Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Arsenal]

It’s not Tobias and Jimmy that have issues with each other. They have a similar “problem”

Is Elton prepared to trade “the problem”?

Not right now. He needs to sell those two on the “problem” improving.

Are you referring to Ben Simmons? What is the problem, that he won't shoot the ball? That he handles too much and won't play off the ball?

[XtremeDunkz]

lol color me shocked that smart players realize when another player is actively hurting their game. Simmons just keeps on giving.

[the_process]

Is Elton prepared to trade “the problem”?

Not right now. He needs to sell those two on the “problem” improving.

Either way, it's going to be hard to get fair value for the "problem."

Because it’s hard to salary match and the Sixers don’t have any filler. If they get the best individual player they can that fits and a King/Pelinka draft pick package, that will suffice. Then just look for a more traditional player to fill the open role.

[VDT]

To be honest i wouldn't be surprised if Simmons asks for a trade himself.

All the years he is here he has never shown any real willingness to shoot or learn to shoot the ball, and i doubt that he wants to play for a team that wants him to shoot the ball and be judged by how good he is at it. It is not his game and not in his interests basketball and money wise to play for such a team, the same would be true for Giannis for example.

[Kobblehead]

Once Devin Booker requests a trade in a couple years, we can move the problem for him in a swap. Since our front office will probably give him a max extension this summer. Phoenix is still close enough to Klutch's new headquarters.

[sixers hoops]

You don't think Harris would take $170/5 yrs? His next best offer is $140/4.

JJ signed at $9 mil/yr is more than fair after what he's already received from us. What do you think his market value is?

DLO I agree we'd have to sign to a max. Even if we did, that's only $2-3 mil off what's in that capulator for his 2019-20 salary.

Scott taking $2 mil is an easy yes for him. Jeff Green and Brook Lopez both took vet mins last year and are superior players.

Aminu at $8 mil is just an example. If we can't afford him, then go for someone cheaper like Demarre Caroll, Ariza, Vonleh, etc.

The point is we would still have space to build a roster around Ben/Embiid/DLO/Harris. I know you get off on taking your job too seriously and critiquing every post related to the cap but maybe you could take a less literal/rigid approach when reading possible scenarios?

What job do I take too seriously? You posted your opinion, I responded that I thought it was unrealistic. Get over yourself or learn to take feedback to your proposals.

Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself by not thinking your "feedback" or opinions are most realistic than everyone else's?

I don’t think he is doing any “job.” Telling someone that their trades are unrealistic isn’t a moderator’s job. It’s just posting on the forum. Just because I am a mod, I am not nearly as knowledgeable about the CBA as when I was 20, so I am not nearly as active evaluating trades.

Bully is very into the salary cap, so he gets easily frustrated when he believes people just completely ignore it. In a way, him being so critical is a good meter to determine if you’re trade is realistic.

[XtremeDunkz]

To be honest i wouldn't be surprised if Simmons asks for a trade himself.

All the years he is here he has never shown any real willingness to shoot or learn to shoot the ball, and i doubt that he wants to play for a team that wants him to shoot the ball and be judged by how good he is at it. It is not his game and not in his interests basketball and money wise to play for such a team, the same would be true for Giannis for example.

Giannis shoots.

[Benfitnyc]

To be honest i wouldn't be surprised if Simmons asks for a trade himself.

All the years he is here he has never shown any real willingness to shoot or learn to shoot the ball, and i doubt that he wants to play for a team that wants him to shoot the ball and be judged by how good he is at it. It is not his game and not in his interests basketball and money wise to play for such a team, the same would be true for Giannis for example.

Giannis shoots.

[eyeatoma]

It’s not Tobias and Jimmy that have issues with each other. They have a similar “problem”

Ben Simmons or Brett Brown lol.

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[cool93]

Players don't like that they have to play 4 on 5 on offence EVERY possession. SHOCKING. If Ben still don't take jumpers this season, I think we need to get rid of him asap. For any price available.

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[eyeatoma]

Is Elton prepared to trade “the problem”?

Not right now. He needs to sell those two on the “problem” improving.

Either way, it's going to be hard to get fair value for the "problem."

Actually it's really not. Could have traded him for AD. Or Bradley Beal, Lillard kawhi or Booker.

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[VDT]

To be honest i wouldn't be surprised if Simmons asks for a trade himself.

All the years he is here he has never shown any real willingness to shoot or learn to shoot the ball, and i doubt that he wants to play for a team that wants him to shoot the ball and be judged by how good he is at it. It is not his game and not in his interests basketball and money wise to play for such a team, the same would be true for Giannis for example.

Giannis shoots.

It doesnt matter. The important thing is that Giannis has the team build around him, to cover his weaknesses and allow him to play to his strengths. Of course being a better shooter would help but its a different situation to Simmons who cannot play to his strengths but he is expected to address his biggest weakness in order to accommodate the other players on the team. I think even Simmons thinks that it is very hard for him to become a good shooter (and even then it will take years) which is why he has never promised anything or make a commitment to that.

And truth be told it is not in his best interests to be on a team that requires him to be a competent shooter because it makes him look bad and marginalize him in a way as was obvious in the playoffs. Since people are talking about D'Angelo, it would be like expecting him to be a defensive stud. Why would he want to be on a team that expects him to be something that he is not? It makes him look bad and it is not his game. Every player has his strengths and weaknesses and it is always much easier when the team's needs and the player's strengths align.

[Arsenal]

Ben Simmons absolute refusal to shoot won't work anywhere. Even Giannis who people say can't shoot, will shoot when he's left wide open. A Giannis type system around Ben would fail unless he gets over his shooting phobia.

[NYSixersFan]

I'd take Bogdan Bojanovic for half the price of Tobias

[Black Mage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c46lva/stephen_a_smith_they_swear_up_and_down_they_want/

Not that Stephen A Smith has dubious insight, but here's something he said about the situation.

He doesn't have any insight on the Sixers. He jut loves to hate on them for their "tanking." I'd wouldn't give him any credibility. I can't recall the last time he's liked ANY move we've ever made.

[James40]

I can’t see Simmons as a problem for the other players, all he does is set them up with passes to make them look good with easy shots. They know he’s young and at that point in their careers were either any better?

[Black Mage]

Reading a lot of smoke that at least one of them is gone and now smoke that both are gone. But started to think about this and the more I did the more this seems like other teams trying to poison the well.

Teams that are in win-now and with cap space are:
Knicks x2
Nets x2
Clippers x2
Mavs
Sixers x2
Boston

Of these teams the Nets now look to be locked on KD and Kyrie. Knicks hinting they are going to punt on this season and roll it over. Clippers are in a dog fight for Kawhi. Mavs are rumored to be chasing Horford. Boston doesn't have max, but could if it renounces Rozier.

The question is, would Jimmy or Tobias take less than the max? I don't see Jimmy doing that, this is his last pay day. Maybe Tobias would consider it. So if Jimmy wants max money wherever he goes there aren't that many options. Essentially boils down to Philly, Clippers/Raptors (whoever doesn't get Kawhi), Boston or Lakers/Rockets if they can clear more space. RIght now I don't see Houston getting the space they'd need, no one wants CP3 and Goron/Tucker/Capela aren't hot names. Unless something drastically changes between now and July 1, I don't see Lakers coming up with it.

As for Tobias, the Nets were the real threat and they're look more and more unlikely. I don't see him going back to the Clippers given they already tried to low ball him once.

All that being said, it feels like if Elton comes to bat with max deals for both that they should sign here. It also seems like Elton already has an idea of what these guys want to do. He's dropped enough hints that he needs every dollar and that there was a plan to what they did in the draft. Taking him at his word, if there was a plan and part of it is dumping picks and rooks then it feels safe to say he's confident the two want to return and all these rumors seem to be getting stirred up by rivals.

Anyone else feel that way or have their own thoughts on the recent spike in rumors?

[James40]

Reading a lot of smoke that at least one of them is gone and now smoke that both are gone. But started to think about this and the more I did the more this seems like other teams trying to poison the well.

Teams that are in win-now and with cap space are:
Knicks x2
Nets x2
Clippers x2
Mavs
Sixers x2
Boston

Of these teams the Nets now look to be locked on KD and Kyrie. Knicks hinting they are going to punt on this season and roll it over. Clippers are in a dog fight for Kawhi. Mavs are rumored to be chasing Horford. Boston doesn't have max, but could if it renounces Rozier.

The question is, would Jimmy or Tobias take less than the max? I don't see Jimmy doing that, this is his last pay day. Maybe Tobias would consider it. So if Jimmy wants max money wherever he goes there aren't that many options. Essentially boils down to Philly, Clippers/Raptors (whoever doesn't get Kawhi), Boston or Lakers/Rockets if they can clear more space. RIght now I don't see Houston getting the space they'd need, no one wants CP3 and Goron/Tucker/Capela aren't hot names. Unless something drastically changes between now and July 1, I don't see Lakers coming up with it.

As for Tobias, the Nets were the real threat and they're look more and more unlikely. I don't see him going back to the Clippers given they already tried to low ball him once.

All that being said, it feels like if Elton comes to bat with max deals for both that they should sign here. It also seems like Elton already has an idea of what these guys want to do. He's dropped enough hints that he needs every dollar and that there was a plan to what they did in the draft. Taking him at his word, if there was a plan and part of it is dumping picks and rooks then it feels safe to say he's confident the two want to return and all these rumors seem to be getting stirred up by rivals.

Anyone else feel that way or have their own thoughts on the recent spike in rumors?

Anything can happen and plans change but with what Elton gave up for Tobias, a conversation between the two likely took place on the Sixers chances to resign him if he liked Philly.

Butler who knows, I can’t see them losing both, but one leaving is entirely possible, if not likely.

With Durant out for the year, the title for the first time in years is up for grabs, I wonder if that will change either of their minds?

[PhilasFinest]

Ok, so lets pretend Harris leaves and so does Jimmy Butler....

What are you (realistically) doing to retool and remain a contender in the East around Embiid/Simmons?

[Black Mage]

Ok, so lets pretend Harris leaves and so does Jimmy Butler....

What are you (realistically) doing to retool and remain a contender in the East around Embiid/Simmons?

Middleton, Brogdan, Bogdanovic, Green, Ross, Millsap, Horford, Rose.

Just some names we'd need to look into.