Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[stuporman]

If that's all it took for the foolish notion to go away I should have done it sooner....

[Buttah304]

Comparing DLo to Tim Hardaway Jr.?

Man I'm done

I don’t even want D-Lo. But even that take is utterly ridiculous. But you have to remember something. Our board for as long as I can remember has been overhyping our prospects while actively taking a dump on other teams young impact players. Again, this doesn’t mean everyone does that. But for a large majority this has been a staple of who we are.

[snadler]

Honestly don’t even think Mills and Perry view DLo as much of an upgrade over DSJ at a much cheaper price, they feel that way about Kyrie, but not about DLO

[Richard4444]

if the cap goes up so do maxes and rookie salaries. they're based on a percentage of it. if you start to let other guys go it's possible but it still doesn't seem likely.

By 2021, we will have rookie FRP 2020 and 2 Cap Holds for FRP 2021 Knicks and FRP Dallas. Besides we might lock in in a cost controlled new contract players as Ignas, Kris, Trier, Dotson, Kadeen, Kornet and Vonley to not lose them for free.

[god shammgod]

Whether some like it or not RJ Barrett is the Knicks franchise player. If you need more proof then tell me a time when a Knicks rookie ever got treated like he has been up to this point. He's basically our DWade now. The Knicks are his team and MSG is his playground

he is being hyped up to be that but he actually has to prove it now. i hope he does. if so, we'll have 3 summers after this one to build the team around him before we have to pay him. why settle for c-level talents now ?

[HEZI]

Whether some like it or not RJ Barrett is the Knicks franchise player. If you need more proof then tell me a time when a Knicks rookie ever got treated like he has been up to this point. He's basically our DWade now. The Knicks are his team and MSG is his playground

he is being hyped up to be that but he actually has to prove it now. i hope he does. if so, we'll have 3 summers after this one to build the team around him before we have to pay him. why settle for c-level talents now ?

What do you mean C-level talent? You want Kyrie but forget that all this stuff was said about him before Lebron went back. Copy-Pasted word for word.

Tell me this, who are the top under 25 PGs you would take right now over D'Angelo Russell? Dude is only 23 with lots of room still left to improve and reach truly elite level, so who are the top under 25 years of age PGs in the league right now you would have before him?

[Cookies4Life]

Getting D'Angelo would go against what Mills and Perry have been saying this offseason. Based off what they're saying- and they've been quite consistent with their position- that they won't be giving out max contracts to guys not on that top tier level of the FA class. I don't think anyone would categorize D'Angelo with the "real" max level players.

For me it goes back to a simple notion: Is Russell 4 times the player that DSJ is? He'd cost quadruple what Dennis makes, so when you look at it in that context I think it's an easy pass.

And how about the culture here, I thought that was important? Russell was a bad teammate in LA and was basically dumped to BK because of that Nick Young fiasco. Wasn't he recently busted for weed at the airport as well?

Hard pass on that guy.

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[HarthorneWingo]

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"Doubters"? Who could they ... oh wait. He must mean shammgod.

[WargamesX]

It boggles the mind that people really want to sign a player who is inefficient offensively and pathetic defensively to almost $30mil per year.....it's a Timmy move... a more expensive Timmy.

I agree..... People hear he became an all-star and think he played well..... He really didn't. He was an inefficient chucker most the season, who needed to take a ton of shots to get his points. Plus he never really synched well with Levert because Levert took away from his shot total. Also, he got his lunch eaten in the playoffs in general and looked dejected. His T/O to assit ratio was bad too. He really is a Timmy level deal. It makes a lot of sense to just let DSJr run point and if we can draft another PG to shore that part of the roster up.

The Nyets being so open with their desire to ditch him, even though he was just an Allstar should be the biggest red flag of all.....

[HarthorneWingo]

It boggles the mind that people really want to sign a player who is inefficient offensively and pathetic defensively to almost $30mil per year.....it's a Timmy move... a more expensive Timmy.

I agree..... People hear he became an all-star and think he played well..... He really didn't. He was an inefficient chucker most the season, who needed to take a ton of shots to get his points. Plus he never really synched well with Levert because Levert took away from his shot total. Also, he got his lunch eaten in the playoffs in general and looked dejected. His T/O to assit ratio was bad too. He really is a Timmy level deal. It makes a lot of sense to just let DSJr run point and if we can draft another PG to shore that part of the roster up.

The Nyets being so open with their desire to ditch him, even though he was just an Allstar should be the biggest red flag of all.....

Timmy got exposed as a no. 1 scoring option for us. He's not that guy. But he can be an excellent third option on the decent team. I think he'll also be more efficient with less usage and other scoring options on the court like Doncic and KP. His one on one defense though. Ugh. Though he does draw a lot of charges.

[dakomish23]

Some dlo stats with minimal context

DLo before LeVert went down (15 games)
16.5 PPG 3.5 RPG 5.1 APG
41% on 15.1 FGA / 39% on 6.3 3PA / 74% on 2.3 FTA

Dlo while LeVert was out (40 games)
21.0 PPG 3.8 RPG 7.0 APG 1.2 SPG
45% on 18.6 FGA / 38% on 7.6 3PA / 86% FT on 1.9 FTA

Dlo after LeVert came back (26 games)
24.0 PPG 4.4 RPG 8.0 APG 1.4 SPG
43% on 21.1 FGA / 36% on 9.2 3PA / 72% on 3.6 FTA

[dakomish23]

It boggles the mind that people really want to sign a player who is inefficient offensively and pathetic defensively to almost $30mil per year.....it's a Timmy move... a more expensive Timmy.

I agree..... People hear he became an all-star and think he played well..... He really didn't. He was an inefficient chucker most the season, who needed to take a ton of shots to get his points. Plus he never really synched well with Levert because Levert took away from his shot total. Also, he got his lunch eaten in the playoffs in general and looked dejected. His T/O to assit ratio was bad too. He really is a Timmy level deal. It makes a lot of sense to just let DSJr run point and if we can draft another PG to shore that part of the roster up.

The Nyets being so open with their desire to ditch him, even though he was just an Allstar should be the biggest red flag of all.....

Timmy got exposed as a no. 1 scoring option for us. He's not that guy. But he can be an excellent third option on the decent team. I think he'll also be more efficient with less usage and other scoring options on the court like Doncic and KP. His one on one defense though. Ugh. Though he does draw a lot of charges.

Excellent? The use of this term to describe THJ as a 3rd option does disservice to the Bill & Ted’s adventure

[HarthorneWingo]

I agree..... People hear he became an all-star and think he played well..... He really didn't. He was an inefficient chucker most the season, who needed to take a ton of shots to get his points. Plus he never really synched well with Levert because Levert took away from his shot total. Also, he got his lunch eaten in the playoffs in general and looked dejected. His T/O to assit ratio was bad too. He really is a Timmy level deal. It makes a lot of sense to just let DSJr run point and if we can draft another PG to shore that part of the roster up.

The Nyets being so open with their desire to ditch him, even though he was just an Allstar should be the biggest red flag of all.....

Timmy got exposed as a no. 1 scoring option for us. He's not that guy. But he can be an excellent third option on the decent team. I think he'll also be more efficient with less usage and other scoring options on the court like Doncic and KP. His one on one defense though. Ugh. Though he does draw a lot of charges.

Excellent? The use of this term to describe THJ as a 3rd option does disservice to the Bill & Ted’s adventure

Damn. I was like "Did I really use the term 'excellent'?" You're absolutely right. I meant "serviceable to good."

My sincerest apologies to my dudes, Winters and Reeves. Rock on!

[Richard4444]

Getting D'Angelo would go against what Mills and Perry have been saying this offseason. Based off what they're saying- and they've been quite consistent with their position- that they won't be giving out max contracts to guys not on that top tier level of the FA class. I don't think anyone would categorize D'Angelo with the "real" max level players.

For me it goes back to a simple notion: Is Russell 4 times the player that DSJ is? He'd cost quadruple what Dennis makes, so when you look at it in that context I think it's an easy pass.

And how about the culture here, I thought that was important? Russell was a bad teammate in LA and was basically dumped to BK because of that Nick Young fiasco. Wasn't he recently busted for weed at the airport as well?

Hard pass on that guy.

I heard that Knicks would not sign second level Big FIsh. I think they refer to players like Tobias, Mid, Kemba and Butler. Because they are win now players who arent good enough to lead a inexperienced team to titles and will be decline in a few years making their contracts awful. However we dont know exactly would be the Knicks strategy if they strike out. All the options have complications.

1) Postpone a Max FA signing to 2020: Downside> very few players available. Probably no one deserves a Max.

2) Postpone a MAx FA singing to 2021: Downside: Cap Holds of Frank, Dennis and 3 FRP Cap Holds and need to lock many of out players in longer term deals (only Knox, RJ and Mitch have contract past this season) might use all our cap space.

3) Bring good veteran with high QI guys to help our young core in 1 or 2 years deals. Downside> They rather play for a contender than be babysitters.

4) Renting cap space for picks. Downside> we have to wait for a rival needs cap relieve. Good deals might not come.

5) Redraft reclamation projects in short term deals: Downside> They play to show his skills to the market. Dont want to win and build chemistry. They are little experienced and not good enough to be good role players to our kids. If they archive success, we will have to fight others teams in almost equal conditions. If they fail, we loose time and harm the evolution of our players. Too much gamble.

6) Contract young players borderline stars like Russel, Brogdon and Randle. Downside: they are expensive and we have to value them for what they will be 3 years from now and their performance could regress making their contracts look bad.

[RHODEY]

It boggles the mind that people really want to sign a player who is inefficient offensively and pathetic defensively to almost $30mil per year.....it's a Timmy move... a more expensive Timmy.

I agree..... People hear he became an all-star and think he played well..... He really didn't. He was an inefficient chucker most the season, who needed to take a ton of shots to get his points. Plus he never really synched well with Levert because Levert took away from his shot total. Also, he got his lunch eaten in the playoffs in general and looked dejected. His T/O to assit ratio was bad too. He really is a Timmy level deal. It makes a lot of sense to just let DSJr run point and if we can draft another PG to shore that part of the roster up.

The Nyets being so open with their desire to ditch him, even though he was just an Allstar should be the biggest red flag of all.....

Timmy got exposed as a no. 1 scoring option for us. He's not that guy. But he can be an excellent third option on the decent team. I think he'll also be more efficient with less usage and other scoring options on the court like Doncic and KP. His one on one defense though. Ugh. Though he does draw a lot of charges.

To me the best you could hope for Timmy is an uber Sixth man type.

[Oscirus]

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That smile does not go with the quote. Shouldve picked a better picture

[Sark]

Saying someone is a franchise player just because you want him to be, doesn't mean he's actually good enough to be a franchise player. I mean Aaron Gordon is a franchise player too in this way.

[Sark]

Next big free agent class for us is probably 2023 with Embiid and Jokic, or 2024 with KAT. 2021 is unrealistic with Giannis, Paul George, and Damian Lillard (latter 2 will be 30 by then).

[Chanel Bomber]

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That smile does not go with the quote. Shouldve picked a better picture

You're talking like a mother.