Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 I: Big decisions on the horizon

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Things we don't know:

-If Atlanta has turned around their franchise.
-Managements plans to address our backcourt/entire future roster.
-How the careers of kids in their early 20's will pan out.

Things we do know:

-Our own personal opinions.
-Stars don't grow on trees.
-We are all Magic fans here.(I think?)

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The Atlanta Hawks were bad for two seasons so far this decade and they might be bad next season because they will be relying on a lot of rookies and youth. They’ve made the playoffs every season before that since 07-08 and had that amazing run in 14-15 with a 60-22 record.

“Turning around their roster” means they have drafted guys to fill out their rotation with complimentary skill sets that other FO’s know are valuable and that they can test to varying degree. Even if they aren’t successful immediately they will be one of the more exciting teams to watch in the foreseeable future. Like it or not, that’s the case. The only reason the Hawks were brought up in this thread was post-draft and the strategy of their rebuild as opposed to what the Magic have been doing.

[ezzzp]

Atlanta was ranked 28th in the NBA in defense.

Kevin Huerter has 6' 7.5 wingspan and weighs 195 lbs...for comparison, Fournier has a 6'8.25 wingspan and came into the NBA at 205lbs.

How exactly is Kevin Huerter equipped to cover up for Trae Young...a guy who last year was literally the worst defender in the NBA based on Defensive RPM, no. 514 out 514 NBA players LOL.

There is a reason they were horrific on defense.

Cam Reddish has average height/length for a SF 6' 6.5" with 7' 0.5" wingspan and 207 lbs. There is nothing particularly special about his wingspan at forward spot...that's basically most forwards now. Put it this way, Melvyn Frazier has a 7' 1.75" wingspan and Iwundu 7' 1" wingspan...and both play the wing.

How exactly are Young/Heurter/Reddish "complementary" when half the game is played on the defensive end?

[SOUL]

Atlanta has certainly stockpiled some interesting young talent (kinda like we did before we traded them away). It'll be fun to see how they gel together. Doesn't guarantee anything in the future, but I would be excited as a fan.

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Atlanta was ranked 28th in the NBA in defense.

Kevin Huerter has 6' 7.5 wingspan and weighs 195 lbs...for comparison, Fournier has a 6'8.25 wingspan and came into the NBA at 205lbs.

How exactly is Kevin Huerter equipped to cover up for Trae Young...a guy who last year was literally the worst defender in the NBA based on Defensive RPM, no. 514 out 514 NBA players LOL.

There is a reason they were horrific on defense.

Cam Reddish has average height/length for a SF 6' 6.5" with 7' 0.5" wingspan and 207 lbs. There is nothing particularly special about his wingspan at forward spot...that's basically most forwards now. Put it this way, Melvyn Frazier has a 7' 1.75" wingspan and Iwundu 7' 1" wingspan...and both play the wing.

How exactly are Young/Heurter/Reddish "complementary" when half the game is played on the defensive end?

So instead of recognizing that they moved up to take the guy they wanted- Hunter (a good defensive player/complimentary piece to their roster) , you instead list wingspans and height measurements of players with real skills that can eventually translate to an nba offense. Comedy.

[ezzzp]

Atlanta was ranked 28th in the NBA in defense.

Kevin Huerter has 6' 7.5 wingspan and weighs 195 lbs...for comparison, Fournier has a 6'8.25 wingspan and came into the NBA at 205lbs.

How exactly is Kevin Huerter equipped to cover up for Trae Young...a guy who last year was literally the worst defender in the NBA based on Defensive RPM, no. 514 out 514 NBA players LOL.

There is a reason they were horrific on defense.

Cam Reddish has average height/length for a SF 6' 6.5" with 7' 0.5" wingspan and 207 lbs. There is nothing particularly special about his wingspan at forward spot...that's basically most forwards now. Put it this way, Melvyn Frazier has a 7' 1.75" wingspan and Iwundu 7' 1" wingspan...and both play the wing.

How exactly are Young/Heurter/Reddish "complementary" when half the game is played on the defensive end?

So instead of recognizing that they moved up to take the guy they wanted- Hunter (a good defensive player/complimentary piece to their roster) , you instead list wingspans and height measurements of players with real skills that can eventually translate to an nba offense. Comedy.

What's comedy is that here you are crying again because others won't join you in your Hawks crush comparing their rebuild to the Warriors LMAO.

Its hilarious that you seriously think that the addition Hunter and Reddish is balancing their defense.

My guess is Hawks are again one of worst defenses in NBA next year...and will continue to be that until they add a DPOY tier guy (like a Draymond Green) and numerous top tier defenders like (Klay / Iguodala / Livingston etc) to augment the imbalance.

The GSW comparison is a total farce. GSW worked because (on top of multiple HOF level offensive players) they had elite defenders all throughout the roster. Hate to break it to you but Heurter isn't even a Fournier level defender, much less Klay. Collins isn't even 1/10th of Green on that end. etc etc etc.

Now that is comedy.

[The Effect]

Atlanta was ranked 28th in the NBA in defense.

Kevin Huerter has 6' 7.5 wingspan and weighs 195 lbs...for comparison, Fournier has a 6'8.25 wingspan and came into the NBA at 205lbs.

How exactly is Kevin Huerter equipped to cover up for Trae Young...a guy who last year was literally the worst defender in the NBA based on Defensive RPM, no. 514 out 514 NBA players LOL.

There is a reason they were horrific on defense.

Cam Reddish has average height/length for a SF 6' 6.5" with 7' 0.5" wingspan and 207 lbs. There is nothing particularly special about his wingspan at forward spot...that's basically most forwards now. Put it this way, Melvyn Frazier has a 7' 1.75" wingspan and Iwundu 7' 1" wingspan...and both play the wing.

How exactly are Young/Heurter/Reddish "complementary" when half the game is played on the defensive end?

SO....7.05ft wingspan and 205lbs for a SF is average?
Welp, might as well cut that sorry ass j. Isaac ad he only has a 7ft wingspan and weights 205 and his wingspan seems to be the saving grace for so many on this board when it comes to WeHams draft philosophy

BTW, our new backup PF that people are so in love with....7ft wingspan.... guess hes gonna be a **** defender too

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Atlanta was ranked 28th in the NBA in defense.

Kevin Huerter has 6' 7.5 wingspan and weighs 195 lbs...for comparison, Fournier has a 6'8.25 wingspan and came into the NBA at 205lbs.

How exactly is Kevin Huerter equipped to cover up for Trae Young...a guy who last year was literally the worst defender in the NBA based on Defensive RPM, no. 514 out 514 NBA players LOL.

There is a reason they were horrific on defense.

Cam Reddish has average height/length for a SF 6' 6.5" with 7' 0.5" wingspan and 207 lbs. There is nothing particularly special about his wingspan at forward spot...that's basically most forwards now. Put it this way, Melvyn Frazier has a 7' 1.75" wingspan and Iwundu 7' 1" wingspan...and both play the wing.

How exactly are Young/Heurter/Reddish "complementary" when half the game is played on the defensive end?

So instead of recognizing that they moved up to take the guy they wanted- Hunter (a good defensive player/complimentary piece to their roster) , you instead list wingspans and height measurements of players with real skills that can eventually translate to an nba offense. Comedy.

What's comedy is that here you are crying again because others won't join you in your Hawks crush comparing their rebuild to the Warriors LMAO.

Its hilarious that you seriously think that the addition Hunter and Reddish is balancing their defense.

My guess is Hawks are again one of worst defenses in NBA next year...and will continue to be that until they add a DPOY tier guy (like a Draymond Green) and numerous top tier defenders like (Klay / Iguodala / Livingston etc) to augment the imbalance.

The GSW comparison is a total farce. GSW worked because (on top of multiple HOF level offensive players) they had elite defenders all throughout the roster. Hate to break it to you but Heurter isn't even a Fournier level defender, much less Klay. Collins isn't even 1/10th of Green on that end. etc etc etc.

Now that is comedy.

What is your fascination with trying to disprove absolutely everything I post? . I just made a statement about how they’ve rebuilt and stated their timeline for doing so...The original point in even bringing up the Hawks is to compare timelines of a rebuild... you are the one taking the comparison literally to the Warriors.

I’m not saying “The Hawks are the Warriors”, I’m saying “The Hawks are emulating a blueprint per roster dynamics”. You just refuse to acknowledge a team choosing to rebuild through the draft because of some freak ping pong ball accident you probably had as a child. Also, love how you change the subject the minute I call you on your ****. Do yourself a favor and get back to your race car bed with Vuc sheets, go to sleep, and stay out of my replies.

[ezzzp]

SO....7.05ft wingspan and 205lbs for a SF is average?
Welp, might as well cut that sorry ass j. Isaac ad he only has a 7ft wingspan and weights 205 and his wingspan seems to be the saving grace for so many on this board when it comes to WeHams draft philosophy

BTW, our new backup PF that people are so in love with....7ft wingspan.... guess hes gonna be a **** defender too

That length is basically a prerequisite now at forward spot. But wingspan just gets you in the door, it doesn't automatically make you a good defender.

JI's length is just part of the reason he's so good on defense...its his razor sharp instincts, high individual and team defense bbIQ, excellent footwork, super-quick twitch lateral agility, plus a true desire to play that end. The instinct part in particular is one of those things a player either has or he doesn't.

Having long wingspan doesn't mean you have other tools, desire or capacity for them. Is Frazier on the same level defensively as Isaac despite having longer wingspan?

[The Effect]

JI's length is just part of the reason he's so good on defense...its his razor sharp instincts, high individual and team defense bbIQ, excellent footwork, super-quick twitch lateral agility, plus a true desire to play that end. The instinct part in particular is one of those things a player either has or he doesn't.

Jesus..........
I wonder if the insane OVERRATING of JI will ever end??
I swear it get crazier by the day.

I cant wait for the Myth of J. Isaac to become a reality, cause thw way people talk about him, hes gonna win us 10 championships by himself, hell the way people talk about him, he might find a way to win 10 championships in 1 year!

[ezzzp]

So instead of recognizing that they moved up to take the guy they wanted- Hunter (a good defensive player/complimentary piece to their roster) , you instead list wingspans and height measurements of players with real skills that can eventually translate to an nba offense. Comedy.

What's comedy is that here you are crying again because others won't join you in your Hawks crush comparing their rebuild to the Warriors LMAO.

Its hilarious that you seriously think that the addition Hunter and Reddish is balancing their defense.

My guess is Hawks are again one of worst defenses in NBA next year...and will continue to be that until they add a DPOY tier guy (like a Draymond Green) and numerous top tier defenders like (Klay / Iguodala / Livingston etc) to augment the imbalance.

The GSW comparison is a total farce. GSW worked because (on top of multiple HOF level offensive players) they had elite defenders all throughout the roster. Hate to break it to you but Heurter isn't even a Fournier level defender, much less Klay. Collins isn't even 1/10th of Green on that end. etc etc etc.

Now that is comedy.

What is your fascination with trying to disprove absolutely everything I post? Lol. I just made the statement about how they’ve rebuilt and stated their timeline for doing so...The original point in even bringing up the Hawks is to compare timelines of a rebuild... you are the one taking the comparison literally to the Warriors.

I’m not saying “The Hawks are the Warriors”, I’m saying “The Hawks are emulating a blueprint per roster dynamics”. You just refuse to acknowledge a team choosing to rebuilt through the draft because of some freak ping pong ball accident you probably had as a child. Also, love how you change the subject the minute I call you on your ****. Do yourself a favor and get back to your race car bed with Vuc sheets, go to sleep, and stay out of my replies.

You literally responded to my comment, totally unprompted. Now you are crying like a 3 year old again because I responded to your weak response. LMAO.

...and now you are backtracking from your ridiculous total joke claim that Atlanta is new GSW in the making...LMAO just stop

[The Effect]

Im starting to believe that JI is a poster on this board, thats the only way all this hype makes sense

[SOUL]

Im starting to believe that JI is a poster on this board, thats the only way all this hype makes sense

Huh? Where are people saying he's Durant? Only time I read that was from a few posters post-draft and like everybody we draft, obviously some people love to compare them to legends/hall of famers when they will never be even close.

Isaac is a really good defender for his age and will get even better in the years to come. His offense will improve, but I don't think it will be something to marvel at. If he can be an uber 3&D role player with all-defensive team type upside on defense, that is a great player to have on your team and we obviously saw how he helped us out last year.

[ezzzp]

JI's length is just part of the reason he's so good on defense...its his razor sharp instincts, high individual and team defense bbIQ, excellent footwork, super-quick twitch lateral agility, plus a true desire to play that end. The instinct part in particular is one of those things a player either has or he doesn't.

Jesus..........
I wonder if the insane OVERRATING of JI will ever end??
I swear it get crazier by the day.

I cant wait for the Myth of J. Isaac to become a reality, cause thw way people talk about him, hes gonna win us 10 championships by himself, hell the way people talk about him, he might find a way to win 10 championships in 1 year!

I've been watching NBA long enough to know an elite defender in the making when I see one. When people tried to call AG that, I was skeptical of it because of the instinct/bbIQ part and he's still only good not elite. JI on the other hand is a natural on that end with desire, instinct, bbIQ and tools necessary to reach that tier...and his body isn't even halfway to were he'll be once he starts his prime ascent. I'm pretty confident he'll get to that tier.

[basketballRob]

Atlanta was ranked 28th in the NBA in defense.

Kevin Huerter has 6' 7.5 wingspan and weighs 195 lbs...for comparison, Fournier has a 6'8.25 wingspan and came into the NBA at 205lbs.

How exactly is Kevin Huerter equipped to cover up for Trae Young...a guy who last year was literally the worst defender in the NBA based on Defensive RPM, no. 514 out 514 NBA players LOL.

There is a reason they were horrific on defense.

Cam Reddish has average height/length for a SF 6' 6.5" with 7' 0.5" wingspan and 207 lbs. There is nothing particularly special about his wingspan at forward spot...that's basically most forwards now. Put it this way, Melvyn Frazier has a 7' 1.75" wingspan and Iwundu 7' 1" wingspan...and both play the wing.

How exactly are Young/Heurter/Reddish "complementary" when half the game is played on the defensive end?

SO....7.05ft wingspan and 205lbs for a SF is average?
Welp, might as well cut that sorry ass j. Isaac ad he only has a 7ft wingspan and weights 205 and his wingspan seems to be the saving grace for so many on this board when it comes to WeHams draft philosophy

BTW, our new backup PF that people are so in love with....7ft wingspan.... guess hes gonna be a **** defender too

According to John Denton Isaac has a 7'6" wingspan now. The 7'0 wingspan measurement was during his junior year in HS and he had a growth spurt since then.

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What's comedy is that here you are crying again because others won't join you in your Hawks crush comparing their rebuild to the Warriors LMAO.

Its hilarious that you seriously think that the addition Hunter and Reddish is balancing their defense.

My guess is Hawks are again one of worst defenses in NBA next year...and will continue to be that until they add a DPOY tier guy (like a Draymond Green) and numerous top tier defenders like (Klay / Iguodala / Livingston etc) to augment the imbalance.

The GSW comparison is a total farce. GSW worked because (on top of multiple HOF level offensive players) they had elite defenders all throughout the roster. Hate to break it to you but Heurter isn't even a Fournier level defender, much less Klay. Collins isn't even 1/10th of Green on that end. etc etc etc.

Now that is comedy.

What is your fascination with trying to disprove absolutely everything I post? Lol. I just made the statement about how they’ve rebuilt and stated their timeline for doing so...The original point in even bringing up the Hawks is to compare timelines of a rebuild... you are the one taking the comparison literally to the Warriors.

I’m not saying “The Hawks are the Warriors”, I’m saying “The Hawks are emulating a blueprint per roster dynamics”. You just refuse to acknowledge a team choosing to rebuilt through the draft because of some freak ping pong ball accident you probably had as a child. Also, love how you change the subject the minute I call you on your ****. Do yourself a favor and get back to your race car bed with Vuc sheets, go to sleep, and stay out of my replies.

You literally responded to my comment, totally unprompted. Now you are crying like a 3 year old again because I responded to your weak response. LMAO.

...and now you are backtracking from your ridiculous total joke claim that Atlanta is new GSW in the making...LMAO just stop

Weak response? Where did I make the claim ATL was the new GSW? I stated they had two bad years of tanking and rebuilding their roster with the previous assistant GM of the Warriors and that they are following their blueprint, as most people recognize, with their picks.

Your response to that is some BS length/defense argument that does nothing but reaffirm that they moved up (something WeHam don’t do) in the draft to select a player that provides that missing defense - Hunter. I called you out on it and you resorted to putting words in my mouth per usual.

Meanwhile, the Magic make the playoffs for the first time in 7 years with a .512 record, off the backs of two players they’ll likely lose this offseason, and you wont/can’t acknowledge the fact that a rival organization have been able to amass assets with a true direction in way less time since their last stint of relevance.

[ezzzp]

What is your fascination with trying to disprove absolutely everything I post? Lol. I just made the statement about how they’ve rebuilt and stated their timeline for doing so...The original point in even bringing up the Hawks is to compare timelines of a rebuild... you are the one taking the comparison literally to the Warriors.

I’m not saying “The Hawks are the Warriors”, I’m saying “The Hawks are emulating a blueprint per roster dynamics”. You just refuse to acknowledge a team choosing to rebuilt through the draft because of some freak ping pong ball accident you probably had as a child. Also, love how you change the subject the minute I call you on your ****. Do yourself a favor and get back to your race car bed with Vuc sheets, go to sleep, and stay out of my replies.

You literally responded to my comment, totally unprompted. Now you are crying like a 3 year old again because I responded to your weak response. LMAO.

...and now you are backtracking from your ridiculous total joke claim that Atlanta is new GSW in the making...LMAO just stop

Weak response? Where did I make the claim ATL was the new GSW? I stated they had two bad years of tanking and rebuilding their roster with the previous assistant GM of the Warriors and that they are following their blueprint, as most people recognize from their picks. Your response to that is some BS length/defense argument that does nothing but reaffirm that they moved up (something WeHam don’t do) in the draft to select a player that provides that defense. I called you out on it and you resorted to putting words in my mouth per usual.

Wow..lmao you make this up...just go read through your own comments and stop wasting everyone's time. You can't call me out, you are too busy backpedalling and wiping tears from your eyes because I put Trae Young/Atlanta D facts in front of you. The PG hole on defense didn't get fixed with those additions...my guess is Hawks will likely be a bottom 1/3 of NBA team on that end...again.

[NavalAviator94]

Atlanta has certainly stockpiled some interesting young talent (kinda like we did before we traded them away). It'll be fun to see how they gel together. Doesn't guarantee anything in the future, but I would be excited as a fan.

That’s the most logical way to look at Atlanta.


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[jayrehme]

Atlanta has certainly stockpiled some interesting young talent (kinda like we did before we traded them away). It'll be fun to see how they gel together. Doesn't guarantee anything in the future, but I would be excited as a fan.

That’s the most logical way to look at Atlanta.


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The next Phoenix Suns (a 19-63 team).. remember how good mikal bridges and josh jackson were supposed to be?

[SOUL]

Atlanta has certainly stockpiled some interesting young talent (kinda like we did before we traded them away). It'll be fun to see how they gel together. Doesn't guarantee anything in the future, but I would be excited as a fan.

That’s the most logical way to look at Atlanta.


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The next Phoenix Suns (a 19-63 team).. remember how good mikal bridges and josh jackson were supposed to be?

Mikal has a decent rookie year. Probably talking about Bender.

Trae and Collins are already better than they ever will be IMO. We'll see if it translates into team success.