than 65% from the field, had his coming out party last July in Vegas.

According to other league sources, Robinson is expected to be joined by both Kevin Knox and Allonzo Trier. It has apparently has not yet been determined exactly how many games Knox and Trier will play.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2019/06/22/knicks-summer-league-team-to-debut-against-zion-williamson-and-the-new-orleans-pelicans/#6a228c8126a0

On the contrary. That is EXCELLENT news. Summer league is abysmal. It is only useful for the likes of, eg, Trier, to establish that they are better than the other players playing for G-league places and deserve a shot at the dance. It manifestly harmed the development of every.single.one of the other Knicks players who made the squad (Frank, Dot, Mitch, KK). RJ should not be playing (ok - i'll allow him going mano a mano with Zion), Mitch should not be playing, Frank, Zo should not be playing. Brazzers ... possibly. The one year min contracts - sure - the summer league is designed for precisely them.

how did summer league harm Frank, Dot, Mitch, KK, and potentially RJ?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

No frank in vegas summer league as of right now not a good thing how is frank going to improve.
Also, Knicks fans will get a look at some familiar faces. A source close to center Mitchell Robinson confirmed on Friday evening that Robinson plans to join the team and suit up in Las Vegas next month. The source advised that he won't play in every contest, but "likely at least two games." Robinson, who went on to become the first rookie in NBA history to average over two blocks and shoot better than 65% from the field, had his coming out party last July in Vegas.

According to other league sources, Robinson is expected to be joined by both Kevin Knox and Allonzo Trier. It has apparently has not yet been determined exactly how many games Knox and Trier will play.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2019/06/22/knicks-summer-league-team-to-debut-against-zion-williamson-and-the-new-orleans-pelicans/#6a228c8126a0

On the contrary. That is EXCELLENT news. Summer league is abysmal. It is only useful for the likes of, eg, Trier, to establish that they are better than the other players playing for G-league places and deserve a shot at the dance. It manifestly harmed the development of every.single.one of the other Knicks players who made the squad (Frank, Dot, Mitch, KK). RJ should not be playing (ok - i'll allow him going mano a mano with Zion), Mitch should not be playing, Frank, Zo should not be playing. Brazzers ... possibly. The one year min contracts - sure - the summer league is designed for precisely them.

have you ever watched summer league, all the top rookies usually play, zion is playing, this is customary, also very common for 2nd year players to play as well. how does playing in a couple exhibition games harm player development?

I've posted this before, so I'll be brief. It gives them completely illusory impressions of what they need to do.

10 fouls allowed against poor opposition. ---> Get into quick foul trouble in the big league
No one plays team defense because the only important thing is to be shiny fascinating object.
Offence - focuses on IsoZos. When you actually get in the league and teams know you burrow into the forest continually then you get December-Zo.
Black hole? No problem.

For second years: agreed those problems aren't so significant. But, it is re-setting them to play non-NBA bball. That's not what they need. 100 times better for second year players to train and/or play pick up games with real nba players than play in summer league.

Of course teams run out their picks for PR purposes. But they really really shouldn't.

Have I watched? Yes, of course, or I wouldn't have commented. It's utter crap for the most part.

[Jscratch1200]

Summer league is nice for us fans itching to watch some games, but it doesn't really do anything for players and their development.

Last summer Knox and Frank looked good, Dotson looked like crap and Robinson/ Trier were up and down if I remember correctly. That completely changed during the season.

If anything they risk getting hurt while playing guys fighting to make a team.

[robillionaire]

On the contrary. That is EXCELLENT news. Summer league is abysmal. It is only useful for the likes of, eg, Trier, to establish that they are better than the other players playing for G-league places and deserve a shot at the dance. It manifestly harmed the development of every.single.one of the other Knicks players who made the squad (Frank, Dot, Mitch, KK). RJ should not be playing (ok - i'll allow him going mano a mano with Zion), Mitch should not be playing, Frank, Zo should not be playing. Brazzers ... possibly. The one year min contracts - sure - the summer league is designed for precisely them.

have you ever watched summer league, all the top rookies usually play, zion is playing, this is customary, also very common for 2nd year players to play as well. how does playing in a couple exhibition games harm player development?

I've posted this before, so I'll be brief. It gives them completely illusory impressions of what they need to do.

10 fouls allowed against poor opposition. ---> Get into quick foul trouble in the big league
No one plays team defense because the only important thing is to be shiny fascinating object.
Offence - focuses on IsoZos. When you actually get in the league and teams know you burrow into the forest continually then you get December-Zo.
Black hole? No problem.

For second years: agreed those problems aren't so significant. But, it is re-setting them to play non-NBA bball. That's not what they need. 100 times better for second year players to train and/or play pick up games with real nba players than play in summer league.

Of course teams run out their picks for PR purposes. But they really really shouldn't.

Have I watched? Yes, of course, or I wouldn't have commented. It's utter crap for the most part.

But how do you account for the fact that the greatest modern players to ever play the game as well as the most impressive young players in the league today have all played in these summer league games and turned out just fine and did not seem to get these illusory impressions? These players should know that these exhibition games are different than the actual NBA and basically just a glorified scrimmage. I agree that the 10 foul rule should be changed though.

[robillionaire]

the only illusory impressions I can see are the ones that fans get when they overrate players based on what they do in the summer league

[Sark]

SL is good for rookies and sophomores. After that, you shouldn't do it unless you're trying to make a team.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

have you ever watched summer league, all the top rookies usually play, zion is playing, this is customary, also very common for 2nd year players to play as well. how does playing in a couple exhibition games harm player development?

I've posted this before, so I'll be brief. It gives them completely illusory impressions of what they need to do.

10 fouls allowed against poor opposition. ---> Get into quick foul trouble in the big league
No one plays team defense because the only important thing is to be shiny fascinating object.
Offence - focuses on IsoZos. When you actually get in the league and teams know you burrow into the forest continually then you get December-Zo.
Black hole? No problem.

For second years: agreed those problems aren't so significant. But, it is re-setting them to play non-NBA bball. That's not what they need. 100 times better for second year players to train and/or play pick up games with real nba players than play in summer league.

Of course teams run out their picks for PR purposes. But they really really shouldn't.

Have I watched? Yes, of course, or I wouldn't have commented. It's utter crap for the most part.

But how do you account for the fact that the greatest modern players to ever play the game as well as the most impressive young players in the league today have all played in these summer league games and turned out just fine and did not seem to get these illusory impressions? These players should know that these exhibition games are different than the actual NBA and basically just a glorified scrimmage. I agree that the 10 foul rule should be changed though.

Well, of course the best players are going to survive pretty much anything. Even Kevin Knox is going to survive. It just hinders many of the better players. Plus you have fans who don't understand that these are exhibition glorified scrimmages talking about how important it is for players to play in these games and to dominate them. That's all complete and utter vapid bull.

It's fine for Brazzers to play - and show he really deserved to be picked in the 2nd round; the non-draft signees absolutely certainly should be playing. But no one else.

[knickstape4ever]

Summer league is nice for us fans itching to watch some games, but it doesn't really do anything for players and their development.

Last summer Knox and Frank looked good, Dotson looked like crap and Robinson/ Trier were up and down if I remember correctly. That completely changed during the season.

If anything they risk getting hurt while playing guys fighting to make a team.

IMO it's good for the rookies because it acclimates them to NBA spacing sooner

[Billy Goat]

A kid with a career shooting percentage of 35% should be playing as much as possible.

[br7knicks]

Watch on YouTube

can we get this Frank pls? I think part of the problem with Frank is confidence; he seems way more confident/decisive when he was playing with the French U18 than he was with Strasbourg or here

agreed. it's his confidence. he only needs a 3 PT shot to be a solid rotational player

[br7knicks]

Summer league is nice for us fans itching to watch some games, but it doesn't really do anything for players and their development.

Last summer Knox and Frank looked good, Dotson looked like crap and Robinson/ Trier were up and down if I remember correctly. That completely changed during the season.

If anything they risk getting hurt while playing guys fighting to make a team.

IMO it's good for the rookies because it acclimates them to NBA spacing sooner

i don't think frank was ready for the speed and strength needed for the NBA. he was a deer in headlights. hopefully he'll come back with some confidence.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I've posted this before, so I'll be brief. It gives them completely illusory impressions of what they need to do.

10 fouls allowed against poor opposition. ---> Get into quick foul trouble in the big league
No one plays team defense because the only important thing is to be shiny fascinating object.
Offence - focuses on IsoZos. When you actually get in the league and teams know you burrow into the forest continually then you get December-Zo.
Black hole? No problem.

For second years: agreed those problems aren't so significant. But, it is re-setting them to play non-NBA bball. That's not what they need. 100 times better for second year players to train and/or play pick up games with real nba players than play in summer league.

Of course teams run out their picks for PR purposes. But they really really shouldn't.

Have I watched? Yes, of course, or I wouldn't have commented. It's utter crap for the most part.

But how do you account for the fact that the greatest modern players to ever play the game as well as the most impressive young players in the league today have all played in these summer league games and turned out just fine and did not seem to get these illusory impressions? These players should know that these exhibition games are different than the actual NBA and basically just a glorified scrimmage. I agree that the 10 foul rule should be changed though.

Well, of course the best players are going to survive pretty much anything. Even Kevin Knox is going to survive. It just hinders many of the better players. Plus you have fans who don't understand that these are exhibition glorified scrimmages talking about how important it is for players to play in these games and to dominate them. That's all complete and utter vapid bull.

It's fine for Brazzers to play - and show he really deserved to be picked in the 2nd round; the non-draft signees absolutely certainly should be playing. But no one else.

Citation?